J. S. Bach: music and occult knowledge

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:53 AM

Originally posted by science lol

Originally posted by Vanitas
I've been trying to find freely available (i.e. non-JSTOR etc.) material on the subject, but it's not exactly abundant.
[edit on 27-6-2008 by Vanitas]

Do you have any titles or authors I could use to search for material on databases like JSTOR?

Darnton's mistakes: Middle C is 522 vibrations per second; C above, 1044; C two octaves above 2088, etc., instead of 261, 522 and 1044, etc. ..... about the manual and pedal compass of Bach's organs. Also, what was a Cymbelstern ? ...
www.jstor.org... (Same frequencies as BACH



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:14 PM
Finally an occult book on BACH (Unfortunately in German)

Der okkulte Bach: Zahlengeheimnisse in Bachs Leben und Werk


Despite intensive research, there are still "dark spots" in the biography of Johann Sebastian Bach. The more his music is marketed and new interpretations brought into the limelight, the more raises the question of man with an apparently superhuman genius talent. Much remains astonishing, mysterious and inexplicable to "normal" standards.

In this study, a piece of the veil is lifted, the occult the "Bach" surrounds. The starting point is the Number sequences that run through Bach's music. Not only his birth date, the number of days and years of his life, even the date of death are his music has underscored a decipherable number woven structure. In addition, Bach is "Number Arithmetic" covers his life to the data of the Christian Rosenkreutz of those great mysteries of the Christian figure, which represents a central flow of esoteric Christianity.

Was BACH a Rosicrucian? Had an internal survey of his life as a whole, and knew the time of his death? If he has the striking number of structures that deliberately reflect his musical life data arithmetic, composited into his work? If yes: Who was this individuality, which commanded such capabilities? What was their cultural mission

I already covered the date BACH died and that there is a strong
Rosenkreutz connection with BACH.

Rozenkreutz was already decoded in this thread:

Christian Rosencreutz, born in 1378, lived 106 years and then died in 1484: hence, his tomb was found and opened in 1604, ten years before the publication the first manifesto RC

The numerical values for the various possible components of the leading name: Christian = 97 + Rosencreutz = 155 gives a total of 252.

The initials of Christian Rosencreutz = C.R . = 3. 17
"Frater Rosencreutz Christian" = 317

48 notes in "cantus firmus", 2 x 1 x 3 x 8, or B x A x C x H.

252 notes for the melodies in alto and tenor, or "Christian Rosencreutz, then 65 marks for the crank (he is indeed a piece for organ), which is the Latin word" Frater ":" brother "
BACH an Frater Rosencreutz Christian are indeed coded in his music.

Frater Rosencreutz Christian = HIRAM ABIFF


I believe BACH had the same destiny

[edit on 8-12-2009 by hawk123]

posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 03:55 PM

1378 = Founding year of Rosencreutz
1750 = Add year of BACHs dead.
3128 Again BACH = 3 + 1 + 2 + 8 encoded


[edit on 9-12-2009 by hawk123]

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 09:53 AM
The relation of BACH (440) with Pythagoras (432) is now provided in:

Above document shows the quadrivium, which is part of the Liberal Arts.

Without mathematics there is no music.
Pythagoras (432) knew it, but BACH (440) demonstrated it.

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646-1716) wrote:
"Music is the hidden arithmetical reckoning of the unconscious spirit"

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 03:10 PM
J.S. BACH was Jesus (Page 10)

70 = Joh. Seb. Bach
70 = Jesus

Enough evidence for the BACH to Christian Rosencreutz connection

posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 06:59 AM
The following composers were all Freemasons

Joseph Haydn
W.A. Mozart
Jean Sibelius
Sir Arthur Sullivan


posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
The following composers were all Freemasons

Joseph Haydn
W.A. Mozart
Jean Sibelius
Sir Arthur Sullivan


This grandlodge mentions:
Bach to our knowledge was not a Mason:

