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posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:10 PM
Did you know that the US has the most laws, and law enforcement on internet.

My experienced I been scamed on the net, a person in greece. I reported it to his ISP and what did they do?? they notified him that someone is making a complaint about him.

The ISP is located in PA, USA. what I found out, ISPs don't care for the little guy at all.

I also notice lawsuits on people downloading music illegally was illegal.

by law, the person who provides the service infringes the copyright not the customer.

So the reason the music industry and software industries sue families becuse they make more money that way then if they just sued one company.
This is illegal and yet the big corps got away with it.

The companies that sued the families said that conumers should know it's wrong it's like stealing. However they used this as a loophole to allow them to go after families, even thought when you steal somthing you would know that your stealing, however if someone else steals a product and then sells you it how would you know if the person that provided you the service was illegal. Also these companies how did they know those people are downloading music illegally, easy they logged them by sharing fake files on the internet to track these people down without any warrent.

The feeling I have in the U.S is we are very much controled even on the internet and defence less, if you get scammed or plan to buy somthing on the internet and you get scammed out of your money don't bother to inform the police or any gov agent even the isp they won't do anything unless your a big corp/business or someone that has alot of money.

I created this post to also see who else experienced or seen somthing like this?? Where the big corps/business win.

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[edit on 27/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:19 PM
reply to post by computerwiz32

Alot of times they won't pursue this is because they simply don't have the technology to track these people down. With free proxies, free web mail with no identity check, firewalls, routers, NAT, etc. It would be too hard for local departments to track down. Now, if an individual or company lost millions of dollars, then law enforcement would be inclined to step in.

It would cost 10 times more to do all of the steps necessary to track the person down for a $300 camera on Ebay. See my point.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:30 PM
I am not buying the cost aspect. Do ISPs allow accounts to be create with bogus info? If so, how do they bill and get paid. If it is bad info that user's access won't be there for long because the ISP wants money.

What about all this unsolicited bulk email. If the owner of a mail server allows open relay then they are part of the problem. The originator of most of that mail is known. It is being forwarded. Deny mail from servers that are responsible. When the people/companies with money and control get affected, a remedy comes along pretty quick.

Problems that affect the regular person are just overlooked. I suppose the attitude we are to have is 'we are luck to even be able to access the internet - put up with it'.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:33 PM
yes I know, but then why is it when people in teh U.S scam other people in another country they get caught even using proxy servers??

To me it seems the gov favors more corps than the own people. I do understand the costs involved in finding the person.

The reason I am somewhat upset is the laws in the U.S and the enforcement are too strict and then seeing people in other countries have more freedom then us on the internet.

that is why I called this thread Internet control.

I just want to see if anyone has anything to say about this subject/topic

and sorry if the title is all in Caps.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:38 PM
reply to post by roadgravel

I didn't say the ISP's I said internet mail accounts like Yahoo, Gmail, etc. Anybody can create one of those. Anyone can get a prepaid debit card which can be used to verify a fake address. Anyone can sign up for internet service.

Go to your local PD and see if they have the tools to track down someone over the internet. I bet not.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:40 PM
reply to post by computerwiz32

The only time you will see people get caught is because one they make mistakes and end up using their grandmothers address or two if was some great amount of money involved.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:06 PM
My point is the U.S has more laws and enforces them than any other country.

I am just saying freedom on the internet is gone, I bought 2 domain names.

and guess what they asked for my bank account, all my info my social security number all that.

Then they called my bank asking for this information which my bank gave it to them after verifying who they were, then the bank called me asking if I permitted them to get that info. In other countries all you need to do is pay someone that provides the service and you can be bill gates or even bush on the net, who cares about if the info is legit. However in the U.S they have to know every detail before you get a domain name.

I also seen alot of hosting companies having high prices on domain names, I can't see why 25 bucks would be a good fee for a domain name when it only cots them about 1 or 2 mb to host a record that points to your ip address.

My point their is more control on U.S Internet than any other country.

They can tack you down. A kid in my high school class it was an electronics class we were giving computers to take home ect, we paid our teacher which he knew a guy that bought the computer parts like the motherboard ect. In our class we had to build/put it all together and also load dos and do dos labs ect and even windows. The kid decided to install limewire and before you know it the FBI came in the class at mid-night and took the kids computer my teacher the next day thought one of us were playing a joke like hiding his computer, well since he didn't have the his computer he had to share a computer with another kid to do the labs. Then later one some FBI agent and the schools it people came in and talked to my teacher and then started searching on all our computers to see if they found anything else like downloading software. They didn't find anything but on my computer they called me in and asked me about a program I had which is called yet not another ray tracer which is a freeware render engine for blender a freeware 3d modeling software. They were about to press charges of hacking thinking I had a tracing software, but once they confirm what I said then the charges were dropped.

The reason I labeled this thread Internet Control, was because I fell the U.S has more laws/ control over the internet then any other country, but yet it favors the corps. If a corp got hacked they raise blank about it and then you just see how fast they find these people, but if someone like you or me gets hacked and we cry about it the gov would say what do you want us to do about it??

I just say the corps are more favored. I been looking to buy a direct dedicated internet line, and found hidden charges in contracts they don't want anyone to have their own network they make it harder and harder to get your own line.

These are just my thoughts and would like to hear you guys at ATS on your thoughts of the Internet. I know the U.S doesn't have a 100% control on the internet but just think if you had a server in another country what you can do and how much money you can make, their are websites own by Americans but is hosted in another country and their service is providing free downloads of pirated games/software.Those sites are jam packed with ads and I have heard some websites like those make over a billion bucks off the ads.

