Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:59 AM
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Ever notice alot of these pedos are weasel hobo looking people that are nobodies? I have yet to see the ones that ship kids off in droves to Saudi Arabia and foreign countries be exposed legitimately. You say...how could the rich and powerful be undetected and hide such a thing. Most folks still believe 911 was done by Islamic fascists right? The closest they can get to being a 911 truther is they believe there was a simple break down in our intelligence community being alerted and acting to prevent the threat. But thats about as far as they can get in their cognitions despite the overwhelming evidence pointing to something much more sinister. Thats how they hide it. Media conditioning and bombardement.

I believe alot of this hype on MSNBC, Nancy Grace and Fox is merely a mind control operation to divert you away from the real culprits that sit on thrones of power. Notice all the priest and vatican child sex scandals have somewhat dropped under the radar and at best become merely under the breath jokes about the subject.

[edit on 6/29/2008 by prometheus1111]




posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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Sorry but that has nothing to do with the issue now does it, i'm sure there are many highly powerful people who are paedophiles, however he point of this thread was about animated child porn and whether it should be legalised. I'd rather the thread stay on track.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:11 AM
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to the op, yes this is a very conflicting issue, its hard to grasp that we even contemplate making this ok, yet as you said if it saves one childs life is it worth it?

....my problem is what if after 6 months, the 'alternative' isnt giving them want they 'need' anymore? they will go back to real child porn, so essentially i think this is just fueling the fire, its keeping the fantasy going for them, and that is not the answer..

....my other problem is will this animated porn be more graphic? more sick? with it not classed as abuse, there are no limitations on what they create?...

sorry but ive said it before and its still what i believe, all convicted paedaphiles need their
s chopping off, or rounded up and put on a deserted (sinking) island, preferably both...



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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I understand what you're saying and to a certain extent agree. However, you must understand, that your logic could also apply to THIS website, movies, radio, and everything you see on TV. It's merely entertainment - doing stuff for real is totally different.

That being said, people may find it so entertaining that they find it OK and perhaps try it for themselves. So yes, ban it to prevent actual abuse, however, it is not actually harming anyone, so perhaps make it not an imprisonable offence, much like Cannabis use.


In my opinion, although not a depiction of reality (at all), porn should be legal because it usually portrays two adults in a consenting environment therefore, even if people are stupid enough to pretend it's completely real, they won't be harming anyone, & if they do, it was there and someone else who BOTH agreed to do 'it'. And that's the funedmental difference.

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I don't think that's an expression of reality.. i.e. Art, just entertainment?


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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicstorm
....my other problem is will this animated porn be more graphic? more sick? with it not classed as abuse, there are no limitations on what they create?...



Hi CS, have you seen some of these anime cartoons? I go to the comic con each year and this stuff is legal. it's already graphic. not just child abuse, but people getting shot and cut in half, etc.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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In one word - NO.

Not only should it be banned and rightly so, but those in possession of it and the manfacturing should be hunted down and exterminated.

Three things are known about paedophiles. 1) They are a danger to children full stop. 2) Exposure to mild forms of pornographic materials leads to the search of 'harder and harder' materials. This is true of all paedophiles. The 'soft' stuff becomes less and less able to arouse. 3) Once a paedophile finds like minded people, the crime and assault rate shoots through the roof.

A single paedophile on their own is a huge danger. A pack of these animals are a deadly threat to children as they 'egg' each other on.

Any and all forms of child related pornography should be hunted down and prosecuted in the strongest possible way. All users and abusers should recieve maximum penalties under the law.

Rememebr operation Ore here in the UK ? The amount of police Officers and politicians on that list soon meant it was hushed up in british newspapers. Evil, its pure evil.

Keep it banned, keep paedophiles afraid, and when locked up keep them in general population.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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OP is suggesting a means for society to go forward.

I will not hesitate to support his agenda, even if it is somewhat reckless.

Still, i'd be more in favour of dumping pornography in general...



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Lets try keep our heads cool. Strong emotions and Justice doesn't mix.

We all abhor children abuse, this is a non issue in the thread. We are not talking about real abuse.

We are discussing sick people who go trough their lives, having these sick urges, but never acts on them. That actually deserves a little respect.

I have never seen any evidence suggesting films (cartoons or otherwise) can make anyone do something they wouldn't have done anyway. Anything that can help them stay off real children and real CP is fine with me.

Anyone suggesting that a person should be castrated or killed for looking at a drawing needs locking up themselves. Permanently.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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My god, you all are to the point of pontificating over whether a destructive abomination that harms the innocent in another form should be illegal or legal. I am well on topic my friend. Listen to yourselves for godsakes



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by gekko
Anyone suggesting that a person should be castrated or killed for looking at a drawing needs locking up themselves. Permanently.



good point. we are not talking about REAL porn people. Now, lets say you take away these cartoons from them, what's to say they are not going to pick up a pen and draw them themselves? what will we do now? the point is, art is art. some guy drew this on a computer or by hand.


and shouldn't we stop worrying about what people draw? and worry more about hunger, aids and helping the homeless?