B.t.w. Mozart used the same translation table as BACH.
Mozart was member of the Asiatic Brethen
The Gematria he used for coding is the same as BACH
A=1, B=2, C=3, I=J=9, U=V=20, Z=24
129 = zauberfloete (gematria) Mozart

If BACH was a mason, which order he belonged to?

posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 02:41 PM
97 + 155 = 252 alphabet number of Christian (97) Rosencreutz (155),
135 + 155 = 290 : Christianus Rosencreutz,
65 + 97 + 155 = 317 : frater Christian Rosencreutz,
65 + 135 + 155 = 355 : frater Christianus Rosencreutz,
24 + 25 + 111 + 107 + 83 + 38 + 129 + 23 = 544 : ACRC hoc universi compendium vivus mihi sepulchrum feci

3 and 17, the initiales of Christianus Rosencreutz (C.R.)

Enough evidence of the BACH roots.

BACH book on numbers:

The epitaph (`ACRC Hoc Universi Compendium Vivus Mihi Sepulchrum Feci') has a numerical value of 544 (ACRC = 24, Hoc = 25, Universi = 111, Compendium = 107, Vivus = 87, Mihi = 38, Sepulchrum = 129 and Feci = 23).
The total number of bars in the three-part Sinfoniae is 544 and thus corresponds with that of the epitaph.

[edit on 15-12-2009 by hawk123]

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:52 PM
reply to post by hawk123

Before I sought to answer you, I went to a few of those sights first. Didn't want to 'answer a matter, before I heard it out'. The Solfeggio tuning was used entirely in history before the pagan Catholics changed it a few hundred years ago. Yes, some of it's supporters are rather unsavory. But if they start to tell you that hot chocolate is good, will you swear off it? The best lies are almost entirely true. You say it is bad because of the people who are supporting it. I say the current frequency of music is evil, because of the thugs who instituted it at the Vatican. Maybe because Lucifer, the head ET, was the head of music in heaven? So now all music is evil? I don't think so. I still maintain that Sofeggio is an advanced science we do not currently understand. And it is not evil. Much ancient music written in churches prior to the Catholic attacks was done in Solfeggio. It is beautiful.

posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Gregarious
reply to post by hawk123

. And it is not evil. Much ancient music written in churches prior to the Catholic attacks was done in Solfeggio. It is beautiful.

Horowitz 528 not evil? See next link and search for 528

273 and 528 are the KEY.

273 key is decoded as HIRAM ABIFF and its related number is the 528 KEY

207 = Aur = Light
66 = Hidden
273 The Hidden Light = Hiram Abiff

66 is a lower Harmonic of 528

528 seems to be the Len Horowitz cure for the Swine Flu

528 is encoded in the Bible, but this is modified.
Wartburg castle holds the key.
Wartburg castle is the location for:
- Christian Rosencreutz
- Francis Bacon (King James version)
- Martin Luther and his Sigil (German version)

[edit on 23-12-2009 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 07:03 AM
Today (March 4, 2010) marks the 332nd anniversary of the birth of groundbreaking baroque composer Antonio Vivaldi, a landmark that Google have marked with a Doodle on their homepage.

Mozart and Vivaldi as weaponized instruments

Vivaldi helped standardize the three-movement concerto form later used by J. S. Bach and others. Vivaldi's brilliant allegros and impassioned slow movements were greatly admired by Bach, who arranged 10 of the solo concertos for other instruments.

posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 01:48 PM
reply to post by bsbray11

His opera The Magic Flute is full of masonic imagery, which has a lot in common with esoteric and "occult" subjects.

