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NASA, "Martian soil appears able to support life".

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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Flabbergasted" NASA scientists said on Thursday that Martian soil appeared to contain the requirements to support life, although more work would be needed to prove it.

Scientists working on the Phoenix Mars Lander mission, which has already found ice on the planet, said preliminary analysis by the lander's instruments on a sample of soil scooped up by the spacecraft's robotic arm had shown it to be much more alkaline than expected.


"We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future," Sam Kounaves, the lead investigator for the wet chemistry laboratory on Phoenix, told journalists.

"It is the type of soil you would probably have in your back yard, you know, alkaline. You might be able to grow asparagus in it really well. ... It is very exciting for us."

The 1 cubic meter (35 cubic feet) of soil was taken from about 1 inch below the surface of Mars and had a pH, or alkaline, level of 8 or 9. "We were all flabbergasted at the data we got back," Kounaves said.

Pressed on whether there was still any doubt that life existed on Mars in some form, Kounaves said the results were "very preliminary" and more analysis was needed.

But he added: "There is nothing about the soil that would preclude life. In fact, it seems very friendly ... there is nothing about it that is toxic."

The $420 million Phoenix lander touched down in the north pole region of Mars on May 25 after a 10-month journey from Earth. It is the latest NASA bid to determine whether water -- a crucial ingredient for life -- ever flowed on the planet and whether life, even in the form of mere microbes, exists or ever existed there.

Scientists said last week they had definitive proof that ice was on the planet after eight dice-sized chunks were seen melting away in a series of photographs.

Analysis in the past 24 hours of soil placed in the spacecraft's wet chemistry laboratory showed it to be less acidic than many scientists expected. It also contained traces of magnesium, sodium, potassium and other elements, they said.

When told the pH levels, one colleague "jumped up and down as if he had the winning lottery ticket," mission soil analysis specialist Michael Hecht told a telephone news conference.

"It is a huge step forward," Hecht said, adding the "wet chemistry" technique, which involves mixing Martian soil with water brought from Earth, was aimed at discovering what native Martian microbes might be able to live, survive and grow in the soil.

The mission scientists said levels of salt were reasonable and the calcium levels appeared to be low but they warned that the composition of the soil could change at deeper levels below the surface.

They also would not be drawn on what form of life the Martian soil might have supported.


Wow, its like my view of Mars is changing by the day. This stuff is REALLY exciting!




posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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This really seems to be paying off for everyone involved
All the information that is discovered just confirms my belief that
going to Mars and back and setting a base there could eventually happen.
First the moon, then off to Mars Tally ho !

Here's a link to the Phoenix missions page at the U of Arizona
phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu...

Heres a link where you can download the press kit and links to other Phoenix
related links
planetary.chem.tufts.edu...

[edit on 26-6-2008 by The Utopian Penguin]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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news.yahoo.com...

Very interesting indeed.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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No surprise here did anyone really believe there aren't microbes on Mars? I mean come on really....really.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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If anyone is serioulsy interested, I have lots of journal PDFs of Mars studies and data since 1990 to the present.
Just U2U me (or whatever they call that here...)



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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Ice, water and next will be microbial life found on Mars. We are being prepared by NASA as I have said in the past in revealing that primitive life exists on Mars. This as I have said in the past will be in increments of baby steps.

Remember what I said about the clay clumping together on Mars from the Phoenix samples this is organic matter holding the clumps together watch and see. Rik Riley



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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I bet the first life they find on Mars is spiders. No way spiders came from Earth, they simlpy have to be aliens.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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I hate to do it, but if you're digging Mars info you might enjoy this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I think people need to see thsi stuff without being told what they're seeing...



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 01:29 AM
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Yesssssssss!

When I read this, all the hairs on my scalp and forearms just stood up.

Wonderful, wonderful news.

My personal belief (and hope) is that life infests the universe. Not necessarily Earthlike life, but this discovery makes me feel I might possibly be right, and it makes me very, very happy.

Scamandrius in ecstasy.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Short video on Yahoo! News

www.yahoo.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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This news has made my day.

Are we ready to go yet? Give me 15 minutes and I can pack and be ready to go to Mars.

I'll take any job there is. I would clean toilets if necessary. Just get me to Mars.

I am speechless..not typeless. WOW.

In my humble opinion this discovery will go down in history as one of the things that changes our lives dramatically. A major, major discovery.

Upward bound.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Flagged and starred.

Here's questions I haven't seen anyone raise on any of these recent Mars soil threads.

