Hello all,

This picture more or less gives you an idea how our night sky would have looked like.



Saturn as sun, Venus as closest planet and mars infront of Venus.
All seeing eye anyone?

I believe Earth, Mars and last venus were burped out by Saturn in the different stages with earth being the first of these three and Venus being the last.


After studing this saturnian cosmology theory many mythological stories and ancient art like pyramids, cave carvings, statues etc. fell into place in my head.

A global tradition recalls an exemplary king ruling in the sky before kings ever ruled on earth.

This mythical figure appears as the first in the line of kings, the father of kings, the model of the good king. But this same figure is commonly remembered as the central luminary of the sky, often a central sun, unmoving sun, or superior sun ruling before the present sun.

And most curiously, with the rise of astronomy, this celestial "king" was identified as the planet Saturn.

Will continue this evening when I get home.

BR
PPL

well that explains our solar being binary, theres nibiru out the window then ha ha ha

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Velikovsky wrote a great deal about this from the perspective of saturn being a preemminent object in early ancient writings. Given that in today's sky most people couldn't even find saturn it doesn't seem at all reasonable that such a faint object would be so important and central to early writings... unless. If I recall correctly, Velikovsky's research pointed to Venus as the cause of the planetary re-shuffling.

One thing opposing this is that all the planets, except for Pluto (now a planetoid) rotate the Sun in the same plane (plane of the ecliptic).

If a planet was captured, it would likely occupy a random plane.

Being in the same plane suggests the planets coalesced out of gas and dust, into bodies, then captured and 'swept' up fragents in the same orbit over time resulting in the complete planet we see today.

Notice how Saturn's orbitals are at an angle.

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Indeed Immanuel Velikovsky talked about this and he deserves a lot of credit.
But he was wrong about the polar shifts.
According to him earth experienced two polar shifts.
The Earth never turned over. All life would have ceased if this had happened. But it sure looked like the Earth flipped over, the compass directions were interchanged, and the Sun now rose where it had set before.

This flipping occured around 3114 BC.
Why 3114 BC because there are many many referrences from around that time.

For example:

There is a similar problem with the Greek name for the lands northwest of the Mediterranean, "Europa" which means "land of the sunrise." This was certainly applicable before 3114 BC from the perspective of Greece. It is amazing that these concepts were extant 2500 years later.

Will post more later.

BR
PPL

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The stack of planets was seen by humans and recorded in the shapes of artifacts in the Paleolithic of about two million years ago, and as carved images in the Upper Paleolithic, from 30,000 BC, and by the hundreds of millions during the early Neolithic, 7000 to 3000 BC.

At about 9000 BC, the Earth also was captured, at first at the equatorial level of Saturn, causing months of darkness on Earth.
The periods of darkness are recognized by many of the world's creation myths, and were likely recorded in the illustrated glyphic books of Mesoamerica, references to which are made in Colonial period annals and documents.
Climatalogically the period is identified as the Younger Dryas, when Earth got as cold as it ever was for some 500 years.

Over the next 5000 years the orbit of Earth was progressively depressed and, between about 6000 BC and 3100 BC, Earth became part of this strange configuration of planets, a condition which provided long summers and a mild climate in the northern hemisphere.
Planets, including the giant Saturn, stood above the pole and close to Earth (but measured in millions of miles) and were taken by humans to be the Gods who supported them and for whose benefit they labored at agriculture and conducted trade.

In about 4200 BC Saturn dropped its coma (which had obscured Saturn and its companion planets), and in effect went nova. In a mass expulsion Saturn produced its rings and a new satellite, Venus, and lit up like a sun.

To the humans of Earth, who had not clearly seen the Sun for thousands of years because of the enclosing plasmasphere of Saturn, this was the start of creation, the start of time, and the first showing of 'the land' and its resident Gods. Saturn was called "the sun."

Very intresting thread. How did you develope your theory? Was Velikovsky your sole influence? I'm intrested to hear more.

I have always had a problem with the idea of a complete crust-slip pole shift ala Velikovsky. The density of the earth is just too viscous. This is a very interesting post. Please expound more fully on the symbols taken from the planetary movements. I like my symbols.

Umm,
How does a star transform itself into a jovian planet?

You have not really addressed that in your "theory".

Good imagination though.