Actually, this was Mozart's opera, a vaudeville he composed during the last year of his life. In addition, Mozart was a freemason, he joined the club around 30 years of age.

edit: oops did'nt realize that you later changed the name, also did'nt realize how old this post is, been tippin' the bottle early today, my bad.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Centurionx]

posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 02:33 PM
reply to post by Centurionx

Yes, Mozart was a Freemason. More information on links:
books.google.com... (Page 137)

At least Mozart used the same coding as Bach.

posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 02:34 PM
Source: Magazine "Rosicrucian" Rosicrucian Fellowship of Portugal


Translated text on above links:

The Rosicrucians and Baroque Music
Johann Sebastian Bach

Johann Sebastian Bach and the Rosicrucians

The sound has a physical influence as important as the intellectual, emotional or spiritual. The body reacts demonstrably certain resonances, tones and rhythms. The Church in the High Middle Ages, knew that power. He used it to provoke reactions defined in believers.

With the secularization of music, also the culture, before confined to monasteries, spread into the popular domain. The music is heading, then, increasingly, to connoisseurs, in contrast to the sacred music for the crowd eager for satisfaction religious rather than aesthetic and intellectual.

The secularization of music, begins with the troubadours and reaches its peak with the oratorios of Johann Sebastian Bach and the music of Heindel.

Vitality and Rigor

The spiritual mission of Bach was to promote unity of the intellect with the soul. The remarkable mathematical rigor of his music appeals to the intellect while the feat Music awakens the powers of the soul opposing the materialistic West.
Bach lived in the historical period we call "Rosicrucian period" between the Renaissance and pseudo-scientific revolution of the eighteenth century. It was not alien to the Rosicrucian influence and became apparent on one of its members. Bach announced that membership in the baroque way, in code, according to tradition. In fact, the first vote is the start of the silence.

No real brother calls himself publicly, "Fellowship" and therefore one who publicly proclaims one of them, already by that fact is not.

The initiates, and they alone know who in the past were Rosicrucians, because in his works shine unmistakable signs, words and phrases that link the fraternity, although they are hidden from the profane.

Let us follow the thread of Ariadne through the labyrinth and outline some of his works to find the communication that we seek.

The "Fame Fraternitatis"

The Fraternity was publicly revealed in 16l4, as editing a document titled "Fame Fraternitatis (Echoes of the Fraternity) of the Most Laudable Order of the Rosicrucians. Its authorship is attributed to J. V. Andreia.

This work describes the life of Christian Fellowship (Christian Rosenkreutz), who founded the Rosicrucian Fellowship. Explains how Father Fellowship was buried, after leaving the physical body and how the society of the Rosicrucians was kept secret for 120 years.

When it began the transformation of the temple, the Fraters ripped from the wall a brass plate, revealing a secret door, bearing the inscription Post CXX annos Patero (after 120 years will be open).

This door gave access to a temple with seven sides, vault, with inscriptions of familiar symbols.

In the middle of the room was a round altar with various inscriptions. In one of them read: "ACRC Hoc Universi Compendium Vivus Mihi Sepulchrum Feci" (In life I gave to me as a tomb, this summary of the universe).

Hermetic Tradition

Bach used the coded language of numbers in all his work. According to tradition, the origin, order, harmony and the influence of the heavens can be explained by means of certain operations based on the numerical value of letters.

Each letter in addition to the numeric value, also contains an idea because the word and number combined, according to the Kabbalists are the instruments through which God called the cosmos into existence.

I mean, the numbers can not be understood only as a useful means to logically order the universe, but also as symbols of the Absolute.

Thus, according to the Talmudic rule, each letter has a certain numerical value. Based on this equivalence Bach wrote his work in a logical schema that can be neither intellectual game or simple coincidence.

The Work

Author of a vast work, including songs, dances, church services, etc.., Bach uses the ambiguity of the veil, which is both transparent and opaque to reveal their membership of the Rosicrucian Fellowship.

The first veil was woven by determining the numerical value of his own name: Bach (A = 1, B = 2, etc.). As was customary at the time, "J" had the same value as the "I" and "U" the same as the "V". The result is 14. Will use this number frequently.

