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reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 06:39 PM by Sonya610
reply to post by spitefulgod



Spiteful I have heard (and did not really believe it) that Muslims in the UK will kick at dogs in the street. I was shocked because I could not imagine how a decent dog owner would allow that (if someone kicked at one of my dogs because it was walking down the street it would turn into an assault very quickly).

Is that true? Does that really go on? Or is it very rare and mostly urban myth?


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 06:41 PM by _Phoenix_
Originally posted by Sonya610
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post by spitefulgod



Spiteful I have heard (and did not really believe it) that Muslims in the UK will kick at dogs in the street. I was shocked because I could not imagine how a decent dog owner would allow that (if someone kicked at one of my dogs because it was walking down the street it would turn into an assault very quickly).

Is that true? Does that really go on? Or is it very rare and mostly urban myth?

I have never heard of that happening, I live in London.


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 06:57 PM by spitefulgod
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Originally posted by spitefulgod
I can't protect my GF all the time as I have to work and my dog is well taken care, can be left with kids and will attack on command, my dog has a life to envy.
Any dog, even a
trained one, is not really safe to leave around unattended children. You should know that if you're qualified to train a dog..


Show me a dog that has attacked a child and I'll show you an owner who's a [SNIP]. My dog will happily play with and escort kids, as a child I was allowed out with my dog alone from the age of 8, maybe your argument may hold with bratty kids, untrained dogs and infants but I don't know of any child that has been attacked by a dog that doesn't matches the above criteria.

Mod edit: Removed Profanity

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Gemwolf]


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 07:07 PM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by spitefulgod
Show me a dog that has attacked a child and I'll show you an owner who's a [SNIP]. My dog will happily play with and escort kids, as a child I was allowed out with my dog alone from the age of 8, maybe your argument may hold with bratty kids, untrained dogs and infants but I don't know of any child that has been attacked by a dog that doesn't matches the above criteria.



You didn't read the article, did you?

As of 1994, an estimated 34 million American households owned at least one dog, accounting for a canine population in the United States in excess of 55 million. Most dogs never bite a human; however, under certain circumstances, any dog is capable of inflicting harm. The most common victims of dog bites are children, especially in incidents that prove fatal. Almost one half of all reported cases of dog bites involve an animal owned by the victim's family or the victim's neighbors. Most victims are involved in normal, nonprovoking activities before the dog attacks. For example, neonatal deaths resulting from a dog bite most often involve a sleeping baby.

Several dog breeds have been identified for their role in fatal dog bite attacks, including pit bull breeds, malamutes, chows, Rottweilers, huskies, German shepherds and wolf hybrids. From 1979 to 1988, pit bull breeds accounted for more than 41 percent of dog bite­related fatalities, three times as many as German shepherds.


Article

Mod Edit: Removed Quoted Profanity

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Gemwolf]


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 07:10 PM by spitefulgod
reply to post by Sonya610



My parents have had some instances but nothing they can't handle, a small minority of the 20something muslims breed dogs for fighting.

The part of the UK I am from is rife with young people from all races who thinks the world owes them something as a result of that as well as poor parenting the concisions of these individuals leaves little to be desired and I wouldn't put anything past them.

Not that I'm perfect I hate most things although I would never intentionally hurt an animal be it a spider or a dog nor would I care what non invasive monitoring the government put in place be it in a bus station or on the net, I have nothing to hide.


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 07:12 PM by Sonya610
Lloyd seriously, I would think those that have dealt with a lot of dogs would know a bit more about this topic.

Years ago I was involved in a Doberman rescue group out of Northern California. There were 7 or 8 of us, all women, one year we took in 175 Dobermans. These dogs came from all over, some were left to starve to death after their scum owners moved, some came off the street, near death from lack of food, covered with scars, god only knows what those poor dogs had been through. No doubt many of them had been abused.

Not once, EVER, did one of those dogs turn on any of us. We took them into our homes, threw them in the shower to bath them, made them go into crates to sleep at night, had them undergoe shots and vet visits and all sorts of stuff. These were not puppies, many were grown 90 lb males that could have torn us up badly if they wanted to. They didn’t.

There were only a couple of cases where the dogs did have problems in their new homes, and always because their new owners were stupid.

I have had a lot of experience with dogs, the only one I ever had a problem with was a pit bull saved from the ghetto scum next door, she must have come from fighting stock. She was a good dog too, but a bit psychotic, and that was not her fault.

Edit -- even the crazy pit never ever turned on me. BTW...as far as those that had her...they had best hope they never have to depend on me being a good samaritan. If their house is ever on fire in the middle of the night, and I thought they might all burn to death in their sleep, well I would probably come hang out on ATS for a while before thinking about dialing 911.

[edit on 28-6-2008 by Sonya610]


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 07:13 PM by spitefulgod
reply to post by LLoyd45



Train your dog to respect you and your family, I have no time for people who don't know how to control a pack, you should have a license to own a dog, these people give dogs a bad rep.


Edit:
And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.

[edit on 28/6/2008 by spitefulgod]


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 07:40 PM by spitefulgod
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Originally posted by spitefulgod
reply to
Train your dog to respect you and your family, I have no time for people who don't know how to control a pack, you should have a license to own a dog, these people give dogs a bad rep.


Edit:
And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.

[edit on 28/6/2008 by spitefulgod]
Here's an article you really should read if you want your family to be safe. I'm sure you'll disagree with it, but I hope you'll at least take the time to read it.

If a dog kills your child- it`s your fault


Yes I read "Her mom, Korey, ordered the 18-month-old pup be put in the back yard while she made a phone call." this obviously shows that she could not control her dog as she couldn't even keep it quiet. Both parents probably worked and left the dog alone for long periods of time, it strived for play time and attention, a tragedy indeed but the dog was merely playing a game it's irresponsible to have a dog if you cannot look after it. A trained dog could be to told to "STOP" either by a child or an adult and in a non threatening situation it will do so.


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 08:15 PM by Sonya610
reply to post by spitefulgod




I do hope you are not assuming that a "well trained attack dog" can be called off by an 8 year old kid. They may be safe with the kids in thier family but...errmmmm...a dog that has been trained to attack and express its aggressive side is not going to take orders from a "human puppy" when it feels there is a crisis at hand.


reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 08:19 PM by spitefulgod
reply to post by LLoyd45



A drug and bomb dog is not trained to attack I would think, a police dog is, it's a game to them and I doubt its easy for them to turn it off.

Anywho I'm off to bed, If I don't return then I've probably been mauled by my dog.

Sonya - As always your replies are entertaining and insightful

Lloyd - I understand were you are coming from you don't like dogs or having your butt sniffed but we all like a good argument and I think we've achieved that thanks for your input. Good luck to you and your family in the future and since you've got green fingers if you known how to stop my lettuce from bolting you can U2U me.
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