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reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 09:57 PM by nightmare_david
Originally posted by LateApexer313
reply to post by nightmare_david
Yes that's the thread I spent all day on a Saturday reading, and chuckling, and didn't get out of my chair except to use the restroom....then I HAD to join ATS
That would be the one
It was the employee of area 51 thread it all started with. I still believe zx4551 and no_one817 are one in the same and others thought so also. It became real clear when zx4551 posted as if english wasn't his first language in the beginning, all kinds of spelling errors and broken english. Then in his last few posts, his spelling suddenly got a lot better and it looked like something no_one817 would've posted. If you go and look at the threads promising information and they never come back, they always mention security or something about IP blocking and a few of them had numbers in their ID's
[edit on 29-6-2008 by nightmare_david]
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 09:57 PM by GorehoundLarry
Originally posted by CommanderSinclair
reply to post by croaker013
i thought he said he'd be back in 10 hours?
how long has it been?
Honestly? It feels about 10 years the way This day has been..
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 10:15 PM by StargateSG7
reply to post by FlySolo
The very NATURE of digital photography makes it IMPOSSIBLE to
absolutely PROVE or DISPROVE the authenticity of any single photo.
In the past, I could examine film emulsions, do a gas chromatographic
analysis on the chemicals used in the development process and even do
radiographic dating on the plastics and chemicals used in order
to obtain probable places, dates and manufacturers of the films
and then match specific camera models based upon film sprocket
"teething" patterns (similar to ballistic analysis) in order
to obtain a reasonably sure opinion as to the authenticity of a photo.
Nowadays, I use software-based forensic tools that analyze
the results of specific image processing algorithms to match against
KNOWN image processing programs so that I can find out if any
Digital Signal Processing or Layer Management was completed
on a digital photo.
Since most CMOS cameras uses a Beyer image sensor pattern
to obtain RGB colour information, I can see if that Beyer
or other interleaved or parallel quadrants image sensor pattern
has been disrupted by pixel-based editing such as addition or erasure.
I can also do an image sampling analysis to see if certain
artificial numeric patterns have been injected into an image.
These usually have to do with mathematical concepts such
as Fourier transforms, inverse-squared, square-root,
and uniform numeric distributions that would NOT normally be
found within an unretouched digital photograph!
I can also match gamma-correction curves to specific camera models,
image sensors and image retouching applications and of course match
the JPEG/Wavelet/Fractal artifacting to specific VERSIONS of
individual image compression algorithms when can THEN be matched
to specific software to indicate to me which photos are fake or "Real".
I can also analyze lightwave paths and shadow falloffs to see if
they are artificial or natural (i.e. check for common logarithmic values)
HOWEVER, someone with sufficient EXPERTISE (such as ME!...or...
someone high up at the NRO - National Reconnaissance Office)
could use high end CCD (Charge Coupled Device) linear RGB colour
image sensors using uncompressed capture and using a CUSTOM pixel
processing program to FAKE an image by countering the VERY image
analysis techniques I usually use to catch the Photoshoppers.
All I can do is provide a PROFESSIONAL OPINION which
CAN STILL BE WRONG because SOMEONE MOGHT BE WILLING ENOUGH
or or has enough TIME to make that fake image good enough
to PASS even the HIGH END image analysis tools I use!
I can only give a PROBABILITY of "Real-ness" and
NOT ANY ABSOLUTE YES OR NO answer
as to the authenticity of a photo.
And to also point out, it is STILL POSSIBLE to use LIVE STAGE EFFECTS
to fake a scene ENOUGH that it requires NO DIGITAL RETOUCHING !!!
Thus the Digital Photo itself may be "Real", but the subject matter
may NOT be!
The very NATURE of digital photography makes it IMPOSSIBLE to
absolutely PROVE or DISPROVE the authenticity of any single photo.
In the past, I could examine film emulsions, do a gas chromatographic
analysis on the chemicals used in the development process and even do
radiographic dating on the plastics and chemicals used in order
to obtain probable places, dates and manufacturers of the films
and then match specific camera models based upon film sprocket
"teething" patterns (similar to ballistic analysis) in order
to obtain a reasonably sure opinion as to the authenticity of a photo.
