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Vigilante groups is a little dramatic, in my opinion...Vigilante? No, the predators come to them.
(EDIT: Underline & bold by me)
Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun
The predators initiate the conversation and they initiate the sex talk.
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:15:33 PM): Hi
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:16:19 PM): hi
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:16:22 PM): ru a bot?
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:16:41 PM): What do u think?
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:16:49 PM): i gess not
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:16:56 PM): Maybe
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:16:58 PM): How r u?
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:17:04 PM): kay u?
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:17:12 PM): Fine, C2C
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:18:00 PM): I am in San Jose. and U?
chicago_naperville (08/20/06 4:18:13 PM):
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:18:18 PM): sry
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:18:31 PM): 13/f/bay area
carlykicksbutt93 (08/20/06 4:18:34 PM): u?
Main Entry: fraud
Etymology: Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date: 14th century
1 a: deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
§ 352-c. Prohibited acts constituting misdemeanor; felony. 1. It
shall be illegal and prohibited for any person, partnership,
corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof, to use or employ any of the following acts or practices:
(a) Any fraud, deception, concealment, suppression, false pretense or fictitious or pretended purchase or sale;
(b) Any promise or representation as to the future which is beyond reasonable expectation or unwarranted by existing circumstances;
§ 170.15 Forgery in the first degree.
A person is guilty of forgery in the first degree when, with intent to defraud, deceive or injure another, he falsely makes, completes or alters a written instrument which is or purports to be, or which is calculated to become or to represent if completed:
I'm not sure about USA law, but here in the UK it is not illegal to portray yourself as someone else online, as long as you are not using a real identity. I could set up a website proclaiming i'm a 66 year old willow weaver from devon if i so chose. It would not be illegal unless i was using the identity of a real person, or i gave that false identity to an official source, the police for example.
Fraud is only illegal under certain circumstances and perverted justice don't seem to be breaking the law in portraying themselves as underage girls/boys.
If it were illegal to take on the role of a fictional person then roleplaying games and sexual roleplaying sites would be illegal as well.
I will again ask you, if one child is saved from abuse, isn't this acceptable?
They laid out the predators favorite meal and the predator bit, all that proves is the predator was there.
Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
Yes but in my mind there is just something a bit creepy about a group of adults that spend all their time pretending to be 12 year old kids cruising for sex online. I just can't help but think many of those perverted justice people are more than a bit odd, I have to wonder how many are older men that secretly like to pretend to be little girls/boys. Ugh.
In June 2007, Perverted-Justice was criticized following a sting operation in Collin County, Texas, that resulted in the charges against 23 suspected online sex predators being dropped. Collin County Assistant District Attorney Greg Davis said the cases were dropped after Perverted-Justice failed to provide enough usable evidence.
But when it came to prosecuting 23 men arrested by Murphy police in a sex sting with NBC news and an internet watchdog group, Roach said 'no.'
"We have questions about whether the arrests were even legal," he said...
...But here are the statistics. Some 286 people have been arrested in Dateline/Perverted Justice stings around the country. Some 103 of them, 36 percent have pleaded guilty. More than 150 have yet to be tried. They're still on the streets.
You have a point, but it could also be said that we are now aware of 23 would-be predators, that we may have never even considered to be a potential risk. Granted they weren't locked behind bars, but they have been put on the radar.
This group serves a purpose that would be tough to match.
In dealing with such a phenomenon, we need to be proactive and not reactive. And if that pushes the limit a bit, so be it.
People are innocent until proven guilty. The people the terrorist organization behind this go after have not been proven guilty of any of those things you've said. Not to mention dating isn't illegal, sex is (or arranging sex meetings or having sex talks, etc). Dating like just seeing a movie isn't illegal anywhere I know of.
Originally posted by Alora Don't want your face on TV while being accused of being a pedophile? Then.... gosh, I don't know... don't touch, fondle, rape, or try to date children. Duh.
That is incorrect. It was the TV show (in cooperation with police) who did the stings. PJ helped to set them up beforehand. They are also not a good reference, I'd trust NBC and Chris Hansen more than I would PJ.
Originally posted by elevatedone See thats just it, it wasn't the television show actually doing the sting. They were teamed up with Perverted Justice Foundation, Inc.
Actually they had not busted the guy previously or had him on the show. The 'Conradt' case they were setting up cameras outside his house which alerted him to what was coming so he killed himself. As opposed to, if the cops had of gone in immediately they could have saved his life. As a prosecutor he was a valuable member of society.
Originally posted by chissler If I read correctly, a pedophile who was confronted on the show ended up committing suicide? A man who attempted to have sexual intercourse with a minor whom he did not know, then got busted, then decided it was easier to take his own life than face the consequences, has his family sue the network in his memory and bring down the show?
I don't really think Dateline considered this type of stuff. They don't really publish a lot of information. Most people are not resourceful enough to procure the required information just by the names on a TV exposure.
Originally posted by Farzai Imagine being a family member of one of these sicko's. Through no fault of thier own, they will unwittingly be guilty by association. Unfortunate children and other family members also share the stigma of the sex offender. When these sting operations take place by police there is at least an umbrella of privacy for the unfortunate families involved, where as the Dateline show puts it all out there for everyone to see. Dateline is less interested in the good of would be victims than they are with the bottom-line; ratings. Considering the damage it can do to an innocent family, it's best it is off the air.
Close. It correlates with 'teen' however the issue is pubescence, a biological process which is not strictly numerically determined (whereas teenage is strictly 13-19). It can mean women as well as men. I am not sure how old one needs to be to be diagnosed with it. Furthermore it is not simply 'like' but rather, having a preferential sexual attraction, meaning you have to like them more than you due pubescents (teenagers mostly) or post-pubescents (adults).
Originally posted by _Phoenix_ Doesn't pedophile mean a man who likes young girls/boys, pre teen??? I thought catch a predator they targeted teenagers? Or am I wrong?
You have a great point. I wouldn't say it's 'victory for predators' though to be honest. I really doubt the more dangerous and manipulative predators were at any risk of ending up on the show.
Also doesn't pedophile simply mean a person who likes pre teen boys or girls? Which of course is a sickness which most probably around 95% don't act out on because they know it's wrong, liking young children and abusing is two different things. So shouldn't the title be more like 'victory for predators"