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The Final Nail In The Coffin: Irrefutable Proof the Flight 93 Crash Scene Is a Lie

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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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I can see why you're saying what you're saying regarding my comment.

Given the events of the day, whilst yes the official report is enough for most people, given a few anomalies with the aircraft involved that day, and it becomes important that some form of evidence of a crash is produced.

The WTC aircraft are not in question - there are hundreds of videos showing what happened, but their "black boxes" were never recovered.

There are only a few poor quality frames of the aircraft crashing into the Pentagon, but you can't actually see an aircraft at all. Furthermore, the events surrounding the final moments of Flight 77 are suspect.

Flight 93 has the least physical evidence associated with it, and some frankly dubious witness accounts, too.

The NTSB would have been wanting to re-construct that aircraft in particular, to determine if it broke up in flight or after impact. As obvious as the outcome seems, and whilst it was hijacked and subsequently crashed, they still investigate to determine what actually happened.

I cite Lockerbie as an example. It was blown up by Libyan terrorists in 1989 over a small Scottish town. Despite that, they still spent the best part of 2 years rebuilding the wreckage to figure out just what happened to it. The same would be true for Flight 93 (and the others).

That this didn't happen however is yet another mystery in itself.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]




posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
I agree with the post above!

Remember the document outlining "Operation Northwoods"? You might laugh, but that document was very real, even if the intentions (at that time) to execute the plan weren't. The point is it demonstrates what they were thinking, even back then, to initiate something they wanted to happen.




Here is a clipping from Operation Northwoods

*"Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba."

Among the most elaborate schemes was to "create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:

An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack." It was a particularly believable operation given the decade of shoot downs that had just taken place.
www.whatreallyhappened.com...



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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What about the phone calls the victims families received? You have never quite addressed that Ivan.

Any ideas?

Thanks



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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What about them. This is the thread about how the crater was proven impossible to be made by a boeing 757.

If you want to exercise your futile tactics, try opening your own thread.


[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 06:46 AM
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This is about flight 93 i thought. Another "nail in the coffin". You are claiming that a plane didn't crash in shanksville. I was presenting evidence to show otherwise.

Will you address this evidence?



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by IvanZana
 


This is about flight 93 i thought. Another "nail in the coffin". You are claiming that a plane didn't crash in shanksville. I was presenting evidence to show otherwise.

Will you address this evidence?



What you speak of is irreleveant. No plane crashed in Shanksville so all the other 'evidence' could just be staged. Fake. Planted. You kow. To sell a lie.

[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:14 AM
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hey have you guys considered that maybe flight 93 was shot down to stop it from hitting its mark and then it was denied so the goverment would not get tainted by such an action.

besides if it really was a cover up just do this:

Find the wife of that guy who had a cell phone and called her, follow her around for a while and see if she is who she claims to be

[edit on 7/16/2008 by razor1000]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by razor1000
hey have you guys considered that maybe flight 93 was shot down to stop it from hitting its mark and then it was denied so the goverment would not get tainted by such an action.

besides if it really was a cover up just do this:

Find the wife of that guy who had a cell phone and called her, follow her around for a while and see if she is who she claims to be

[edit on 7/16/2008 by razor1000]


1. I know the people who started that disinfo.

2. The crash site does not show any plane or evidence that a plane crashed let alonea broken up one from a missile.

3. see number 1.

[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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Oh thats right!

And your evidence to back this up is.........That's right. You don't have any.

Typical for all of your threads.

Are you going to tell the victims family members that they did not talk to their loved ones on 911?

That was all fake?

Or were all these families paid off in this massive conspiracy?



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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Like I said dear boy, thats another thread.

The experts and researchers have concluded that it is impossible for Flight 93 (boeing 757) to have caused such a small crater.

The crater is consistant with an ordinance.

Dear throat, you have not offered 1 piece of evidence that proves that flight 93 crashed in Shanskville. The" What about the cell calls" doesnt put a plane in the hole. Remember that.

To all people, Research Flight 93. Make your own decision.