Anyone else remember the life experiments carried out by the Viking landers? Those experiments signaled positive for the presence of life in the soil, but NASA later said the "false" positive was due to something like very reactive hydrogen peroxide in the soil.

But now they're saying that "We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future,". In other words, the soil looks fine now. Why the difference? Is the soil being tested now that much different from what the Vikings tested?

Or is NASA just hoping no one remembers ...



[edit on 6/27/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
My personal belief (and hope) is that life infests the universe. Not necessarily Earthlike life, but this discovery makes me feel I might possibly be right, and it makes me very, very happy.


I have ALWAYS believed this to be true.

Life is the rule, not the exception.

We may even see evidence for this belief in our lifetime.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Dronetek
 


Flagged and starred.

Here's questions I haven't seen anyone raise on any of these recent Mars soil threads.

Anyone else remember the life experiments carried out by the Viking landers? Those experiments signaled positive for the presence of life in the soil, but NASA later said the "false" positive was due to something like very reactive hydrogen peroxide in the soil.

But now they're saying that "We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future,". In other words, the soil looks fine now. Why the difference? Is the soil being tested now that much different from what the Vikings tested?

Or is NASA just hoping no one remembers ...



[edit on 6/27/2008 by centurion1211]


Thats a really good question.


Maybe there is something special about the soil at the poles?



We may even see evidence for this belief in our lifetime.


The way things are going, my hopes are high for what we might find. This could be it!


[edit on 27-6-2008 by Dronetek]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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But now they're saying that "We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future,". In other words, the soil looks fine now. Why the difference? Is the soil being tested now that much different from what the Vikings tested?

As I recall it, the Viking landers were looking for evidence of biological processes. Pheonix is doing chemical analysis of the soil. Different tests. And don't forget that Viking was thirty-plus years ago. We have better technology now.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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As other missions to Mars take place look for other landers and rovers on the northern planes of Mars to find bogs of what we call peat moss decaying vegetation matter and moss with more of an acidic PH then the alkaline PH of 8 or 9 found in the soil near the Phoenix lander. Call it intuition Rik Riley



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by centurion1211
 


But now they're saying that "We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future,". In other words, the soil looks fine now. Why the difference? Is the soil being tested now that much different from what the Vikings tested?

As I recall it, the Viking landers were looking for evidence of biological processes. Pheonix is doing chemical analysis of the soil. Different tests. And don't forget that Viking was thirty-plus years ago. We have better technology now.


True, but my questions were about the soil which is being tested by Phoenix. NASA's theory about the false positives from Viking said it was due to hydrogen peroxide in the soil. Ever put hydrogen peroxide on anything organic like a cut on your skin? If you have, you know that hydrogen peroxide dissolves (would kill) anything organic. Hardly the kind of soil you'd find in your back yard, as they're saying now. And hardly the kind of soil that would be "life friendly".

So, IMO either the soil is very different in the 2 locations, or there's something being left out of the story by NASA.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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True, but my questions were about the soil which is being tested by Phoenix. NASA's theory about the false positives from Viking said it was due to hydrogen peroxide in the soil. Ever put hydrogen peroxide on anything organic like a cut on your skin? If you have, you know that hydrogen peroxide dissolves (would kill) anything organic. Hardly the kind of soil you'd find in your back yard, as they're saying now. And hardly the kind of soil that would be "life friendly".

So, IMO either the soil is very different in the 2 locations, or there's something being left out of the story by NASA.


true check this sorry in german language
spiegel.de
it talks about lifeforms (a mr. Schulze-Makuch)
they have hydrogen peroxide in there cells what he claims to be the best explanation for what the Viking mission found. He also stated the fact that there are creatures on earth what can produce hydrogen peroxide.

if this would be nonsense, and there is a lot in the net
, I'm confused because spiegel.de is NOT a gutter paper

sorry for my english


[edit on 28/6/08 by shr4n]



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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WHY ISN'T THERE MORE INTEREST IN THIS??!!
THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING EVER!!!
They've had a pretty good understanding of the Martian biosphere since Viking...
Anyway, here's a few images from a slideshow I made on Sinus Meridiani






Link to myspace, Mars: Sinus Meridiani Tour with MUSIC!!! yay.

profile.myspace.com...

[edit on 30-6-2008 by djerwulfe]



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Huh...djerwulfe, what exactly do you think those structures are, I'm wondering. For instance I found a skull of an unknown creature on Mars (picture is my avatar from spirit rover sol 006 pan cam).

Mine is easy to make out (eyes, nose holes, teeth, jaw hendge, etc..) but I keep looking at your pics and I'm not sure what I should be seeing.

Maybe you could explain?

plus your link doesn't work.




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