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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by gekko

We are discussing sick people who go trough their lives, having these sick urges, but never acts on them. That actually deserves a little respect.


Erm, no it doesn't.

Everyone has a problem of some description, so there is no need to elevate one person's problems over another's.

Unless you believe in the saying "Judge a man by his enemies", which in this instance would mean that the man's enemy was his sick urges.

Which i believe, would mean that the man stood to be judged rather harshly.

But i am not one to peddle in such affairs to do with law and morality (the two are conflicting, one learns), instead i'm more willing to strive for progress instead of saying "Oh, this guy shouldn't be sentenced to death" or "He shouldn't be sent to jail".

NO ONE WANTS TO SEND ANYONE TO JAIL.

You'd be better off spending your time coming up with a solution to the problem, or at least understanding the cause, than trying to stop something that is already in motion.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:34 AM
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If you wanna act like an animal youll be treated as such. off with your nuts...but you can keep your life...lucky

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Exactly how is looking at a drawing "acting like an animal"?




Really, I'm curious.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by prometheus1111

My god, you all are to the point of pontificating over whether a destructive abomination that harms the innocent in another form should be illegal or legal. I am well on topic my friend. Listen to yourselves for godsakes


Hold on there a second and read back, i am not saying legalise child abuse, i am not saying legalise real child ponrography. Anyone found in possestion f the real thing should be detained, for the entirety of their life, no chance for parole.

The people who would choose to use the animated stuff are ina way trying to control their urges, which is why i'm leaning towards the idea this might be something to help prevent child abuse and the viewing of real child abuse pornography. As i said if it saves once child then i am inclined to support it.

This would not harm the innocent as it doesn't contain any real human beings, and that is the conflicting issue for me. A grander issue would be censorship in general i suppose, jedimiller makes a good case as to that.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by daemonicsoul
If you wanna act like an animal youll be treated as such. off with your nuts...but you can keep your life...lucky

[edit on 29-6-2008 by daemonicsoul]


And you think such a punishment isn't animalistic, you right now are using your animal brain, the instinctual part. My instinct is the same as yours, although i'd prefer sentenced to life in prison. If i had to deal with such people i am pretty sure i would be unable to keep my cool.

However i am talking about the paedophiles who try to control their urges through pornography. It's long been held as true that viewing "normal" pornography helps satiate the lust many people feel, that's why it's so popular. If they can contain that lust, through the use of images that are victimless because they are animated, then they should not be imprisoned. Whit i find the idea absoutely sickening, we cannot punish for thought crime.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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While extremely disturbing to a normal person, no child was harmed in the making of said picture. If, on the other hand, said picture was shown to a child, I think the regard changes drasticly. (No one should be showing ANY porn to children.)

Don't answer this question but how many people do you know that have a history of taking sexual advantage of a minor?

Almost 100% of females are sexually assaulted before they turn 18 by a male at least 2 years older then them.

In to many cases, the female consented but listen, if a 12 year old girl says yes to a 30 year old man, it's still sexual abuse of a minor.

The first time I had access to porn, I was younger then 5. That was in the early 1970s. Today, a 5 year old can go to google, type in "insert dirty word here", and presto-10 billion naked images for your child's viewing pleasure.

The powers involved for making the internet function could easily require all pornography to be at a xxx.(website name here).com domain, making it simple for parents to lock out xxx.*.* access. That would be a start.

But you have certain clothing companies that think it's okay to make thong underware for pre-puberty girls. It takes a number of people to take such a product from concept to sales rack.

The fact is, many, many people are willing to line up in an effort to exploit minors in any sexual way they can.

Watch just about any Disney movie and notice some of the "subtle" language used that is USUALLY over a child's head, but an adult will understand the hidden message.

Why is Disney putting overtly subtle messages in it's films?

Again, people will line up in mass to sexually exploit children.

In the olden days, 20 year old men married 13 year old girls because everybody was usually dead before they hit 30.

Thankfully, advances have been made so that we can lighten up on the marry to survive mentality.

However, many are slow to board the train that takes them to a world that frowns on taking sexual advantage of a child.

Heck, look up the CONVICTED predators living in your neighborhood. Remember, those are just your neighbors that got turned in.

How many times did you speed or run a red light before you finally got a ticket? And how many tickets did you have to get before you finally got one that would not be dismissed with defensive driving?

Apply those same numbers to convicted child abusers. Of the small percentage that get caught, most (and I do mean most) investigations are terminated due to a lack of evidence or because the statue of limitations has expired.

Now you have an idea of how many adults are in your neighborhood that would like to hop in the sack with your little girl. Or your little boy.

