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Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Yes pornography has proven beneficial in many countries. Unlike the violence in the U.S.. We kind of have it the opposite to other countries. Others have large porn exposure while the U.S. has more violence exposure.

Anyway, Ive kind of done my own study on the subject a while ago. Dont take that the wrong way. I found out about a few groups of pedophiles and took quick offense to their very existence. I discovered though that not all pedos can be put in the same category nor should they all be hated for the way they are. Some pedophiles seemed to have been born the way they are. I think that there brain may confuse the same impulses that some have toward young children and cute little animals as sexual attraction.

Others are more simple and see young female characteristics more attractive then older women, viewing women of their age as worn out and old. Some I think view their younger lives as wasted and are trying to make up for what they never had. These kind Ive found to have had very few to no female partners or friends when they were younger.

Although fake child pornography may be able to help these types of pedophiles, there is a group that is created and influenced by child pornography that may lead to later crimes. It has been shown in the past that some men who are exposed to young naked photos of children will sometimes have no symptoms of interest until the incident. They are almost like sleeping agents that are only activated when exposed. Ive seen some people online go from criticizing and verbally attacking pedophiles to asking for photos of naked children.

I will admit that I have in fact seen illegal pictures online, not intentionally of coarse. I would point out the website from which this happened, but part of the one hundred rules of the Internet says to never talk about the particular site(hint). I was luckily not influenced, but i noticed an instant increase of demand and people against it change their mind.

Would false child pornography be a good thing or a bad thing? I think further study is needed. Perhaps testing on thousands of convicted pedophiles and a group of non-pedophiles would ultimately decide for certain, but I am absolutely positive that no one should ever be convicted for owning fake child pornography. This becomes no longer about the person who has the problem and more about the people who have an ignorant and almost irrational hatred of the topic.




posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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This becomes no longer about the person who has the problem and more about the people who have an ignorant and almost irrational hatred of the topic.


Could you explain this to me a bit more please?



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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So if I understand correctly, the story infers that your father or friends of your father murdered someone for a perceived crime that may or may not have been committed upon someone... and an innocent man may be dead now because your father's convictions about pedophiles were so strong that it justified murder and the taking of another man's life.

That is what I got from your story. FWIW, I'm frankly horrified.

Do you think perhaps that your parents responses to the situation fundamentally altered your own responses to pedophilia?

Also, you need to use "CHILD RAPIST", not Pedophile. Pedophiles have done nothing wrong and deserve just as much protection as you do.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn
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This becomes no longer about the person who has the problem and more about the people who have an ignorant and almost irrational hatred of the topic.


Could you explain this to me a bit more please?


There is a difference in disliking a person who would rape a child and disliking a person who has an attraction for children. When the subject is brought up, you will often find people who are ready to punish someone to the full extent of the law for simply being who they are. No one can truly choose who they are, but we are all capable of self control. I see people who like 'fake' child pornography as being just as bad as a person who enjoys violent movies and video games. If they have a desire, that is who they are. It does not mean that they will absolutely commit the act.
Some kid walked out into traffic and shot at a bunch of cars after playing gran theft auto, most people dont get as easily irritable on this subject as they do for the subject of pedophilia.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Hound
Although fake child pornography may be able to help these types of pedophiles, there is a group that is created and influenced by child pornography that may lead to later crimes. It has been shown in the past that some men who are exposed to young naked photos of children will sometimes have no symptoms of interest until the incident. They are almost like sleeping agents that are only activated when exposed. Ive seen some people online go from criticizing and verbally attacking pedophiles to asking for photos of naked children.



Forgive my cynicism but i would sugget those people always had an interest and then simply found their ource. Otherwise why would they have been on that website? Oh and please, do not post that website, despite the fact it may get this thread locked i have no intention of turnign this thread into a palce where some paedophiles may get material thank you .


Originally posted by Hound
I will admit that I have in fact seen illegal pictures online, not intentionally of coarse. I would point out the website from which this happened, but part of the one hundred rules of the Internet says to never talk about the particular site(hint). I was luckily not influenced, but i noticed an instant increase of demand and people against it change their mind.


