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posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Spiteful I have heard (and did not really believe it) that Muslims in the UK will kick at dogs in the street. I was shocked because I could not imagine how a decent dog owner would allow that (if someone kicked at one of my dogs because it was walking down the street it would turn into an assault very quickly).

Is that true? Does that really go on? Or is it very rare and mostly urban myth?




posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
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Spiteful I have heard (and did not really believe it) that Muslims in the UK will kick at dogs in the street. I was shocked because I could not imagine how a decent dog owner would allow that (if someone kicked at one of my dogs because it was walking down the street it would turn into an assault very quickly).

Is that true? Does that really go on? Or is it very rare and mostly urban myth?

I have never heard of that happening, I live in London.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod

That's a great link, my mothers guide dog (pictured below) is pitch black, maybe that's why those [SNIP] give her constant abuse for it at college.
People around the World fear black cats as well. We're talking about cultural differences, superstitions, and religious beliefs here.

Mod Edit: Removed Quoted Racism.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Most Muslims are very respectful of other people and their property. I just can't imagine one kicking somebody's pet, but I can see them politely asking you to please take the animal away from them if it jumped on them or sniffed them.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by spitefulgod
I can't protect my GF all the time as I have to work and my dog is well taken care, can be left with kids and will attack on command, my dog has a life to envy.
Any dog, even a trained one, is not really safe to leave around unattended children. You should know that if you're qualified to train a dog..


Show me a dog that has attacked a child and I'll show you an owner who's a [SNIP]. My dog will happily play with and escort kids, as a child I was allowed out with my dog alone from the age of 8, maybe your argument may hold with bratty kids, untrained dogs and infants but I don't know of any child that has been attacked by a dog that doesn't matches the above criteria.

Mod edit: Removed Profanity

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
Show me a dog that has attacked a child and I'll show you an owner who's a [SNIP]. My dog will happily play with and escort kids, as a child I was allowed out with my dog alone from the age of 8, maybe your argument may hold with bratty kids, untrained dogs and infants but I don't know of any child that has been attacked by a dog that doesn't matches the above criteria.



You didn't read the article, did you?


As of 1994, an estimated 34 million American households owned at least one dog, accounting for a canine population in the United States in excess of 55 million. Most dogs never bite a human; however, under certain circumstances, any dog is capable of inflicting harm. The most common victims of dog bites are children, especially in incidents that prove fatal. Almost one half of all reported cases of dog bites involve an animal owned by the victim's family or the victim's neighbors. Most victims are involved in normal, nonprovoking activities before the dog attacks. For example, neonatal deaths resulting from a dog bite most often involve a sleeping baby.

Several dog breeds have been identified for their role in fatal dog bite attacks, including pit bull breeds, malamutes, chows, Rottweilers, huskies, German shepherds and wolf hybrids. From 1979 to 1988, pit bull breeds accounted for more than 41 percent of dog bite­related fatalities, three times as many as German shepherds.


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posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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My parents have had some instances but nothing they can't handle, a small minority of the 20something muslims breed dogs for fighting.

The part of the UK I am from is rife with young people from all races who thinks the world owes them something as a result of that as well as poor parenting the concisions of these individuals leaves little to be desired and I wouldn't put anything past them.

Not that I'm perfect I hate most things although I would never intentionally hurt an animal be it a spider or a dog nor would I care what non invasive monitoring the government put in place be it in a bus station or on the net, I have nothing to hide.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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Lloyd seriously, I would think those that have dealt with a lot of dogs would know a bit more about this topic.

Years ago I was involved in a Doberman rescue group out of Northern California. There were 7 or 8 of us, all women, one year we took in 175 Dobermans. These dogs came from all over, some were left to starve to death after their scum owners moved, some came off the street, near death from lack of food, covered with scars, god only knows what those poor dogs had been through. No doubt many of them had been abused.

Not once, EVER, did one of those dogs turn on any of us. We took them into our homes, threw them in the shower to bath them, made them go into crates to sleep at night, had them undergoe shots and vet visits and all sorts of stuff. These were not puppies, many were grown 90 lb males that could have torn us up badly if they wanted to. They didn’t.

There were only a couple of cases where the dogs did have problems in their new homes, and always because their new owners were stupid.

I have had a lot of experience with dogs, the only one I ever had a problem with was a pit bull saved from the ghetto scum next door, she must have come from fighting stock. She was a good dog too, but a bit psychotic, and that was not her fault.

Edit -- even the crazy pit never ever turned on me. BTW...as far as those that had her...they had best hope they never have to depend on me being a good samaritan. If their house is ever on fire in the middle of the night, and I thought they might all burn to death in their sleep, well I would probably come hang out on ATS for a while before thinking about dialing 911.

[edit on 28-6-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Train your dog to respect you and your family, I have no time for people who don't know how to control a pack, you should have a license to own a dog, these people give dogs a bad rep.


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And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.

[edit on 28/6/2008 by spitefulgod]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Lloyd seriously, I would think those that have dealt with a lot of dogs would know a bit more about this topic.

Years ago I was involved in a Doberman rescue group out of Northern California. There were 7 or 8 of us, all women, one year we took in 175 Dobermans. These dogs came from all over, some were left to starve to death after their scum owners moved, some came off the street, near death from lack of food, covered with scars, god only knows what those poor dogs had been through. No doubt many of them had been abused.


The sad thing is, most people are kinder to animals than they are to other people. Why not help 175 homeless people and their sick, hungry children? Wouldn't that be a much more nobler goal? They're human beings afterall, and are worthy of a second chance in life too. That would make me feel better about my charity work.

