It seems we live in a whiny society and you could put up "man says laws against child molestation offends his religious belief", and you would still get morons in here defending them. Sniffing dogs are just commen sense....period! "I don't want no dog sniffing my but, wha wha wha, boo hoo hoo", grow some nads allready, you take what our forefathers said out of context and use it to the extreme. Having drugs or explosives are illegal last time I checked, so you have no right to keep them on you, I prefer they don't stay on you....commen sense!!!!! See!!! BTW sniffer dogs don't snif your crotch and butt, they will only move in on you if you have what they are looking for, they are plenty capable of doing there job from multiple feet away. One visited my school one time and I swear that dog sniffed me from 30 feet away and knew my direction was the wrong way.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Lets see, muslims whining over a cartoon, muslims whining over driving cabs with passengers with pets or alcohol, muslims whining over dog's noses invading their crotches, muslims offended by an Apple store, etc etc etc.

A lot of Christian' whine over God's name be taken in vain, or Jesus being portrayed as a black man, or the state refusing to allow the ten commandments to be posted in public schools.

As for pets, they smell up the interior of the cab where others must ride and tear holes in the upholstery with their claws.

Alcoholic beverages are a given. Most people can't resist the urge to suck back a few suds during their ride. This can result in the driver receiving a large fine and/or having their medallion taken if they're stopped by the police.


[edit on 6/27/08 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by TheRooster

IMHO A man or woman handling a bomb sniffing dog at a Train station, Bus depot, or Airport is being a "prudent man".

No, he's being a state sponsored Nazi. He or she is willingly violating other people's rights without regard as to the legality or necessity of the action.

When innocent person get's hurt, you'll here the same lame excuses heard at the Nuremberg trials.. "I was just following orders."

I was going to bring that point up, glad someone else did. I remember reading about a time 60 some years ago a group of people using dogs to sniff out "troublemakers" and the populace going along with it. Using the tactic that if you have nothing to hide, there should be no problems. Back then it was the troublemaking Jews, now it is the trouble making arabs.

Originally posted by slackerwire



Lets see, muslims whining over a cartoon, muslims whining over driving cabs with passengers with pets or alcohol, muslims whining over dog's noses invading their crotches, muslims offended by an Apple store, etc etc etc.

Need I go on listing the incessant whining this particular group of people does?

Now lets see, I know a lot of muslims! Guess what? I have heard NONE of them complain about NONE of that, all I have seen is these people in the media.

If I were to follow the media like you I would assume all teenage kids shoot up their school. All religious christian people like to protest at soldiers funerals, that all black people are gangsters etc etc.

Don't you see that you are generalizing?

I would bet you MANY different people complain about all kinds of things including these dog sniffers, but once a muslim complains they put it in the media, and then people like you go "omg these muslims are all complaining again"

Muslims are BIG profit for media now, so the media will take ANY chance of finding something about muslims. Take that into consideration.

It seems we have a few different points of view here that have at least some validity. Those of you that have no problem with these "dogs" have strong points to back you up. The problem with your view is that you forget you are of the "thinking" minority and are willing to accept moderate security measures. Meanwhile there are hordes of Sheeple that will not see when things are going too far as you might. These same people are en mass and will enable the powers to further scrutinize everyone thus depleting our rights further because you are the minority and won't be heard. That's how we got to where we are now.

Those of you that oppose the "dogs" point out that if you aren't suspected of a crime than you should not even be looked at let alone "sniffed". The problem you don't recognize is that the policing orginizations have conceded that they have no clue who is a threat and who isn't. This is why we are all suspect. It's not the most comforting thought but it is reality.

I don't want to see this progress into something even more violating. Instead of complaining like most of you are, why not think of some solutions? You are all self proclaimed intellectuals, right?

Originally posted by shuck
The dog is not a "state sponsored nazi" lol the do just sniffs for stuff that creates a loud destructive bang!!

No, he's just an animal, his handler is the Nazi.

The fact of the matter is ...there are some real lunatics out there!!
Does it harm to have a dog get all excited sniffing round your legs...just so there might be a chance that this random lunatic..obliterates you and any significant other !!lol

Yes, it does cause me harm psychologically. I dislike them, and legally I shouldn't be subjected to their dangerous presence or noxious odor.