The Christmas Oratorio is 14 crowns and 14 arias. In the Passion According to St. Matthew, Christ "sings" in 14 recitatives, etc..

In the second veil is the link between his name and Christian Rosenkreutz (Christian Fellowship), using also the numerical equivalent. 97 is the value of the word Christian (Christian) and 155 corresponds to Rosencreutz (Fellowship), totaling 252.

He used this symbolic figure in a number of works for keyboard instruments. The author called "Inventions" to a group of these works. There are 15 pieces in 2 parts or "voices". In a second group called them "Symphonies." There are over 15 pieces, the "3 parts".

The symphonies are written in various shades. The most important starting with C (do) more (the 1st Symphony), C (do) less (the 2nd symphony) and D (re) higher (third), etc..

In this group there are scores written with the same tones and the order in which the author would write his name BACH, ie

Si la si (flat)

As long as the number of bars all of these four scores observed that: the Symphony No. 14 in B-sharp is 24 bars, the No. 13 in A-flat is 64, the No. 2 in C-flat is 32 and No. 15 H has 38 flat.

The sum of the scores of these four bars is 158, which is the numerical value of his name: Johan Sebastian Bach.

In the group of "Inventions" there are also parts with the same tones. The number of its bars is as follows: 20, 25, 27, 22, adding 94. The addition of 158 + 94 gives the result 252, which is the numerical value of the name of Christian Fellowship, in German!

The antiquity recognized the existence of a higher reality, inhabited by invisible energies. From the man, she naturally placed in the center, the universe was divided into a triad of manifestation.

Bach follows a similar trend. Part of self-knowledge, their profundity, of interiority, for transcendence. Weaves, finally, the third veil, basing the structure of some works in the numerical value of the key phrase found in the temple where was the tomb of Christian Fellowship.

The numerical value of words of this sentence is: ACRC, 24; Hoc, 25; Universi, 111, Compendium, 107; Vivus, 87; Mihi, 38; Sepulchrum, 129; Feci, 23. Sum: 544, which is the sum of all bars of the 15 symphonies.

In the Christmas Oratorio and Magnificat, among other works, Bach joins the other 544 number that we see, relate to a date.

Based on years of the birth of Christian Fellowship in 1378, according to Fraternitatis Fame, which led to the "calendar Rosicrucian", Bach shows, many years before, the day, month and year of his own death. Found the days and months in the work Magnificat, surrounded by the numerical value of words above.

In this piece for chorus, soloists and orchestra, the chorus (Fecit Potenciano) is of particular importance. It occupies 28 bars in quick time (the text begins by Fecit Potenciano ...) and another 7 in slow tempo (the text begins by Mentecordis sui ...). The sum of all the measures of the piece is 579, as it follows:

28 + 7
544 + 28 + 7 = 579

Thus, we have the day (28) and the month: July (7).

If we analyze now the last 3-trio sonatas for organ, we see that:

The Sonata No. 4, has 207 bars;
The Sonata No. 5, is 372 bars, and
The sonata No 6 has 337 bars.

The sum of the bars of the fourth and the sixth is 544! The sonata number 5 is 372. The sonata is the key for determining the year, because he had initially 155 bars, with numerical value equal to the word Rosicrucian (Rosenkreutz).

Bach was to die, so in the year 372 of the Rosicrucian calendar, which begins in the year of the birth of Christian Rosenkreutz: 1750 of the Gregorian calendar, or 1378 are +372.

In view of this interesting revelation, we can only thank, as Plussihem the first known composer Felix Mendelssohn, for having "rediscovered" Bach in 1829, 79 years after the death of the architect of music, by then almost forgotten, and "find the grave of Brother JS Bach which might as well be engraved the words "Post Anno patebo LXXIX.


Christmas Oratorio (BWV 249, the St. Matthew Passion (BWV 244), Inventions, the two parties (BWV 772-86), Inventions (Sinfonias) to three parts (BWV 787-801), Magnificat (BWV 243rd).