I just say how free are we?? What's next??? would the gov want us getting taxed on internet service??

I just see day by day our freedom going down the drain.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:27 PM
Here is a article that shows a company suing myspace. hmm why did they sue myspace, oh ya because it allowed people to upload music and videos that are illegal and then reformatting and providing it to the people.

this proves that the service provider is the one that is held responsible, and yet the people that got sued by corps for downloading music even though they are not supposed to get sued it's supposed to be the website, or person that provides it, is indeed infringing on copyrights.

Article of myspace getting sued

[edit on 27-6-2008 by computerwiz32]

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:37 PM
reply to post by computerwiz32

Domain names = $25/bucks. Wow, you got screwed. based in Canada $4.95

I say the internet is pretty much clear in the U.S. in my opinion. Look at all kinds of downloading and it is not blocked here in the U.S. nor is LimeWire.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:45 PM
I am not talking about control as of like controling what your able to access.

I am saying that the U.S has more control on you if you have your own website. What I am saying is that the corps are more favored on the internet then just average americans. If someone hacked me and I report it to the cops they could careless usally saying what do you want us to do about it.

However if bill gates walks in and cries about getting hacked I bet the cops would then start a search for the guy and end up finding him.

The example I gave about the music industry going after people who infringed on the copyright even though it was illegal they were able to sue families.

if someone infringed on my copyright I bet they would get away with it since I don't have big bucks and lack power.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:55 PM
reply to post by computerwiz32

But I don't understand. I run a website and did not have to give my social or bank statements. All I used was a prepaid debit card from Walgreens. I was up and running in 24 hours, no questions asked.

But, if Bill Gates vs. the regular Joe, that is a given. Privileged people throughout history will always receive better treatment.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 08:12 PM
well not saying webhosting just to register domain names.

well I am currently looking for a company to provide me a dedicated line. so far they usually ask for a business tax id and business name.

But anyways my point to all this that the U.S gov favors corps..

here is why I think so, do you know if you are taking someone to court it cost you $$$, well can you compare a $100,000 lawyer to a 1,000 dollar lawyer?? Who would win.

money is power.

The gov can trace you down on the internet. If you don't think this is true that event I told you about a kid in my class faced charges from the gov they traced the traffic from the internet to the kids computer which my teacher told us they have about 15 folders filled with paperwork all are charges on the kid. He told us that once they do all that worked they are for sure going to fry you, the FBI agent we ticked off he told us watch your fellow student get fried. They were trying to use scare tactics to make us all think twice before downloading.

once a company wants to go after anyone in the U.S they usually get what they want. in another country companies have a hard time going after you.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 08:16 PM
reply to post by computerwiz32

I am not saying the government can't trace you. I am saying local PD's can't, they just don't have the resources. But, if you bring in the Fed's then of course they can.

posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 08:53 PM

Originally posted by computerwiz32
this proves that the service provider is the one that is held responsible, and yet the people that got sued by corps for downloading music even though they are not supposed to get sued it's supposed to be the website, or person that provides it, is indeed infringing on copyrights.

Article of myspace getting sued

[edit on 27-6-2008 by computerwiz32]

Most of the lawsuits I have seen by the RIAA, if not all, have been for sharing files they download, not for actually downloading the files. If you don't want to get sued, don't share/seed files if you live in a country with p2p laws.

As per you getting scammed, I really don't understand what you expected your ISP to do?

posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 01:01 PM
I don't expect my isp to do anything, this guy owns

I contacted his ISP to shut it down since they had a policy for no, hacking,illegal activies, and porn, that was the ISP's policy, they just warned him that someone has been complaining about him, so he switched to another ISP which provides him a server, and it's a germany isp, I contacted them and they don't respond at all.

my point was I was scammed, now if a person in another country scammed a corp, like microsoft, they would get fried.

Right now I know I lost the money, I just wanted his website to be shut down since the claims/ content is illegal in the first place.

If I made a website like that I bet I will be shut down in a heart beat.

Their was a guy that his hosting service was shut down becuse he didn't bealive in god so the hosting computer just shut his website down for no reason. The guy was someone small so guess what?? they got away with it.

It doesn't matter if you share files, what matters is the service you use.

copyrights are their to stop someone from profiting off your work.
so if you share it with another person it dosen't infringed unless you get somthing out of it like money.
the services filesharing software gets traffic for just filesharing which they make money off the ads this causes that if any illegal/copyright infringment content goes through your service your responsible not the people that shared it.

Here is another story, my dad was selling a car for 4,000. He accepted a cashiers check, he let the lady take the car, and my dad took it to the bank the bank said it's fake, my dad then reported it to the police, about 3 months later they cought the lady, and told my dad that they sold the car for 7,000 and we had to buy back our car. My dad ending up losing that car. The lady still had the 7,000 , my dads argument was why can't the cops take the 7,000 give it back to that one person and my dad gets the car back. The cops said they can't do anything else. so it was a lose.
My point is the Internet in the U.S is controled by the corps.

I tried getting in the ISP business, and found many and yet many blocks on being your own, however you can resell lines for AT&T and not make any profit off that just break even with your investment.

Also ISP's are responsible for people who use their service. So if someone is doing a scam they should take care of it themselves but to make it short they don't give a crap, only care about other corps that are more powerfull(meaning richer) and the gov that's it anything else to them is business even if it means to get you screwed.

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