Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
 


ok yes i would support it if it saved one child. once that child has been saved i would use it to create an international pedo list. i would then send SS bad guys to shoot them up with a cock killing agent. rendering their penis' useless.

once all the pedos are dead or no longer able to gain satisfaction i would ban it.




posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:41 AM
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I worked with them every day at the U.S.D.B and let me tell you there is no going back for most of them, there are those that have been successful in rehabilitation and lead normal lives but for a vast majority there is no help. Imo

Now the question is how to find the ones that we can help.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by SPC_D
In the military I have found this saying helpful if you have to ask your self should I be doing this or looking at this the answer is no.


I wasn't saying i was looking at it! No no please i was saying i read the article in BBC news and couldn't decide if it's ok to allow it. Don't be confusing me with a user of such material!


Originally posted by SPC_D
so can it save children I believe the answer is yes however can it harm them the answer is most deff yes so once more I got to say it should be banned my 2 cents


I'm confused, you say it can save children then you say it can harm them. I'm not sure how this could harm them as it doesn't involve a child, and any paedophie who harms a child was going to do so anyway, porn won't encourage them. This porn could prevent real abuse, if that's true then would leaving it as being legal and promoting that fact be a useful took against the abuse of children?



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:44 AM
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Ok listen i share your hatred of paedophiles, i honestly do, however you're talking only from the emotional standpoint and not trying to see the big picture.

Firstly it's been shown that chemically castrated animals and humans will go into violence out of frustration. Stories of chemically castrated paedophiles using inanimate objects to harm children are quite common, be careful what you wish for.

As for killing them, well that's another thread about punishment, here i'm trying o talk about possible prevention. If you monitored it as you suggest then the paedophiles wouldn't download it, they'd stick to the real stuff and that is what i want to stop.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:51 AM
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First let me apologies to you maginaryReality1984 I did not mean to imply that you were looking at it, I had miss spoke so to speak I will be more mindful in the future how I word my posts.

I must be clearer in the future. These people use this porn to teach there children how to have sex with them. I have seen it first hand in many case files. That is how it can harm a child and now I know you will say D what about normal porn they could use that should normal porn be illegal? And to which I say no and a child can identify with someone there own age well if that cartoon is doing it and it looks fun I should do it. I mean how many times you pretended to be gi goe or emulate any cartoon you grew up with.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by OrangeAlarmClock
Allowed I think.

Pedo's are going to get their rocks off somehow, you can't stop them all. I'd rather have them watching computer generated child porn instead of real child porn, or worse, have them out raping/molesting kids.




[edit on 29-6-2008 by OrangeAlarmClock]


Based on my experience with addictive and compulsive individuals, I'd venture to guess that eventually they won't be able to "get off" from just that though . .

eventually they'll need the real thing . . .

then extreme and twisted forms of the real thing . . .




posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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ive' seen japanase animation that will blow your head away. In them, we see rape, killing, someone shooting a head off and drinking their blood. the point? these are not real people, it's art. Anime, hentai etc. is fantasy. You guys need to see the differences.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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I have the entire bible black saga and I know the difference. But is it the same to see a 21 year old raped by a tentacle or to see an 8 year old raped by a full grown adult.

We know the tentacle situation cant/wont happen
But the 8 year old situation happens every day in this world.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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Erm i wasn't much into cartoons, science books really lo, however the point you make is a very good one. I know paedophiles use porn to teach children about sex, i've read the reports. Having a cartoon showing a child enjoying it could be very harmful. Whether there would be a major difference between being shown a real child and a fake one is hard to say.

What i will say is the paedophiles who are commiting the acts will do so anyway, i was aiming this more at the ones who view the porn but don't get around to commiting the acts. Whit some may think this creature doesn't exist, from the figures it seems they're the most common type of paedophile. At least in the UK.

Arrests of actual abusers are below porn viewers. Of course these figures could be skewed due to the hyper secretive nature of actual abusers.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
ive' seen japanase animation that will blow your head away. In them, we see rape, killing, someone shooting a head off and drinking their blood. the point? these are not real people, it's art. Anime, hentai etc. is fantasy. You guys need to see the differences.


I think most of us can discern the difference from reality, but the problem is there are some people that can't.

For that matter, any type of pornography should be banned imo. Teenagers watch (regular porn) now and think it's normal for guys to go around with 12 inch penises and they think that is how you are supposed to have sex how they do it in porn movies.

People don't understand that stuff like this is fantasy, and not reality. It's why we watch any type of porn to begin with. I mean if porn of any type wasn't fantasy and was reality, why watch it to begin with? We would already be living it, no point of watching it. Do you see what I'm saying?


My ex-gf was one case that I can relate to. She was a virgin (never been with another guy before at all) but had watched a lot of porn. She thought it was normal for guys to have huge penises (and didn't realize that porn actors are casted BECAUSE they have huge penises). When me and her had sex for the first time she looked down and said "why is it so small" despite mine being perfectly normal sized at 6 inches. Needless to say that was quite humiliating, and she never quite understood that porn is fantasy and not reality. Needless to say our relationship didn't last long, and she grew disatisifed with my "small" size. She left me to chase other men who she thought would be more normal. Too bad no one can tell the poor girl she's only going to find that guy with the 12" phallus if she dates male porn stars. It's fantasy, and not reality.

I know most of you probably didn't need to know that graphic personal experience of mine, but the point I'm trying to illustrate is that a lot of people have the trouble discerning fantasy from reality.

They think if it's on TV, or on the Computer, or anywhere else, it must be true or normal. This is a HUGE problem.