We all know that your one of "those guys" that lives in 911 forums calling people who seek truth , nutjobs, kooks, etc.

Do those shill, agent provateur tactics still work?

[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Like I said dear boy, thats another thread.

The experts and researchers have concluded that it is impossible for Flight 93 (boeing 757) to have caused such a small crater.



You are producing yet ANOTHER false statement.

BACK IT UP or retract it.


Dear throat, you have not offered 1 piece of evidence that proves that flight 93 crashed in Shanskville. The" What about the cell calls" doesnt put a plane in the hole. Remember that.


I have offered pages upon pages of evidence. You are not seeing it.




We all know that your one of "those guys" that lives in 911 forums calling people who seek truth , nutjobs, kooks, etc.

Do those shill, agent provateur tactics still work?



Accuses me of name calling and in the same post...attacks me. typical.

Come one Ivan.. show us the experts that agree with you.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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Funny thing is you dont have to be an expert to know that no plane crashed in shanksville on 911. You just dont have to be an IDIOT.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:04 AM
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All of your evidence of a plane crash is worthless if you can't put a plane in the hole. If you think that 93 crashed how the OS says it did, please make a graphic showing how the plane made the crater, as Ivan has done on page 9.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:05 AM
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On page one of this thread it was proven that it is impossible for the Shanksville crater to be made by a Boeing 757 travelling like the Officail story claims.



Can you point us good users at ats the official 911 story especially concerning flight 93?

No 911 debunking.com or other stupidly researched sites.... OFFICAL SOURCES ONLY>



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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Why are you dodging the question?

You said that experts agree.

I have yet to see 1 expert in the field of air craft disasters agree with your statement.

You keep answering my questions with questions.

Back up what you post.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
On page one of this thread it was proven that it is impossible for the Shanksville crater to be made by a Boeing 757 travelling like the Officail story claims.



Can you point us good users at ats the official 911 story especially concerning flight 93?

No 911 debunking.com or other stupidly researched sites.... OFFICAL SOURCES ONLY>


Where is the expert that says a plane crashed in Shanksville? All I can find is Fox news and other MSM that states flight 93 crashed in Shansville.

Answer my questions please

[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Where is the expert that says a plane crashed in Shanksville? All I can find is Fox news and other MSM that states flight 93 crashed in Shansville.

Answer my questions please



you stated that experts agree that no plane crashed in Shanksville. YOU need to back up that statement.

But in answer to your question:


Hundreds of first responders and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw human remains, aircraft wreckage, personal effects, etc etc.- all experts

The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered and had usable data, all of which is consistent with the other evidence.- this was all verified from experts in FDR analysis.

The NTSB said there was a crash... they are experts.

The FBI said a plane crashed. They are experts.

The remains of every victim was positively identified by Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller. - yes another expert

Pittsburgh officials were on full alert tracking Flight 93
www.pittsburghlive.com...



You see Ivan, I listed several professionals, experts, and officials that know that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville.


Time for YOU to step up and show me an expert the does not think a plane crashed in Shanksville.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 10:09 AM
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Poor post once again. You failed to answer my questions and provided a link to pittsburglive news....... what's wrong with you?

Try again... strike 2


Provide links to official sources other than some news.com or get off this thread. You have failed to prove a plane crashed in Shanksville.





[edit on 16-7-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 10:14 AM
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Ivan,

I have offered you a series of several professionals and experts that ALL 100% AGREE that flight 93 crashed in Shankville.

YOU have shown ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! experts to agree with your theory.

Time for YOU to step up. You made the claim.. NOT me.


Post the names of the experts you claim said that flight 93 did not crash in shanksville.


Oh wait... your next posts will be a video or a picture. One of the ones you have posted over 500 times already.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
provided a link to pittsburglive news....... what's wrong with you?


Robert Full, chief of the county's Department of Emergency Services was tracking flight 93. That's why I posted that.

You asked for professionals that say that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville.

I gave you another one.

You keep up with your spamming of the forum and I will keep showing everyone the "mistakes" you have made over and over.



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