Also, all people that live in the ghetto are not scum. Aure there are a large percentage that are, but there's tha 10-20% that only live there out of economic necessity. They'd love for someone to help them and their families out of the miserable state of poverty they must live in.



[edit on 6/28/08 by LLoyd45]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod



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And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.



Same with other animals too. Especially cats.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
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Train your dog to respect you and your family, I have no time for people who don't know how to control a pack, you should have a license to own a dog, these people give dogs a bad rep.


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And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.

[edit on 28/6/2008 by spitefulgod]
Here's an article you really should read if you want your family to be safe. I'm sure you'll disagree with it, but I hope you'll at least take the time to read it.

If a dog kills your child- it`s your fault



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45Why not help 175 homeless people and their sick, hungry children? Wouldn't that be a much more nobler goal?


Because I like dogs more than most people. I stated I have done charity work for homeless animals and you ridicule that. Hmmm.

How many sick abused kids have YOU taken in? Are you a foster parent? Are you out their saving the precious little abused humans? Or do you prefer to simply criticize those that choose to show kindness in different ways?

Edit oh and if you ARE a foster parent you receive funding for your efforts, heck it is a cottage industry for some. I didn't receive a dime from the government.

[edit on 28-6-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Because I like dogs more than most people. I stated I have done charity work for homeless animals and you ridicule that. Hmmm.
I'm not ridiculing you Sonya, I'm just saying if I had the time and money to help someone in need, it'd be another person. I love cats, but I'd never place their life above a human child.


How many sick abused kids have YOU taken in? Are you a foster parent? Are you out their saving the precious little abused humans? Or do you prefer to simply criticize those that choose to show kindness in different ways?
I have a wife and five children of mine own to feed, cloth, and provide for. My means are limited by this fact, but I still help out some of my struggling neighbors by helping in my free time by repairing their vehicles gratis, giving them vegetables out of my garden when it's harvest time, giving them rides to church, etc. I'm not Mother Teresa, but I do what I can.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by spitefulgod
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Train your dog to respect you and your family, I have no time for people who don't know how to control a pack, you should have a license to own a dog, these people give dogs a bad rep.


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And like humans, give your dog respect and it will respect you.

[edit on 28/6/2008 by spitefulgod]
Here's an article you really should read if you want your family to be safe. I'm sure you'll disagree with it, but I hope you'll at least take the time to read it.

If a dog kills your child- it`s your fault


Yes I read "Her mom, Korey, ordered the 18-month-old pup be put in the back yard while she made a phone call." this obviously shows that she could not control her dog as she couldn't even keep it quiet. Both parents probably worked and left the dog alone for long periods of time, it strived for play time and attention, a tragedy indeed but the dog was merely playing a game it's irresponsible to have a dog if you cannot look after it. A trained dog could be to told to "STOP" either by a child or an adult and in a non threatening situation it will do so.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
Yes I read "Her mom, Korey, ordered the 18-month-old pup be put in the back yard while she made a phone call." this obviously shows that she could not control her dog as she couldn't even keep it quiet. Both parents probably worked and left the dog alone for long periods of time, it strived for play time and attention, a tragedy indeed but the dog was merely playing a game it's irresponsible to have a dog if you cannot look after it. A trained dog could be to told to "STOP" either by a child or an adult and in a non threatening situation it will do so.


Here's an article about a man who lost his arm to a drug and bomb dog. This was a highly trained, retired Sherriff's patrol dog, not just a poorly trained family pet. Notice they say it could of happened while the dog was in service too! So are sniffer dogs really all that safe?

Man, 83, mauled by retired police dog, loses arm



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by spitefulgod
Yes I read "Her mom, Korey, ordered the 18-month-old pup be put in the back yard while she made a phone call." this obviously shows that she could not control her dog as she couldn't even keep it quiet. Both parents probably worked and left the dog alone for long periods of time, it strived for play time and attention, a tragedy indeed but the dog was merely playing a game it's irresponsible to have a dog if you cannot look after it. A trained dog could be to told to "STOP" either by a child or an adult and in a non threatening situation it will do so.


Here's an article about a man who lost his arm to a drug and bomb dog. This was a highly trained, retired Sherriff's patrol dog, not just a poorly trained family pet. Notice they say it could of happened while the dog was in service too! So are sniffer dogs really all that safe?

Man, 83, mauled by retired police dog, loses arm


Having found the original article, the dog had a history of biting people, again and ill trained dog.

"The dog had a history of biting people, including one off-duty attack for which Sumney was cited."



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
Having found the original article, the dog had a history of biting people, again and ill trained dog.

"The dog had a history of biting people, including one off-duty attack for which Sumney was cited."

That's what they're trained to do isn't it.. bite people? Well, here's a whole list of attacks by trained police dogs.. I guess they were all poorly trained as well. At the top of the page there's even links to an archive of such attacks..

You must be one hell of a trainer, if you can do a better job of training your dog than all of these professionals!

Repression and Police Dog Abuse

[edit on 6/28/08 by LLoyd45]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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I do hope you are not assuming that a "well trained attack dog" can be called off by an 8 year old kid. They may be safe with the kids in thier family but...errmmmm...a dog that has been trained to attack and express its aggressive side is not going to take orders from a "human puppy" when it feels there is a crisis at hand.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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A drug and bomb dog is not trained to attack I would think, a police dog is, it's a game to them and I doubt its easy for them to turn it off.

Anywho I'm off to bed, If I don't return then I've probably been mauled by my dog.

Sonya - As always your replies are entertaining and insightful

Lloyd - I understand were you are coming from you don't like dogs or having your butt sniffed but we all like a good argument and I think we've achieved that thanks for your input. Good luck to you and your family in the future and since you've got green fingers if you known how to stop my lettuce from bolting you can U2U me.





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