Bill Gates flips out! Leaked Microsoft emails.

what struck me as odd is why on earth would he be wanting to buy a piece of software and additions from the website of the company he already owned?

perhaps he should open a few of the complaint emails he gets regarding microsoft or its website and get an idea of what the public think of them.

I love my Macintosh.

I love it more because I use a PC too. The reason why has to do with living in a third world country... don't ask. But I get to see the difference between the two all the livelong day.

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lol I

Here's another funny memo, this one sent to bill gates:

Jim Allchin's Mac message: The full text
Microsoft executive Jim Allchin's "I'd buy a Mac" e-mail, introduced as a plaintiff's exhibit in the company's Iowa antitrust trial, was previously excerpted but not available in complete form. However, the full message has now been posted among the plaintiff's exhibits online. Here's the PDF, and I'll post the text below.

As a reminder, Allchin wrote in his Dec. 12 blog post that the message was written three years ago, that he was "being purposefully dramatic to drive home a point," that the development process was subsequently overhauled, and that, as a result, Windows Vista is "far better than any other software available today."

As a historical document, at least, the message provides insights into what was happening with Windows Vista's development back when it was still known as Longhorn. It also reflects what the company will be trying to accomplish, and avoid, as it starts work on Windows Vista's successor. To put the timing in context, this was a few months after Allchin and Bill Gates unveiled Longhorn at the 2003 Professional Developers Conference. Eight months after the message, Microsoft cut the WinFS storage system from the new operating system.

With that as backdrop, read on for the text:

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant. I'm sorry.

I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers (both business and home) the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are, and really understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face are. I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn't translate onto great products.

I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you run the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to basically all Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not lose their way. You must watch this new video below. I know this doesn't show anything for businesses, but my point is about the philosophy that Apple uses. They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast. I know there is nothing hugely deep in this.

www.apple.com... [Note: link no longer works]

I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do what I called plan (b) yesterday We need a simple fast storage system. LH is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

jim

seattlepi

"LongHorn (vista) is a pig!" Classic.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by schrodingers dog]

This is certainly one of the main reasons I use Pclinuxos (free) and Mepis on all 3 computers, and one that is purely linux. The other 2 dual boot with xp, but only the kids use it for games, sort of like an old gamecube. Useless for everything else. Now even my cheap hp printer works on linux, so I don't need to ever boot into windows again. Quality, speed, and no spyware or viruses. The 2 I mentioned are pretty much idiot proof and come live cds, so you can try them out without installing and see if they recognize everything. My computers always did, not to old or too new I guess. I read Bill Gates bought a mac for his mother, so I doubt he uses windows much himself.

Bill Gates did not write that, you might hate him but he is highly intelligent. when support told him to type in the search as he already had he either would have told them he used that verbage (he did type movie maker not moviemaker) already or he wouldnt have said the download worked the second time.

It hardly matters who wrote that, from what I read about all the procedures, its a typical windows experience. Thats all that counts in the end. And there were alot of articles about his mother really getting a Mac, a few years ago, when I switched to primarily linux for the 3 machines we built.

Originally posted by jprophet420
Bill Gates did not write that, you might hate him but he is highly intelligent. when support told him to type in the search as he already had he either would have told them he used that verbage (he did type movie maker not moviemaker) already or he wouldnt have said the download worked the second time.

If you had bothered to read the linked article, it clearly states at the bottom:

Update, Friday: During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning, Gates referred to this, and poked a little fun at us: "One of the newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at something, and they said, 'This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!' And I said, 'What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That's what it's all about. We're here to make things better."

For the last time, he's already acknowledged writing this email and jokes openly about it.

IBM tried an operating system called IBM DOS. It flopped. Computer were advertised as 30%-80% IBM compatible back in the very early 80's until around 1986. By then IBM had fully bought into MS and their software. The DOS war was over.

As for Xerox and its GUI, there was a company named GEOS that was in the running. It came out in testing around 1988. It ran on Apple and IBM compatible computers. On an Amiga, it looked as good as anything in today's computers. MS later paid them several million to go away. It was far and beyond anything that was on the market at the time. Very comparable to Win95 which came out much later.

sorry hate to debate semantics but he admits that writing emails like that are his job not that he wrote it. either way its not an original becasue it has the recipients email removed and to be honest I am amazed he would reference something that violated Microsoft's NDA.