Nowadays, I use software-based forensic tools that analyze
the results of specific image processing algorithms to match against
KNOWN image processing programs so that I can find out if any
Digital Signal Processing or Layer Management was completed
on a digital photo.
Since most CMOS cameras uses a Beyer image sensor pattern
to obtain RGB colour information, I can see if that Beyer
or other interleaved or parallel quadrants image sensor pattern
has been disrupted by pixel-based editing such as addition or erasure.
I can also do an image sampling analysis to see if certain
artificial numeric patterns have been injected into an image.
These usually have to do with mathematical concepts such
as Fourier transforms, inverse-squared, square-root,
and uniform numeric distributions that would NOT normally be
found within an unretouched digital photograph!
I can also match gamma-correction curves to specific camera models,
image sensors and image retouching applications and of course match
the JPEG/Wavelet/Fractal artifacting to specific VERSIONS of
individual image compression algorithms when can THEN be matched
to specific software to indicate to me which photos are fake or "Real".
I can also analyze lightwave paths and shadow falloffs to see if
they are artificial or natural (i.e. check for common logarithmic values)
HOWEVER, someone with sufficient EXPERTISE (such as ME!...or...
someone high up at the NRO - National Reconnaissance Office)
could use high end CCD (Charge Coupled Device) linear RGB colour
image sensors using uncompressed capture and using a CUSTOM pixel
processing program to FAKE an image by countering the VERY image
analysis techniques I usually use to catch the Photoshoppers.
All I can do is provide a PROFESSIONAL OPINION which
CAN STILL BE WRONG because SOMEONE MOGHT BE WILLING ENOUGH
or or has enough TIME to make that fake image good enough
to PASS even the HIGH END image analysis tools I use!
I can only give a PROBABILITY of "Real-ness" and
NOT ANY ABSOLUTE YES OR NO answer
as to the authenticity of a photo.
And to also point out, it is STILL POSSIBLE to use LIVE STAGE EFFECTS
to fake a scene ENOUGH that it requires NO DIGITAL RETOUCHING !!!
Thus the Digital Photo itself may be "Real", but the subject matter
may NOT be!
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 10:20 PM by FlySolo
Originally posted by nightmare_david
Says it was posted at 7:53 AM today so it's been over 10 hours for a while now.
Also, people have been saying "no wonder they didn't come back look at all the negative comments". That's a weak excuse and one that's getting old now. Stop taking everything posted on here so seriously and get upset when they don't come back. That's your own fault, not anyone else's.
As for the person above me. No reason for the insults. You admit to waiting all day yourself and decide to insult others who did the same?
[edit on 29-6-2008 by nightmare_david]
I couldn't have said it better! Seems like the ones quickly to dismiss, insult, and/or flame, really really want to see something. Otherwise, they wouldn't get upset.
If it's nothing, then it's nothing...no need to have the Big Snit
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 10:22 PM by forsakenwayfarer
reply to post by FlySolo
Personally I think it's funny everyone is so easily drawn to this thread. Flagged without even a shred of anything? Huh?
[edit on 6-29-2008 by forsakenwayfarer]
Personally I think it's funny everyone is so easily drawn to this thread. Flagged without even a shred of anything? Huh?
[edit on 6-29-2008 by forsakenwayfarer]
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 10:32 PM by Odessy
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
reply to post by FlySolo
Personally I think it's funny everyone is so easily drawn to this thread. Flagged without even a shred of anything? Huh?
lol its why I cant tell my friends I visit ATS...
they would visit the site and see this type of thread on the front page, hot news or whatever...
people, stop flagging threads that offer nothing!!!
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 10:45 PM by ethann
well here .check out my serial killer investigation while you wait and yes i know i made a mistake in the pennsylvania graffit video.
serialkillerinvestigator.blogspot.com...
serialkillerinvestigator.blogspot.com...
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