Again these people wer already looking for it. It was not a change of mind. Paedophiles are attracted to children, that is the simple definition of a paedophile.


Originally posted by Hound
Would false child pornography be a good thing or a bad thing? I think further study is needed. Perhaps testing on thousands of convicted pedophiles and a group of non-pedophiles would ultimately decide for certain, but I am absolutely positive that no one should ever be convicted for owning fake child pornography. This becomes no longer about the person who has the problem and more about the people who have an ignorant and almost irrational hatred of the topic.


Studies have been done. Paedophiles have a sexual reaction to photographs of children whereas non paedophilic adults have a disgusted reaction. Pretty cut and dry really. The only question remaining is should the adults who have a reaction but never act upo nit be jailed if they can make do with the animated stuff that is out there. If so should the animated stuff be allowed to stop these adults getting frustrated and downloading pictures of abuse of real children.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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Thank you for your response.

This is one that we just are not going to be able to agree on.

If you have children I hope that you don't risk them to your trusting and understanding beliefs in the inherent goodness of pedophiles.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hound
I see people who like 'fake' child pornography as being just as bad as a person who enjoys violent movies and video games. If they have a desire, that is who they are.


I must admit that i have made this comparison out of simple argument. However i have played violent war games and yet have no intention of killing anyone, ever. The difference is intent and motive.

People who play violent games do it because it is fast paced action, sadly that action is placed around killing other players. However animated paedophilic porn is based around the paedophils attraction to children. This is a fundamental difference.

Again though, despite the fact they are truly disgusting (in my view) we cannot prosecute people for thought crime.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Not allowed, it helps enhance the persons unhealthy obsession / desire, and dis-senitizes them to the horror of what they are doing.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn

If you have children I hope that you don't risk them to your trusting and understanding beliefs in the inherent goodness of pedophiles.



That is one of the more manipulative posts i've seen on ATS. I don't believe he was saying he would leave his children in a situation where a paedophile who had not commited a crime may be tempted into commiting a crime. I don't think he said that paedophiles has inherent goodness either.

Really now you just insinuated something, trying to play on emotions of posters.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by gYvMessanger
Not allowed, it helps enhance the persons unhealthy obsession / desire, and dis-senitizes them to the horror of what they are doing.


They don't see it as horror, you are looking at it from your point of view. I have that same problem, it is horrible to me, but i try to suspend that to understand the topic. They don't see it as horrible and therefore it will not encourage their behavior.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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There's no horror in doing things to yourself while looking at certain types of images (Unless friends walk in).

There is absolute horror in child rapists. I'd prefer anyone who rapes a child be shot.. But I don't care about animated stuff.

To me, it's about protecting the innocence of the children. If there's no victim, there's no crime.

Banning it would be against freedom of expression.
If you don't like that, then move to Europe.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
If you don't like that, then move to Europe.


This made me laugh. It is more legal in Europe than the USA.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Ok, here are some points to consider...

Pedophilia is by definition the sexual contact with, or desire for *PREPUBESCENT* children.

Humans typically reach puberty at 13-15 years old...

Henceforth, sexual contact with a 13-whatever year old would NOT be pedophile in the strictest sense, if that "Child" has begun puberty.

Just semantics though...

The term you are looking for is NOT pedophile, it is "Sexual conduct with Minors"


A Minor is a human that has not reached the legal age of consent, and that age varies by nation:

upload.wikimedia.org...

So, what is horribly illegal in some nations, is perfectly acceptable in others.


For example, all of you that had sex before you were married would be on the wrong side of the law in West Sahara, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Iran, and Pakistan.

Also, the act of having sexual relations with a 9-14 year old would be viewed by most here to be abhorrent....

But in some other countries, these practices are the norm, and in others, age of consent is synonymous with marriage.

(Mexico, China, Brazil, Spain, Chile, etc...)

So, what exactly are you arguing here?

That the laws of one nation are morally superior to another?

That a human being is somehow MAGICALLY able to decide their fate when they reach 18, or 17, or 16, but not 15?

Clearly this one is a gray area.... and cannot be expressed in such black and white terms as "Good" and "Evil"

After all... Puberty is the biological indicator of having arrived at the proper age for breeding.

