J. S. Bach: music and occult knowledge, page 2
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 08:26 PM by Vanitas
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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 04:52 PM by EvilTwin666
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When ever I paint or write music I like to get into what I call "The Zone" its a bit like meditation.

This source of creativity is available to anyone and is known as the "Noosphere" you can find everything there all in one.

You use the noosphere whether you know it or not we are all connected, can drive you insane though (many artists go mad) especially trying to explain how the dots are connected, people just say its a coincidence.

What I especially love is when someone who has a Masters in Art explains to me that I don't understand my own artwork and that they are right because I dont have a masters.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 03:49 PM by hawk123
Originally posted by Vanitas


Not exactly "occult" knowledge, except in the sense that it is not discernible at first "sight".

Was Bach a Mathematician?

Apparently, there are more ways of signing a work than just scribble down your name.



Im my previous post all 4 columns have as result 522.
4 x 522 = 2088
This Magic rectangle is published by Henk Dieben.

The next documents show the value 522

fusehime.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp...

www.eeneend.nl...

www.knaw.nl...

He was indeed an occult baroque Mathematician.


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reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 10:05 AM by andy1033
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Put it this way, if todays music is based into the occult, and then years ago composers must also have been that way.

I would not be surprised.


reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 10:18 AM by hawk123
Originally posted by andy1033
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post by Vanitas



Put it this way, if todays music is based into the occult, and then years ago composers must also have been that way.

I would not be surprised.



I agree.
Already in Pythagoran tuning or before it started.
9/11 x 528 (Solfeggio) = 432
8/11 x 528 (Solfeggio) = 384


Everything was measured by the radius of the sun, being 432 x 1000 miles

666 is the length of a vesica, whose width is
384, or the sun’s radius (432 x 1000 miles) measured by the tone.

In their common, practical, everyday mathemetics, the Greeks did not
use decimal ratios. Rather, they expressed ratios as a whole number fractions.
For example the string ratio of the perfect fifth was respresented as 2:3, 6:9, 384:576, 486:729, or some other common value. In Pythagorean thought, however, all the phenomena of nature are related to Unity, and all these particular values express the common, underlying relationship of 666:1000
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But now I am starting a project to decode BACH 's real work.


reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 03:02 PM by hawk123
This study was intended to "serious", but this last point to such a resonance with my concerns fantasy that I can not resist it further.

J'ai largement étudié (voir notamment ici ) les pièces d'ordre 14 et 24 du Clavier bien tempéré , correspondant aux tonalités fis et h (fa dièse mineur et si mineur), que je me plais à rassembler en fish , le poisson anglais, en constatant que le poisson s'écrit en hébreu par les lettres translittérées DG. I have extensively studied (see for example here) parts of order 14 and 24 Well-Tempered Clavier, corresponding to the tones made and h (F sharp minor and B minor) that I like to collect in fish, fish English , noting that fish is written in Hebrew by the letters transliterated DG. DG sont encore des noms de notes de la gamme allemande, ré et sol (raie et sole), dans la même harmonie de quarte (g est à d ce que h est à fis). DG are still names of notes of the scale German, D and G (skate and sole) in the same harmony quarte (g is d that h is made).

Or les pièces d'ordre 6 et 15 du Clavier bien tempéré correspondent aux tonalités d et G (ré mineur et Sol majeur). Now parts of order 6 and 15 Well-Tempered Clavier match the tones d and G (D minor and G major). C'est donc le nom de BACH qui viendrait confirmer l'égalité dG = fish, 21 = 38 (l'intervalle entre b et a est le même que celui entre c et h). So the name of BACH which would confirm equal dG = fish, 21 = 38 (the interval between b and a is the same as that between c and h).

J'ai eu la curiosité d'additionner les nombres de mesures des tonalités dG-fis-h, ce qui donne des résultats étonnants lorsque les reprises des préludes sont comptabilisées. I was curious enough to add up the numbers of measures tones dG-fis-h, which gives amazing results when times preludes are recorded.

J'obtiens donc 409 mesures pour le premier cahier, ce qui correspond à la valeur des 59 notes de la superposition finale de l' Art de la fugue . I get so 409 steps to the front section, which corresponds to the value of the 59 notes of the overlapping end of the Art of Fugue.

Un problème se pose pour le second cahier, où deux notations sont connues pour le prélude en h, en 33 et 66 mesures. A problem arises for the second book, where two notations are known for the prelude h, 33 and 66 measures.

La première donne 502 mesures, soit 911 mesures en tout pour les deux cahiers, et Van Houten donne plusieurs exemples où la signature BACH est associée à une forme 9-11 ou 9-3-8 qu'il traduit I-CH ou ICH, « moi ». The first gives 502 steps or 911 steps in total for the two notebooks, and Van Houten gives several examples where signature BACH is associated with a form 9-11 or 9-3-8 it translated I-CH and ICH "Me." (Ce 911 est encore curieux puisque les anglo-saxons abrègent les deux cahiers du Well Tempered Clavier en WTC1 et WTC2, également acronymes des deux tours du World Trade Center disparues ce qui est devenu The 9/11 , Le 11 septembre ; c'est à 08:46 que le vol 11 AA a frappé la première tour, or la première pièce du WTC1 est répertoriée BWV 846 !) (This 911 is still curious since the Anglo-Saxon shorten the two books of the Well Tempered Clavier in WTC1 and WTC2 also acronyms of the two towers of the World Trade Center missing what has become The 9 / 11, September 11, it is at 08:46 that Flight 11 AA struck the first tower, or the first part of WTC1 is listed BWV 846!)

Above is the translation of link:
remi.schulz.perso.neuf.fr...

We know that BACH predicted his own dead in his music.
But did BACH predict the WTC 911 attack?


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 11:12 AM by IrnBruFiend
reply to post by Gregarious



Interesting point about the Catholics changing the frequency.

I thought somewhere along the line they just settled with an A at 55Hz. A nice enough number and the Western scale took off from there. I think Mozart had a slightly different tuning.

The Catholic church once banned the augmented 4th as it was deemed to the sound of the devil. It sounds sweet with the root note in my opinion. It has a frequency ratio of 43:32 to the root so it's the moss dissonant in the Western scale.

I always thought Bach sounded quite upbeat and grand. I never would've suspected a conspiracy in his music. Very interesting I'll need to have a proper read though.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 11:34 AM by Vanitas
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Interesting!

I'll have a good look at this as soon as I can find the time.
Meanwhile, I hope other people who are more knowledgeable than me will chime in with their thoughts.


reply posted on 3-12-2009 @ 03:55 PM by hawk123
J.S. BACH 's monogram has a value of J+S+B = 9 + 18 + 2 = 29

We can discover his initials on the following pages.
Bachs Monogram
www.spiritsound.com...
Mirrored initials
www.spiritsound.com...

www.jsbach.net...


The Bach secret is explained by Henk Diebens magic rectangle
35 44 40 55 174
19 18 22 115 174
41 72 24 37 174
44 75 24 31 174
19 29 87 39 174
27 41 48 58 174
34 70 40 30 174
86 42 26 20 174
35 38 54 47 174
19 24 104 27 174
87 35 24 28 174
76 34 29 35 174
12 x 174 = 2088 Total = 72 x 29 (BACHs monogram number)

fusehime.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp...
OR
fusehime.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp...


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