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Right, for the last time, he wrote this email.

Let me show you the full conversation here: pdf

[edit on 30-6-2008 by schrodingers dog]

blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com...

[edit on 6/30/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Bill probably has Linux at home anyway, or a mac.

If anyone ever abducts him for crimes against progress, they should lock him in a room with vista.

I build pc's and do maintenance, and use xp.

It seems that every "evolution" of MS products takes away something useful from the last. For example win98 has (in system information) a system configuration utility, which allows PROPER control over startup items, including programs, config, autoexec, etc.

Glad Bill has to use his own company's technology from time to time, might help to keep his smug in check, hehe.

When I got my MacBook Pro back in Jan., I bought it from Macmall and it came bundled with parallels desktop and vista ultimate. Vista worked on my Mac better than it did on my Dell PC at work. Unbelievable. Since then, I dumped vista and parallels from my mac, just eating too much space and memory.
Still it's nice watching Gates sweat his software like the rest of us. I wonder what hardware and CPUs he used at work?

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night -- why should I reboot at that time?

So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant completely getting rid of all my Outlook state.

Every person knows that when "drivers" and "software" is upgraded that a reboot is needed to use the new "updates". Since this "person" knew they were upgrading drivers and such a reboot was necessary, especially if their critical updates.

I'm certain Bill would know this and not rant about a reboot.

I cannot trust this email as there is NO evidence it it from bill. I can send an email and bout Bill Gates as the sender also.. the only real way to verify sender is looking at the email properties... I find a lot of inconsistent comments in there that an avid user let alone a founder would comment on.

Fake email...

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. ex]

For the last time, he's already acknowledged writing this email and jokes openly about it.

No.. he did not confess to writing "that" email.. the statement says "like that". Similar in wording.. but he never confessed he wrote that....

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Doesn't anybody read posts anymore before they put their foot in their mouth.
Please read my above post with the pdf link on it.
It is public record as part of litigation.

[edit on 7/1/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Willbert

 

Doesn't anybody read posts anymore before they put their foot in their mouth.
Please read my above post with the pdf link on it.
It is public record as part of litigation.

[edit on 7/1/2008 by schrodingers dog]

When it comes to covering ones own a** some do twist and use tactics that may be considered unethical when "caught".

With that said.. I'm sure Bill did not offer his email with the info sent? This email was offered by another to protect their interests.

As I stated.. it is not difficult to send an email to another and have it look as though it came from another.. the only way one could verify the legitimacy of an email is through it's properties.

Until I see and hear from a tech which testifies to the authenticity of this email, I will ponder its authenticity.

The thing I noticed about the e-mail was that it didn't sound very "geeky". It sounded like an average user's complaints. If this is from Bill Gates (and I see no reason why to doubt it), then it leaves me wondering how much tech he actually knows.

Another thing: It has been LONG known that Microsoft's search on their own site is absolutely horrible. I used to have an MSDN subscription years ago. When you loaded it, and typed in a problem, the answer almost always came up. When you went to Microsoft's tech site, the answer would almost never come up. Still to this day, if you get some strange error, you are almost always better off looking it up with a general search engine, than with Microsoft's search engine.

Bill Gates has been ahead of his time on certain things. His retirement is one of those. I have said for a couple of years now that XP would be the last OS that had total dominance in the marketplace. Even now, very few companies are going with Vista.

Watch for Gates to start divesting himself of Microsoft stock, all for his "charities" of course.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by sir_chancealot]

Bill Gates has not been "ahead of his time" on anything. He was a very successful and insightful entrepreneur who saw that he had IBM by the balls and got rich by yanking them all the way.

He should be lauded as a smart businessman who saw his chance and grabbed it with both hands.

You think that Mr. Gates wrote Windows? Pah!

Windows is a success of marketing and saturation over technological proficiency. Microsoft didn't invent the "window" environment. It certainly didn't invent an efficient OS.

People became obsessed about look and feel and not about how it works. The only thing of lasting technological invention that Microsoft achieved was driving the fantastic speed increases in chip technology and that wasn't exactly by design. OS runs like a hippo? Ahhh well, just increase the MIPS.

What is most worrying is that Bill had these kind of experiences - seems that even the good doctor couldn't stop the Frankenstein's monster he had animated.