Source: Magazine "Rosicrucian" Rosicrucian Fellowship of Portugal

[edit on 4-3-2010 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:00 PM
273 = HAB = Hiram Abiff = Ch V R M A B I V
640 = HKT = Hiram, King of Tyre = Ch V R M M L K Tz V R
465 = SKI = King Solomon = M L K sh L M H
1378 = 273 + 640 + 465

(1+2+3+4+ … +52 = 1378)


1378 is the birth year of Christian Rosenkreutz.
1378 is the start of the Rosicrucian calendar.

BACH died in the year 372 in the Rosicrucian calendar.
372 (is mirror of 273 Hiram Abiff)

The miror is even more complete by knowing:
372 = 12 x 31 (12 mirror of 21 and 13 mirror of 31)
273 = 21 x 13

References to this Thread are now already coming from Japan.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 6 2010 @ 02:56 AM
Bach and Mozart translates the Alphabet to a number, but Francis Bacon replaced each letter by a grouo of 5 letters.

Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare 's plays and sonnets.


The solution to the Shakespeare Sonnets dedication poem cipher reveals hidden Rosicrucian symbols, ie; Solomon's Seal the Six Pointed Star, the Pyramid, the Square and Comp'ss, a Hanging basket, and more!

The author of the KJV, Sir Francis Bacon, used as his cipher signature the numbers 666 and 33.

BACON = 2 + 1 + 3 + 14 + 13 = 33

“The author of the KJV, Sir Francis Bacon, used as his cipher signature the numbers 666 and 33. That is why you will find 33 words in the center chapter and shortest chapter of the bible, Psalm 117. Now count 666 chapters backward from the end of the bible (Revelation 22). You will find that the 666th chapter from the end is Psalm 46. Count 46 words from the beginning of the psalm and the word is ‘shake.’ Exclusive of Bacon's signature word ‘Selah,’ you will find that the 46th word from the end of the psalm is ‘spear.’ And that is how we are told that Sir Francis Bacon wrote the works falsely attributed to Shakespeare and that he is responsible for the KJV of the bible

[edit on 6-3-2010 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 12:16 PM
Finally BACH 's music opened for me the Tomb of Brother C.R.C. (Rosicrucian order)

In the morning following we opened the door, and there appeared to our sight a vault of seven sides and corners, every side five foot broad, and the height of eight foot. Although the sun never shined in this vault, nevertheless it was enlightened with another sun, which had learned this from the sun, and was situated in the upper part in the centre of the ceiling. In the midst, instead of a tombstone, was a round altar covered over with a plate of brass, and thereon this engraven:

A.C.R.C. Hoc universi compendium unius mihi sepulchrum feci
Round about the first circle, or brim, stood, Jesus mihi omnia
In the middle were four figures, inclosed in circles, whose circumscription was,
1. Nequaquam vacuum
2. Legis Jugum
3. Libertas Evangelii
4. Dei gloria intacta


POST CXX ANNOS PATEBO (After 120 years the tomb was opened ==> 1484 + 120 = 1604)

[edit on 7-3-2010 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 10:34 AM
Previous post in more detail:

The preview of this book shows that:
Jesus = 70 = Joh. Seb. Bach


Download almost 10 Mb

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posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 02:49 PM
Translation from the links in Japan:

"Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum, Jehova" = 243
(Under the Shadow of The Wings, Jehovah)
"I Ehova, under the shade of your wings"

Christian Christian Rosencreutz Rosenkreuz

97 + 155 = 252 alphabet number of Christian (97) Rosencreutz (155),
= Christians and Christian,
Rosenkreuz = rose = = meaning of the Cross are responsible for the Rosen Kreuz.

