Originally posted by SPC_D
In the military I have found this saying helpful if you have to ask your self should I be doing this or looking at this the answer is no.

I wasn't saying i was looking at it! No no please i was saying i read the article in BBC news and couldn't decide if it's ok to allow it. Don't be confusing me with a user of such material!

Originally posted by SPC_D
so can it save children I believe the answer is yes however can it harm them the answer is most deff yes so once more I got to say it should be banned my 2 cents

I'm confused, you say it can save children then you say it can harm them. I'm not sure how this could harm them as it doesn't involve a child, and any paedophie who harms a child was going to do so anyway, porn won't encourage them. This porn could prevent real abuse, if that's true then would leaving it as being legal and promoting that fact be a useful took against the abuse of children?

Originally posted by OrangeAlarmClock
Allowed I think.

Pedo's are going to get their rocks off somehow, you can't stop them all. I'd rather have them watching computer generated child porn instead of real child porn, or worse, have them out raping/molesting kids.




[edit on 29-6-2008 by OrangeAlarmClock]

Based on my experience with addictive and compulsive individuals, I'd venture to guess that eventually they won't be able to "get off" from just that though . .

eventually they'll need the real thing . . .

then extreme and twisted forms of the real thing . . .

ive' seen japanase animation that will blow your head away. In them, we see rape, killing, someone shooting a head off and drinking their blood. the point? these are not real people, it's art. Anime, hentai etc. is fantasy. You guys need to see the differences.

Originally posted by jedimiller
ive' seen japanase animation that will blow your head away. In them, we see rape, killing, someone shooting a head off and drinking their blood. the point? these are not real people, it's art. Anime, hentai etc. is fantasy. You guys need to see the differences.

I think most of us can discern the difference from reality, but the problem is there are some people that can't.

For that matter, any type of pornography should be banned imo. Teenagers watch (regular porn) now and think it's normal for guys to go around with 12 inch penises and they think that is how you are supposed to have sex how they do it in porn movies.

People don't understand that stuff like this is fantasy, and not reality. It's why we watch any type of porn to begin with. I mean if porn of any type wasn't fantasy and was reality, why watch it to begin with? We would already be living it, no point of watching it. Do you see what I'm saying?


My ex-gf was one case that I can relate to. She was a virgin (never been with another guy before at all) but had watched a lot of porn. She thought it was normal for guys to have huge penises (and didn't realize that porn actors are casted BECAUSE they have huge penises). When me and her had sex for the first time she looked down and said "why is it so small" despite mine being perfectly normal sized at 6 inches. Needless to say that was quite humiliating, and she never quite understood that porn is fantasy and not reality. Needless to say our relationship didn't last long, and she grew disatisifed with my "small" size. She left me to chase other men who she thought would be more normal. Too bad no one can tell the poor girl she's only going to find that guy with the 12" phallus if she dates male porn stars. It's fantasy, and not reality.

I know most of you probably didn't need to know that graphic personal experience of mine, but the point I'm trying to illustrate is that a lot of people have the trouble discerning fantasy from reality.

They think if it's on TV, or on the Computer, or anywhere else, it must be true or normal. This is a HUGE problem.

This ties in with pedophilia because now you have pedophiles that look at child porn on the computer but can't discern fantasy from reality. So instead of just looking at photos, now they go out and molest kids and hurt people.








[edit on 29-6-2008 by OrangeAlarmClock]

hentai is life come to art. As you know, japanese people communicate their thoughts thru this art. And perhaps it's a way to say, "Hey, look we treat our girls like crap, beat them up and rape them", because that happens over there in real life. It's life as it happens transformed into a cartoon. What they do is wrong, totally wrong. But I think that they have a reason to express themselves, maybe guilt? Anime has always been very sexual and note that the females in them have large breasts, something that real asian woman don't have. saying that, in hentai, anime we see people killing people with guns which for me is worse than seeing a girl in underpants. Cartoons are not reality!

Double post sorry

[edit on 29-6-2008 by SPC_D]

I say keep it illegal, but non-imprisonable offence. This would put it in a similar position to cannabis usage.

Even though it seems illogical to have such a position, it accomplishes two main things:

1. Giving the message that such behaviour is undesirable and not fit for civilized society.

2. Not imprisoning what is basically a victimless crime (seeing as its animation). Keeps prison costs down, doesnt punish what is essentially a "thought crime".

Plus putting such a law on the books means that you will have an expansive sex offenders register, which you can use to keep paedos away from schools or other jobs with young people.

Legalisation of such porn would send a bad message: that such behaviour is OK, when we all know that it really isnt. Furthermore there would be no track or bolstering of the sex offenders register.

You guys are missing my point. Anime is an art. I'm not saying what they show in them is right. but in reality, that's not illegal in the cartoon. what is illegal in real life is not illegal in Anime.


examples.

Murder- we see it in Anime all the time. it's wrong in the real world, why is it allowed in the cartoon? should it be removed?

Rape- we see it in anime all the time. it's wrong in the real world. Again, why is it ok to have it in the cartoon?

child porn- it's wrong in the real world. but it is allowed in the cartoon? why, because all the other things are allowed.

if you are to take Child porn away from the anime cartoon because it's illegal in the real world, then you have to take away all the other things that are illegal in the real world too. Hope this makes sense.

Anime can have flying monkeys, giant robots, man with no heads, zombies, children with tenticles, whatever you want it to have. should it be banned? no. and if it is, ban all the other atrocities in them. like shooting someone on the head.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The issue is just the idea of a person getting off on something so awful in regards to the real crime. However if it prevents the abuse of a real child then i'd have to support it.

but I go back to my argument. what about the people who get off seeing people get shot and bleed in Anime? or get their heads cut off by large swords? does taking them away prevent these crimes? All adult anime has criminal activity all over the place. you are saying that because they see it in a cartoon they will do it in real life? I don't think so. if that was the case we'd have Anime fans doing crazy things like jumping off spaceships and building large robots with nukes.

Originally posted by jedimiller
but I go back to my argument. what about the people who get off seeing people get shot and bleed in Anime? or get their heads cut off by large swords? does taking them away prevent these crimes? All adult anime has criminal activity all over the place. you are saying that because they see it in a cartoon they will do it in real life? I don't think so. if that was the case we'd have Anime fans doing crazy things like jumping off spaceships and building large robots with nukes.

I have never once said i think they'll do it because thy've seen the anime, if you read my posts you'll find i said the exact opposite, please don't misquote me. I have said over and over that people who commit the acts would do so whether hey had the porn or not.

My hope is that allowing this porn would mean paedophiles would stop using the real stuff, at least some of them and this may lead to a reduction in actual abuse if they have nowhere to share it anymore. Also people who don't have access to porn have been said to be more liable to commit the crime as they have no release, so allowing this simulated porn could be the solution, no child gets hurt.

It's a naieve hope i'm sure but we've tried everything else and the more responses i see on this thread the more i htink we should allow this porn into existence, making it a non arrestable offense to posses. Real child porn however should be dealt with seriously, life in prison for that.