Are we arguing with nature here?

IS it the age difference that is being argued?

The "Predator" status of one who preys on those humans that have not had experience in sexual acts?

News Flash: Humans have been engaging in sex before the age of 14 for... well..... since the dawn of history, really.


So, I have a proper question for everyone here.... and it is RELEVANT.

WHAT age is the proper age for consent, and what justification do you use to explain your position.

And one more question...

We have games and movies, art, and religious pictures that display gratuitous death, murder, destruction, etc...

Should the viewers of these pictures ALSO be considered as accomplices to murder?

Or the Artists responsible for their creation held as liable for murder?


-Edrick

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Edrick]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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If you don't like that, then move to Europe.


no need im already there.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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I think I can sum it up fairly well.

In my book, and many others I'm sure, the basis of any criminal or civil trial is either the violation of a person's rights or a person being deprived of property by another person or group (company, government, etc).

In the case of animated child porn, while many of us might find it disgusting, I find no one's rights have been violated nor has anyone been deprived of property and it's use by allowing animated child porn.

Anything other interpretation is a bastardization of reasoned and ethical law.

Peace,
KJ



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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You'd be surprised the amount of teenage girls who are into this erotic manga stuff. Girls are usually introduced to the manga stuff through online and video games. Final Fantasy being the start of it all those years ago. Girls loved it.

As for the erotic manga, I've known at least 3 teenage girls around my area who are into it, there is bound to be a lot more .
One has a pretty risque t-shirt she wears around with 2 manga characters on it getting funky, shall we say. No one seems to bat an eyelid about it.

So rather than this being targetted at Peados, I'd more worried about teenage girls getting into Porn through these Manga characters. Up till now, the porn industry hasn't really targetted porn for young girls specifically.I think that's a bigger conspiracy if you ask me.

As for Peado, those sickos get off on anything. Should we ban kids clothing brochures from Walmart, Target etc because they have been found in the possession of Peadophiles?

Like I said I'm more concerned about the popularity of it with girls.
Peados can drop dead for all I care.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Miraj
If you don't like that, then move to Europe.


This made me laugh. It is more legal in Europe than the USA.


I should of said China maybe. Oh well.

I was just trying to convey the point of; If you want to ban it, then you don't believe in freedom of expression or speech.

Also, one of the links earlier about a britain politician trying to get it banned made me think of Europe.

But how is it more legal in Europe if it isn't illegal here?



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:37 AM
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I haven't gone through all the posts yet since I last left here - but - I found this earlier and thought you might appreciate it being included in your thread.

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A US manga collector has plead guilty to possession of child pornography because some of the many thousands and thousands of comics he owns depict children in sexual situations. He now faces up to 15 years in prison and a life of being treated as a child molester, though there's no evidence he is a pedophile or has ever interfered with a child in any way.


peace



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Miraj
But how is it more legal in Europe if it isn't illegal here?


Becuase, and i could be wrong here but i believe it is illegal in the USA to have any of this stuff. The poster above me linked a story that proves it.

It is ridiculous to think the guy was arrested and prosecuted for owning a manga collection. I don't believe anyone should be prosecuted for this stuff, as someone just said having these images does not harm anyone, infinge upon their rights or deprive anyone of property.

So how is it illegal? I just don't get it. Lots of things disgust me but are perfectly legal.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Miraj
But how is it more legal in Europe if it isn't illegal here?


Becuase, and i could be wrong here but i believe it is illegal in the USA to have any of this stuff. The poster above me linked a story that proves it.

It is ridiculous to think the guy was arrested and prosecuted for owning a manga collection. I don't believe anyone should be prosecuted for this stuff, as someone just said having these images does not harm anyone, infinge upon their rights or deprive anyone of property.

So how is it illegal? I just don't get it. Lots of things disgust me but are perfectly legal.


He's the first convicted under the law, but it's wrong. The man isn't a pedophile, but now he'll probably be tagged as a sex offender for the rest of his life when he never touched or looked at a child.

I hope that he can get an appeal, because he deserves it.. And citizens should be concerned with this, it's a violation of the constitution (It is, no matter whether you agree or disagree with the material.)



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