This ties in with pedophilia because now you have pedophiles that look at child porn on the computer but can't discern fantasy from reality. So instead of just looking at photos, now they go out and molest kids and hurt people.








[edit on 29-6-2008 by OrangeAlarmClock]



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:03 AM
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hentai is life come to art. As you know, japanese people communicate their thoughts thru this art. And perhaps it's a way to say, "Hey, look we treat our girls like crap, beat them up and rape them", because that happens over there in real life. It's life as it happens transformed into a cartoon. What they do is wrong, totally wrong. But I think that they have a reason to express themselves, maybe guilt? Anime has always been very sexual and note that the females in them have large breasts, something that real asian woman don't have. saying that, in hentai, anime we see people killing people with guns which for me is worse than seeing a girl in underpants. Cartoons are not reality!



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:04 AM
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I agree it is hard to catch these people because they are so secretive, they congregate on messege boards and the like and it is hard to track them.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:04 AM
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Double post sorry

[edit on 29-6-2008 by SPC_D]



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:09 AM
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Agreed they are not reality, however this is a very sensitive case, the cartoons portray children in a sexual manner, from the sound of it very young children. Also the article seems to suggest some of it isn't cartooney in the anime sense but realistic artist drawings. These woudln't involve children either but would look very life like, i'm sure you've seen computer renderings made to look like real people, eve some ATS avatars are like that.

I mean they're realistic people not child porn of course, however i'm including all of the animated stuff under the same heading, not just the anime stuff. Sorry if i wasn't more clear.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:12 AM
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I say keep it illegal, but non-imprisonable offence. This would put it in a similar position to cannabis usage.

Even though it seems illogical to have such a position, it accomplishes two main things:

1. Giving the message that such behaviour is undesirable and not fit for civilized society.

2. Not imprisoning what is basically a victimless crime (seeing as its animation). Keeps prison costs down, doesnt punish what is essentially a "thought crime".

Plus putting such a law on the books means that you will have an expansive sex offenders register, which you can use to keep paedos away from schools or other jobs with young people.

Legalisation of such porn would send a bad message: that such behaviour is OK, when we all know that it really isnt. Furthermore there would be no track or bolstering of the sex offenders register.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:14 AM
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The government is looking o make it illegal, the problem i have with that is someone imprisoned for the crime, and housed with other paedophiles may just think "Well to hell with it, i'm already on the register, may as well commit the act for real". That to me is a very real concern.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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You guys are missing my point. Anime is an art. I'm not saying what they show in them is right. but in reality, that's not illegal in the cartoon. what is illegal in real life is not illegal in Anime.


examples.

Murder- we see it in Anime all the time. it's wrong in the real world, why is it allowed in the cartoon? should it be removed?

Rape- we see it in anime all the time. it's wrong in the real world. Again, why is it ok to have it in the cartoon?

child porn- it's wrong in the real world. but it is allowed in the cartoon? why, because all the other things are allowed.

if you are to take Child porn away from the anime cartoon because it's illegal in the real world, then you have to take away all the other things that are illegal in the real world too. Hope this makes sense.

Anime can have flying monkeys, giant robots, man with no heads, zombies, children with tenticles, whatever you want it to have. should it be banned? no. and if it is, ban all the other atrocities in them. like shooting someone on the head.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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Yes another excellent point, whilst i wanted to address this from the angle of discouraging paedophiles from using real child porn to using this fake stuff, you make a good point. However you have to understand the current situation in the UK, recently violent pornography was banned. Whilst that was involving real people i think they also banned the cartoon versions.

It seems censors are everywhere, for this issue it's even more sensitive as no one wants to see a child hurt, even if that child is a cartoon. Whilst that makes no sense it is a strong view. I myself don't hold that view, it isn't a real child and so that isn't an issue for me.

The issue is just the idea of a person getting off on something so awful in regards to the real crime. However if it prevents the abuse of a real child then i'd have to support it.

As i said i'm conflicted and i'm loking forward to mroe replies to try and fix a position for myself.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The issue is just the idea of a person getting off on something so awful in regards to the real crime. However if it prevents the abuse of a real child then i'd have to support it.



but I go back to my argument. what about the people who get off seeing people get shot and bleed in Anime? or get their heads cut off by large swords? does taking them away prevent these crimes? All adult anime has criminal activity all over the place. you are saying that because they see it in a cartoon they will do it in real life? I don't think so. if that was the case we'd have Anime fans doing crazy things like jumping off spaceships and building large robots with nukes.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
but I go back to my argument. what about the people who get off seeing people get shot and bleed in Anime? or get their heads cut off by large swords? does taking them away prevent these crimes? All adult anime has criminal activity all over the place. you are saying that because they see it in a cartoon they will do it in real life? I don't think so. if that was the case we'd have Anime fans doing crazy things like jumping off spaceships and building large robots with nukes.


I have never once said i think they'll do it because thy've seen the anime, if you read my posts you'll find i said the exact opposite, please don't misquote me. I have said over and over that people who commit the acts would do so whether hey had the porn or not.

My hope is that allowing this porn would mean paedophiles would stop using the real stuff, at least some of them and this may lead to a reduction in actual abuse if they have nowhere to share it anymore. Also people who don't have access to porn have been said to be more liable to commit the crime as they have no release, so allowing this simulated porn could be the solution, no child gets hurt.

It's a naieve hope i'm sure but we've tried everything else and the more responses i see on this thread the more i htink we should allow this porn into existence, making it a non arrestable offense to posses. Real child porn however should be dealt with seriously, life in prison for that.





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