If you can walk past three houses in your neighborhood and not one of those houses has someone in that that wants to take advantage of a child, it's because at least one of those houses is vacant.

Now, consider all the people that have those impulses and can control them enough not to act on them. Now how many houses can you walk by?

The law will always be soft on child abuse. Now you know why.

My best guess is that 1 out of 3 men would love to see your little girl naked if they thought they could get away with it.

On that note, have a great day!



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The people who would choose to use the animated stuff are ina way trying to control their urges, which is why i'm leaning towards the idea this might be something to help prevent child abuse and the viewing of real child abuse pornography. As i said if it saves once child then i am inclined to support it.



Really?

I don't think it has anything to do with controlling their urges, they just lack the confidence or moral corruption to go out and rape a child (which is good.).

By masturbating over an image of any description, one is essentially getting one's body used to the idea of having sex, this is undeniable.

As such, every single computer user on this planet is at risk of falling susceptible to watching child pornography, animated or otherwise, because of the simple fact that most people use the internet for porn - and child pornography exists on the internet so therefore it is available to those willing to seek it out.

It's up to the individual as to whether or not he (or she) enjoys it.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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What is flawed is the system and the individual. The system is flawed for letting there be loopholes of any kind, that would allow the fantasizing of it within cartoons instead of real images. If the answer is no, then NONE. If the answer is yes, then ALL. In the end the individual is the one that makes the judgment and middle ground just as it always will be regardless of who is making the law. Just because your in prison, doesn't mean the thoughts will stop. Of course if they make that known, they wouldn't live very long. The man/woman bears the burden of there own lust. If laws were enforced and not just when a quota needs to be filled then we would be getting somewhere, but our legal system says one thing then does another. The individual, mind you, WAS/IS in some form molested as a child themselves and if it was before 7 years of age, studies show they are imprinted for life. If you are against pedophilia, then how can you be torn? Eradicate it forever. Make the law swift, then follow through on judgment. No exceptions. The link thing is entrapment. When I was a kid I used to look at the JCPENNY catalog and national geographic, when I started to become interested. Just because they were warring underwear didn't stop my imagination form going further...just as an example. Feed the fire it will burn, with anything combustible, cartoons or not. It's like asking a smoker who just quit if he'd like to join you, but it's cool cause you've got "lights"....A smoke is a smoke. One drag...hooked right back again. Make a long story short. Destroy the material and make no excuses for it. The pedo will still be a pedo, as was said before, "they were that before they even knew it", and they need help as our brothers and sisters. They are hurt way down at the beginning and have probably hated themselves most of there lives. So pointing 1 finger at them leaves 4 more back at you. They are sick and dying from this and desperately need friendship to help them see that what happened to them was wrong. Begin at start. It's like the war on drugs. Tell us not to, then supply the whole economy with it. It's all a spin, to bring the money in and money don't care who you are what age, what sex, just get in the car and drive....far peace



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:48 AM
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Interpol




In general predatory child sex offenders tend to be male, less than average intelligent and are incapable of undertaking any prolonged period of grooming. They generally fit into a stereotypical offender profile, living alone or with a parent, unemployed or in low paid work and unable to form adult relationships.

Their cycle of offending is also typical and begins with the basic attraction and sexual arousal by thoughts of children. Such a person will typically be in possession of either child erotica or child pornography with which he will fantasize and masturbate. At this stage he can certainly be described as, and fits the definition of, a paedophile. However, other than possessing child pornography, which is not an offence in many countries, he does not commit any offences. The reason why this type of person does not proceed beyond this stage is as a result of internal and external inhibitors or both.

Internal inhibitors are personal factors which control a person's behavior. The knowledge that it is morally wrong to sexually abuse a child or that sexual activity with a child can seriously damage the mental welfare of his victim in the future.

External inhibitors are far more basic and evolve around the fear of being caught and going to prison linked with the knowledge that their personal lifestyle would be seriously affected if it became public that they are sexually attracted to children.

Once the internal and external inhibitors have been removed, possibly by a period of stress or boredom then the peadophile moves into the cycle of offending.



periods of stress and / or bordem hey ? hmmmm yeah let me think. Do I as a parent want some lonely criminal / stressed criminal around my child because having a few child porn comics isn't harmful or do i want them prosecuted and removed from my village ? . . . .

There should be no hiding place that is safe, no quarter given to any paedophile of any type. The moment you start on a slippy slope is two heart beats before you reach the bottom on your arse and you hurt alot of people on the way down.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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You are correct in saying you are getting your body ready for sex, however their bodies are already for sex as they are adults, their minds, if they are already viewing this sort of material are well into the fantasy. If they switched from real child pornography to this fake, animated stuff then my hope is it would lead to less of the real kind being shared and hopefully less children being abused.

We are again not talking about people who have already commited the physical act itself, these people are in my humble view, beyond rehabilitation at this time.





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