While I am not a Physicist I have always had contention with the speed of light as a constant and have over the years read and seen more than one thing that makes me question light speed as a maximum.

My bone of cntention with faster than lighttravel revolves around questions I have that are more dimensional in nature, it struck me long ago that if all matter or light is a wave form in multi dimension space, then it is likely that we have what a person would call a soul or spirit or , multidimensional side to ourselves..

IF this is the case, how that plays into rapid movement of a human form at greater than light speeds or through a worm hole or through a hyperspace scenario is something I really can't fully grasp, the energy needed would be enourmous..hurts my head to even theorize about this...

but in essence I agree fully that there is no reason to believe light speed can not be broken... my questions are what are the onsequences for living organisms? the exsistance of a soul/higher dimensional forms of ourselves and how does that play into the equation before all is said and done?

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

But in essence I agree fully that there is no reason to believe light speed can not be broken... my questions are what are the onsequences for living organisms? the exsistance of a soul/higher dimensional forms of ourselves and how does that play into the equation before all is said and done?

It's here where science and philosophy get intertwined! There's one puzzle piece in particular that physicists hope to pick out of the debris from the LHC's high-energy collisions.

Some call it the God particle.

That would probably explain many puzzles including the interaction with matter in quantum states.

As argentus had mentioned in his post above, why doesn't light, for example, have an acceleration period? It manifests as light speed without having first gone from 0 velocity.

A good observation. Reminds me of telepathy - instantaneous communication. But how does that happen with zero acceleration? How does thought travel? What particles are involved here? The electron might have a hefty partner that physicists refer to as the selectron. The muon might have the smuon. The quark might have the squark.

Heck! I'm heading for the bar to cool of some. My brain is fried just thinking of those exotic particles that may be involved here - from quarks and gluons, from selectrons to smuons!!

And by the way, I wonder when the LHC is going to be fired up?

Cheers!

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Actual physicists first reported that they broke the "speed of light" back in 98 or 99. No one believed them. It was replicated by 4 or 5 different laboratories in as many countries within days. Still no one believed them.

Why this was not the headline in every single paper in the world is beyond me. Actually, I know why, but let's not get into that here. It's the same reason that two different high school students who developed WORKING DESKTOP *FUSION* REACTORS didn't get headlines all across the world.

Scientists have slowed light down to, literally, a snails pace. This too, has been duplicated. Either experiment should have shown that Einstein was wrong, but no one WANTS to believe he is wrong.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

But in essence I agree fully that there is no reason to believe light speed can not be broken... my questions are what are the onsequences for living organisms? the exsistance of a soul/higher dimensional forms of ourselves and how does that play into the equation before all is said and done?

It's here where science and philosophy get intertwined! There's one puzzle piece in particular that physicists hope to pick out of the debris from the LHC's high-energy collisions.

Some call it the God particle.

That would probably explain many puzzles including the interaction with matter in quantum states.

As argentus had mentioned in his post above, why doesn't light, for example, have an acceleration period? It manifests as light speed without having first gone from 0 velocity.

A good observation. Reminds me of telepathy - instantaneous communication. But how does that happen with zero acceleration? How does thought travel? What particles are involved here? The electron might have a hefty partner that physicists refer to as the selectron. The muon might have the smuon. The quark might have the squark.

Heck! I'm heading for the bar to cool of some. My brain is fried just thinking of those exotic particles that may be involved here - from quarks and gluons, from selectrons to smuons!!

And by the way, I wonder when the LHC is going to be fired up?

Cheers!

[edit on 27-6-2008 by mikesingh]

Hey Mike nice post...
I always refer telepathy as advanced blue tooth technology. Just a thought... The ETs must be using their brains to pass their communication to each other like in blue tooth tech, they allow or block the access to their brain.

I think this is the field where humans needs to develop.. developing the power of brain... human body is a amazing machine. we need to learn how to control it and thats where spritualism comes.We ned to learn to use best part of our body... thats our brain


I also need to cool my brain... so will take beer

I think the "constant speed of light" hypothesis has always been the nub of the problems with SR. Examination of any number of textbooks makes it apparent that authors interpretation of what is meant varies widely.

