Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Interpol



Internal inhibitors are personal factors which control a person's behavior. The knowledge that it is morally wrong to sexually abuse a child or that sexual activity with a child can seriously damage the mental welfare of his victim in the future.

External inhibitors are far more basic and evolve around the fear of being caught and going to prison linked with the knowledge that their personal lifestyle would be seriously affected if it became public that they are sexually attracted to children.

Once the internal and external inhibitors have been removed, possibly by a period of stress or boredom then the peadophile moves into the cycle of offending.

Emphasis is mine. So could this pornography stop this boredom and give them release without having to go and abuse a child or view the real thing? If they recognise it's morally wrong and feel so guilty that they choose to use the fake stuff, wouldn't that show a willingness not to offend? Could this lead to a safe peadophile?

Note i wouldn't leave such a person alone with children as that's just like placing meat in front of a dog. However i'm trying to find a new way of dealing with such things and i'm also worried about censorship of fictional devices.

You talk of a slippery slope, well once you start censoring things that is a very slippery slope. As i said it's an issue i'm seriously struggling with, whist i'm leaning towards legalisation, i'm still on the fence with this issue.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
periods of stress and / or bordem hey ? hmmmm yeah let me think.

I assume drawn porn can keep them from being bored. QED.

What you assume is your business.

Edit: ImaginaryReality1984, you got there before me, and better argued. I agree with every point you make.

[edit on 29/6/08 by gekko]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I see, then you would not be in favour of making society go cold turkey from porn?

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

I see, then you would not be in favour of making society go cold turkey from porn?

Erm sorry no i think porn has it's place, whilst i'm not a fan personally (yes honestly) i think it is a useful device for some people. Some couples watch it together as well, i don't think it's right to ba such a thing that peopel enjoy when it's perfectly safe, legal and consenting.

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

Please stay on topic.

Regards.

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I mean, it would be an interesting social experiment, seeing whether or not it would have an impact on society.

Imagine all those wannabe thugs who watched too much porn - the rapists and the molesters - they have only become who they are because of the simple fact that they watched too much porn.

If you wish to contradict me in some way, which i'm sure you can, then would it not be better to simply try out my method first and see whether or not it would accomplish anything within a few decades?

reply to post by gekko


I am on topic.

I'm providing a solution.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



That in itself is fair enough and I respect that your trying to get peoples views to aid your own thoughts.

Censorship is a slippery slope, but we already have examples of this. nazi memorabillia from ww2. Its banned and prosecuted in many many countries, and yet these are harmless nazis who wouldn't do any thing they just want the gear and the helmets to wear at home behind closed doors...

I for one am a parent and I despise and loathe all people, comic books or otherwise who would see my child or any other as a sexual plaything in a drawing or other mediums.

This is one medium I am happy to see destroyed and put to the flames.

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

I see your point.

If you can show a single reliable source for your theory I would be happy to read them. I think you are talking from morals, not fact though.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
I mean, it would be an interesting social experiment, seeing whether or not it would have an impact on society.

Imagine all those wannabe thugs who watched too much porn - the rapists and the molesters - they have only become who they are because of the simple fact that they watched too much porn.

If you wish to contradict me in some way, which i'm sure you can, then would it not be better to simply try out my method first and see whether or not it would accomplish anything within a few decades?

Actually i think that would be highly destructive, it would just lead to underground porn clubs lol, and you can't control the net my friend. When some porn films in england were banned, secret cinemas opened, the police actually raided them. So no i don't think it's a good idea, whilst an interesting mental exercise not a positive change for the good.

The rapists and molestors did not become that way simply by watching to much porn, that's a very silly view. Rape is about power, usually resulting from low self esteem (at least fromt he research i read).

Molestors can offend for many reasons, watching to much porn just doesn't come into it. They may watch the porn before commiting such a crime, but that's only because they had the sexual attraction beforehand and would commit the act anytime they got the opportunity.

Remember paedophilia seems to be a sexuality, just like being gay or straight, the only difference is their sexuality if actively harmful to the children they involve. Anyone found to have commited such an act should be imprisoned, sorry but it's the only choice at the current point in time.

If however they can control their urges, and maybe use this fake, animated porn as a tool to control themselves, then i am willing to allow them to live in society, as long as they never cross that line.

reply to post by gekko


It isn't a theory.

I'm attempting to provoke action, not speculation.

We can speculate as to how to deal with this problem all day long, but there is one thing we can all agree on;

Pornography causes some people to have extremily twisted ideals, and it does this in a way that the usual media, such as television and videogames, cannot compare.

