Lewis Black said it best:

Republican stands up, "I've got a really bad idea!"

Democrat, "And I can make it #tier!"

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's just sad how Congress is backing the idiot in the "Square Peg Fits In The Round Hole Office."

The Resident of the United States of America won't have a residence here any longer after his term is up, I believe 2/3's of the country will be storming Crawford Texas with pitchforks, tar, and feathers.



[edit on 28-6-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Honestly, I don't know what to say. Partially for fear of retroactive punitive actions for questioning the motives, and criticizing the actions of every Presidential Emperor in the future. But alas, those who have done these misdeeds have crossed the line. They must be looking for a future armed conflict with American citizens on their own soil. The Supreme Court at least allowed the citizens to protect themselves with something more than sticks and stones against the coming waves of Blackwater Stormtroopers.

I personally am a pacifist, but I see a near future where the lack of resources combined with the trouncing of rights of the people by the State. Big, big discourse.
I don't know, maybe I am a pessimist.

Sorry, I am not trying to stray from FISA and the Corporate Police State, I just have always had the knack of my mind playing out the possible scenarios, and I feel like we are running out of options to walk an honorable path in the future. Maybe that is what is saddest about the past 8 years, is the death of honor.

There was a time in this country that AT&T and their ilk would be held to task for their actions, unfortunately I don't think we live in those times anymore.

Its too easy to not care because the Hulk Hogan reality show is on....
DocMoreau

I read a book a while back that talked about bush and the return of the imperial presidency. it talked about how he was working things to chip away further and further at the constitution, bill of rights, etc. and give his government more and more power. this has been being set up for a long time... but that how things like this are implemented...slowly, so noone notices. day by day more of or "freedoms" are being taken away.

We are all pathetic!!!

A bunch of us understand what is happening, why it is happening etc...

The real question is what on Earth can any of us do???

Probably half of us here have known about some of this stuff for years!
Every couple of months the small crack in our country's sovereignty grows bit by bit.
1. 9/11---

2. led to blind patriotism and the wonderful phrase Anti American-

3. two wars

4. Patriot acts and the like-

5. Increased surveillance

6. The hundred plus Detention camps that have been built by the Haliburton subsidiaries in the USA...

7. Now the data base to document citizens "E" activities...

8. ???

9.???

10.???

11.????

12. Screwed and imprisoned in some fashion


I have missed many details and the orders of events except "12."...

The point is we come back to ATS just to moan and complain....
The most pathetic part of this is we act like we have learned something fantastic and ground breaking. Come on !!!

we have been suspecting the ultimate outcome for years now... We get another piece of the puzzle and we act surprised all over again???

Then we spend our efforts arguing and debating with the sociopathic fascist 9/11 patriot washed nut sacks. The only argument these people bring is the rhetorical Anti American American hater comments. This fine argument they bring to the party every party is a killer of debate and logic.

Instead of speculating on why "a hundred plus detention centers have been built in the US"( a fact) we engage the "mind washed" by defending our views in place of the facts , actual buildings, fences and guard towers...

By about the six post of every thread the subject is lost to the speculative realm where we become impotent as a logical debate forum. The subject quickly turns into Barack Obama has a secret muslim Mullet which proves your unpatriotic because the bible says that the world is only 8,000 years old...

I think we need to organize in a way that can keep debate relevant and on topic.

I also think we need to embrace what we know regarding the crimes here at home.

We also need to get beyond this proof of concept stage we are perpetually in. If you believe it embrace it, don't waste your time arguing with a hopeless case, move on to the post of an enlightened believer!

What the other side fails to realize is that if we are wrong about the take over nobody gets hurt....

But if our suspicions our right then the out come will impact our entire beloved
country including, our psycho patriot nemesis!



[edit on 28-6-2008 by mental modulator]

Thanks for the thread DD!

I would like to remind all that in the 'deeper' scheme of things, if you think that the government is capable of actually implementing the 'infrastructure' for accomplishing this Orwelian nightmare you are mistaken.

This will necessitate the involvement of commercial entities like Comsys, AT&T, Viacom, and others. The Corporate masters will be the owners and controllers of these data. I foresee that it will be immediately accessible to the marketeers. With their custodianship of this 'national security' data, they will become even more powerful, perhaps even allowing them access to 'law enforcement' privileges, like the IRS. There are many negative potentially branches down this path, we must stay alert to them.

How much does the government 'need to know?' Some would say nothing, they seem to think everything. The middle-ground isn't even being considered or discussed.

If the IP surveillance really goes ape like some predict there are still ways to keep the Internet going with some degree of freedom and privacy. Have you heard of TCP/IP over radio? Hams have been using this for years. They chat and transfer files over shortwave, VHF/UHF channels with this technology. If you tune through the s-w bands day or night you will find many data transmissions occuring. This communication channel would be difficult or impossible for the government to control.

Originally posted by mental modulator
We are all pathetic!!!

A bunch of us understand what is happening, why it is happening etc...

The real question is what on Earth can any of us do???

Probably half of us here have known about some of this stuff for years!
Every couple of months the small crack in our country's sovereignty grows bit by bit.
1. 9/11---

2. led to blind patriotism and the wonderful phrase Anti American-

3. two wars

4. Patriot acts and the like-

5. Increased surveillance

6. The hundred plus Detention camps that have been built by the Haliburton subsidiaries in the USA...

7. Now the data base to document citizens "E" activities...

8. ???

9.???

10.???

11.????

12. Screwed and imprisoned in some fashion


Let me fill in the blanks - this is coming soon in my humble opinion:

8. DOW drops by almost 1000 points in a day

9. DOW continues to fall, dollar weakens rapidly & suddenly. Major corps & banks announce bankruptcy & major redundancies.

10. Oil, gas, food, etc shoots through the roof, leading to:

11. Panic, riots, looting, civil unrest & the need to "protect" people. The unemployed/homeless/repossessed/bankrupt are moved to the camps resulting in

12. Screwed and imprisoned in some fashion

13. Martial law imposed with curfews to "protect" people & peoples property, etc.

14. Police state achieved, democracy dead, opposition = prison camp here you come.
[edit on 28-6-2008 by mental modulator]

Has anybody heard the dna transmitter? Our self-preservation is
paramount more than the extermals. Meaning some of our capacities are suppressed. This is why no aggression is demonstrated, instead just anger. A very highly classified instrument. It also eradicates the tendencies to be a hero.