With respect to what the speed is measured is never made clear. Often expressed as "speed the same regardless of velocity of emitter" or similar words - is completely ambiguous in meaning. Is the speed measured with respect to the emitter the same, or the speed with respect to the observer ? Are we talking about one-way speed or to-and-fro speed ? In fact only the latter is measurable but opinion often claims the one-way speed is always the same - which is surely impossible is it not ?

Einstein's 1905 paper actually uses (and needs to use) a speed of light of c+v and c-v in the "observed" system in order to derive the Lorentz transformations !!

Also finally, the well known Doppler effect demonstrates experimentally that the light must be travelling at c+v (blue shift) or c-v (red shift) as otherwise a universal constant speed would render any such Doppler shifts impossible !

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Also finally, the well known Doppler effect demonstrates experimentally that the light must be travelling at c+v (blue shift) or c-v (red shift) as otherwise a universal constant speed would render any such Doppler shifts impossible !

Right! That's very intriguing to say the least! So how come? Can a scientist on the Einstein bandwagon explain this? If light is not a universal constant, then the implications are that the velocity of light is a variable depending upon the relative velocity of the target object!

Cheers!

This may be hard to convince the scientific community that one of earths most brillant people could of been wrong. This will definetly motivate modern scientists to set the limit again, unless they dont accept this new information.

A good observation. Reminds me of telepathy - instantaneous communication. But how does that happen with zero acceleration? How does thought travel? What particles are involved here? The electron might have a hefty partner that physicists refer to as the selectron. The muon might have the smuon. The quark might have the squark.

Kind of reminds of quantum entanglement? or String theory? (why not speed of thought, through astral travel?) Strum a chord and the 'vibrations' will be felt instantaneously...anywhere. All particles have infinite possibilites, yet while one is affected, the other alters itself, for balance, for duality, no different particles or anti-particles, just one type of particle, changing it's colours.

I always felt light speed was an obstacle, not a limit.

nice find, flag!

EMM

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Food for Thought

Given that the speed if light is constant -

a. What constrains the finite value of c? Why isn't c smaller or larger?
b. The solar system is slowing down. The Universe is expanding. C is constant? At the level of logic, it would be easier to accept the c is constant if it was a ratio, but c is thought to be an independent quantity.

Begotten not made,

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i probaly have no idea, rotate a computer cd at high velocity and it will float depending on the direction of rotation clockwise or counterclockwise depending on which side of the equator you are on, north or south.
the collider, is used to collide or near miss two protons in an outer electron field, when this happens they rotate at high velocity. when thy rotate, they create a gravity or antigravity depending on the direction of rotation. clockwise rotation, north of the equator will cause the protons to collapse in on itself, causeing a wormhole thru space and time. the collapse of the protons bends light and manipulates the mass to make to far away points much closer. example, take a peice of paper put two dots on opposite ends fold the paper so the dots touch. this is part of what the collider does that they are exsperimenting on. you can go faster than the speed of light if you manipulate the mass. im an average jo on the street and that is my oppion.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Given that the speed if light is constant -

a. What constrains the finite value of c? Why isn't c smaller or larger?
b. The solar system is slowing down. The Universe is expanding. C is constant? At the level of logic, it would be easier to accept the c is constant if it was a ratio, but c is thought to be an independent quantity.

That's the point. Is c a universal constant? As Anon ATS mentioned above..

The well known Doppler effect demonstrates experimentally that the light must be travelling at c+v (blue shift) or c-v (red shift) as otherwise a universal constant speed would render any such Doppler shifts impossible !

Interesting! So that proves c isn't a constant? Does it depend on energy and mass? The equation says so. Therefore, if any one of the parameters is changed, can it affect the speed of light?

Cheers!

Imagine alien races who have an advanced knowledge of Quantum Mechanics, they could utilise its effects for instantaneous information relay, perhaps its properties could be used in some way to view the universes farthest reaches in "real-time", as opposed to the limits of viewing in visible light, therefore looking back in the past as we do.

And who knows, maybe even instant transportation.