I'm not saying that every rapist or molester spent too much time watching pornography, but i have a feeling that a fair number of them did - they just aren't willing to admit that they brainwashed themselves (as if they have anything else to live for).

So, instead of cutting off the branches, i strike at the root.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Actually i think that would be highly destructive, it would just lead to underground porn clubs lol, and you can't control the net my friend. When some porn films in england were banned, secret cinemas opened, the police actually raided them. So no i don't think it's a good idea, whilst an interesting mental exercise not a positive change for the good.

Because crime is profitable.

The issue you all forget about is that one little word.

Consent.

These are adults with a sick desire to have sex with children unable to consent to their activities.

You say it will stop at comics. Interpol and other research says it doesn't in many cases.

An adult who dreams and drools over having sex with a child has a power issue / control issue in their lives.

Add to this that groups of paedophiles are highly cunning, dangerous manipulative people who seek each other out, and you really see them for what they are.

A danger to all and every child, no matter where they started out on the slope from, be it your 'comic' porn or other downloaded materials.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
So i don't think the porn will cause them to offend.

Nor the lack of it.

Think about it. Would a normal adult who enjoys looking at playboy or penthouse, suddenly start enjoying cartoons of nude women?

No.

The thing about cartoon based porn is it is a fetish. A deviation. NOT the same as someone who enjoys the real thing.

Cartoon child porn will satisfy the perverts who enjoy the cartoon child porn. The rest will still be going about their sick business as usual.

Death to them all, I say, no freedom for their perverted crap.


[edit on 6/29/2008 by bloodcircle]

reply to post by Dan Tanna


Well i respect and appreiciate your view, as i said at the start i want to hear both sides as my brain just can't seem to find a conclusion, after reading the article almost two weeks ago and then seeing it again recently after reading about the recent high profile case, i decided i had to post about it as i just coudln't figure it out.

As i said, my hope is that access to such images, which have not led to any harm to any child, will help prevent actual abuse occuring and would hopefully reduce the sharing of actual, real child pornography.

In the UK i was most distressed to see the ban of recent violent porn, again i'm not a fan of such things, but it was consenting and seemed harmless. Just because of one lone but job they banned it.

I know this legalisation of these animated images will not solve the vast problem of grown adults abusing children, but as i stated earlier, if only one child can be protected, if only one man or woman can keep their urges confined to their minds with the aid of this simulated porn. Then maybe it could be a useful tool in prevention of abuse.

Originally posted by bloodcircle

Death to them all

No need to go that far, although i do agree with the sentiment.

The desire to punish those that harm the vulnerable is not one to be ignored, it is a sign of our moral righteousness.

It's important not to turn that moral righteousness into something completely different, though - something like... oh, i don't know?

Impersonal Revenge?

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Well everybody else is covering the moral delema here so I am going to take another angle... If you ask me any decent lawyer representing you would get you cleared of any charges in about 5 minutes... The fact of the matter is that if these "children" do not exist, they do not have a birth date, and they cannot be classified as human! Hell give them an extra toe and say they are another species that closely resemble earth humans but because their race never ate a bite of a forbidden apple in a secluded garden their bodies don't age in the same way ours do! This point is kinda mute because technically I don't think they could even make this illegal if they tried! Once you cross between the realm of reality and fiction it is difficult to maintain law and order if you know what i mean!

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


BAN IT ALL...

I think the military should put their brainwashing equipment to good use and re-program these pedo's to think and act normal.

Then again who is to say they weren't already brainwashed to think and act that way in the first place.

Either way all kiddie porn should be

BANNED
BANNED
BANNED...

[edit on 29-6-2008 by Alien_Question]

One final point;

I mentioned that moral righteousness was good in that it was applied to those who would seek to take advantage of the vulnerable people in society.

I'll now draw the comparision between being 'vulnerable' and 'invulnerable' - in that all humans are vulnerable before the eyes of one seeking to make use of their flesh.

Originally posted by spearhead
pedophiles are bad. and anything that would fuel or allow their satisfaction should be burned.
i believe all sex offenders or repeat offenders anyway, pedophiles or not, should be chemically castrated or shot like dogs.

animated porn will fuel that need for gratification and therefore fuel the crime it gives birth too.


die you dogs, DIE.


[edit on 29-6-2008 by spearhead]



[edit on 29-6-2008 by spearhead]

and the people that order bombs dropped on civilians that include children, that is what...just THE GREY AREA OF WAR? and those children in africa that starve to death in a slow and painful way...they are what?...ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED? outrage over children being "screwed" over should at least be consistant.