And if the dog picks up that this human is not right...so bites...

Better that just one gets bit...than loads get blown up!!

Pretty logical to me !!

When you get bit by one, tell me just how logical and safe it makes you feel..

Excuse me.

This news concerns british train stations and the sniffer dogs there. So why the hell is there a lot of banging on about 'constitutional rights'? Your constitution means jack over here.

I'm not overly keen on dogs sniffing me in 'private' areas, but to be honest if he's doing it to everyone around me too and actually catches somebody who intended to matryr himself with a nail bomb next to me, then you know what?

I'll deal with it.

You'll also note that the BPT have said that they aren;t going to change anything, just make their officers awar of “cultural sensitivities”. Know what that means? Thats the BPT saying 'F**K Off' to the whiners.

The first paragraph in the title is misleading aswell, having said that sniffer dogs can't be used on muslim passengers, it goes on to say the BPT will actually keep doing it, and completely glosses over the point of 'How the bloody hell do you detect who is muslim or not just by looking at them?'. You don't. You can't. You might use sterotypes, but thats plain ridiculous. I'm a white lapsed christian, if I were to convert to Islam are police officers and their sniffer dogs going to suddenly know I'm muslim and can't be sniffed?

Of course not.

That article is horredously worded and unneccesarily leading. When issue happens in america you can then talk about your unalienable constitutional rights being affected by it, till then, I really don;t think you can...

For all you "its my right" people...the 4th amendment doesn't apply in a PUBLIC place as far as a DOG is concerned. If your in an airport, train station, bus station, etc... there is no "expectation of privacy. Sure IN your pockets, or bags..but a dog walking around you, or even an officer walking up to you is NOT violating the S&S law. The only place you have THE RIGHT to expect privacy in public is in your car or in the bathroom STALL!!!

Hence why the SUPREME COURT ruled a dog IS allowed to walk AROUND your car to check for narcotics. Outside your car there is no expectation of privacy...so the same applies to your body as your walking through or checking through a PUBLIC facility...

No ones rights are being violated...just some people crying over something else.

I am totally against sniffer dogs too!

By law, the use of sniffer dogs can only be used if there is reasonable suspicion, ipso facto everyone in distance is reasonably suspicious which means eveyone is carry drugs or bombs until they are found to be not. Which means guilty until proven innocent which is the antithesis of common law. This is why anti-terror laws are contrvening our common laws and personal liberty.

Say NO to sniffer dogs, don't get used to it, don't say illogical stuff like if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. Dogs make mistakes and you'll be pissed off when you get treated like a terrorist even though you are not.

You have the absolute right to be regarded as innocent no matter what you look like, who you associate with or how you behave up until you actually commitment a crime! This concept needs to be re-established as an absolute right, anything less starts the steady decline towards thought police and thought crimes!

Spray your perfume on sniffer dogs if they come near, keep a sausage in your pocket and feed them if they come close!

[edit on 2008-6-27 by primamateria]

Originally posted by Solarskye
Don't carry bombs strapped to yourself and you won't have to worry about nothing.

Ah, the good old "If you have nothing to hide, then why worry" argument.

Do you enjoy the goverment wiretaps? What about checking your emails, cell phone text messages, what movies you rent, what books you get from the library, what charges you've made to your credit card, where you're getting any cent that comes into your pocket, what you view online, any deposits to your bank account, illegal searches through your home, your car, your life?

I can see how someone living in a country with no freedoms is ok with "If you have nothing to hide, then why worry," but I live in the US, where the goverment has to answer to the people, not the other way around.

I find offensive those who give merit to the notion that because a particular culture or religion opposes some otherwise fairly innocuous secular thing, the rest of us must conform to the more narrow preference.

I find the mere sight of marshmallows and the taste of undercooked pasta offensive, but I don't demand government protection from those things.

I'm amazed at how much further gone you Brits are with the nonsense I thought we uniquely created for ourselves over here.

It's not like these snifer dogs are being brought into people's homes. They are being used in public places for a public benefit.

Must be an anglo genetic thing....




[edit on 27-6-2008 by loam]

Originally posted by primamateria
don't say illogical stuff like if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.

Go look up the word illogical and come back and tell us how that is illogical. Seems like a perfect example of pure logic to me because you know it's like....true.