135 + 155 = 290: Christianus Rosencreutz,
(Latin spelling) Rosenkreuz Kurisuchianusu

65 + 97 + 155 = 317: frater Christian Rosencreutz,
( "Rosicrucian" member) Christian ally Rosenkreuz

65 + 135 + 155 = 355: frater Christianus Rosencreutz,
Ally Kurisuchianusu Rosenkreuz

Rosenkreuz is born in 1378, lived 106 years, died in 1484 and thought,
"Over 120 years later would be incarnated in" street language, that tomb was discovered in 1604.

290 29. 106 16. 120 12.

The epitaph was placed in the center of the altar round of Rosenkreuz Columbarium

24 + 25 + 111 + 129 + 107 + 83 + 38 + 23 =
544: ACRC hoc universi compendium vivus mihi sepulchrum feci

"ACRC Hoc Universi Compendium Vivus Mihi Sepulchrum Feci"

"I decided during the ACRC to survive a summary of this universe and the grave"

544, the works of Bach's "Sinfonia Sinfoniae" 15 songs to match the total number of bars.

544 is, 68 × 8.
68 is a cross of Golgotha Christ was sentenced on Golgatha.
8, 4 × 2, and 4 is the ground, represent two of the Incarnation of Christ.
Therefore, 544 is
Is that the number of expressing faith in Christ crucified in Golgotha hill.

Date Died Bach,
March 21, 1685 (21. 3.1685) and July 28, 1750 (28. 7.1750).

YouTube BWV 659 - Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland

Using my own chorale in Bach's preferred ─ ─
"Now come, Savior of the Gentiles Nun komm der Heyden Heyland" gematria is 243.

Bach noted this is spelled Heyden Heyland,
Important collection of Bach chorales, Collected choir of Dresden with Heyden Heiland,
Today (this day), the German spelling is wrong with Heiden Heiland.

"Rosicrucian," motto of
"I Ehova, under the shade of your wings Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum, Jehova" of the
"Under the shade of your wings Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum" the gematria of 243.

243 is, 81 × 3, or 27 × 9.
81 is, 9 × 9 that JJ = Jesu Juva "Jesus, protect Tamae".
27, each version of the Bible New Testament Old Testament Luther number of people included.

Beginning, the middle picture, the "crest of Luther:" living rose "" = "Rosicrucian".

When they overlap the meaning of the prayer of Bach,

"I can come Ehova Masu, in the shade of your wings (under the protection of you)! "

Jesu, Meine Freude
unter deinem Schirmen,
Jesus will mich decken

Jesus, my joy
Under your
Oh Jesus I Itamou

Credo in unum Deum I believe in one God

Credo 43 = Credo "I have (it) believe".

from Fr Athanasius Kircher SJ’s “Musurgia Universalis” of 1650.
The plate depicts 'The Harmony of the Birth of the World' (Harmonia Nascentis Mundi), represented by a cosmic organ with six registers corresponding to the days of creation. The legend "Sic ludit in orbe terrarum aeterna Dei Sapientia" (thus plays the wisdom of the everlasting God in the earthly orb) appears under the keyboard.


Kircher ─ ─ illustration from year 1650 music-Gu

"Rosicrucian" Cosmology has asked the people of God,
There is no denying that considerable role in the understanding of Bach's work is impossible.

"Rosicrucian" derived from "freemason" Mozart was a member of
"The Magic Flute" was painted on the Magi (= Magic made by the etymology of the Persian priests) trained in
Mysteries of the universe = the law of the hidden order, because that was the quest for Bach.


[edit on 13-3-2010 by hawk123]

posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:59 AM
reply to post by hawk123

Related to previous post on: Images from Fr. Athanasius Kircher's Musurgia Universalis, 1650


See the second picture:
A psychedelic allegory of creation: "the Harmony of the Birth of the World" (Harmonia Nascentis Mundi), with the inscription Sic ludit in orbe terrarum aeterna Dei Sapientia ("thus plays the wisdom of the everlasting God in the earthly orb") below the keyboard.

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