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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:03 AM by C.C.Benjamin
Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by Unit541


About 40% of the 17,000 yearly murders in the US yearly are NOT committed with firearms. That's a pretty large number and fully supports what you say. Deranged idiots will find the means to kill regardless of the weapon. Most of them can get illegal weapons, anyway. All an anti-individual ruling would have done is deprived the 99.99% of the 100+ million gun owners who are law-abiding citizens of their rights.

The one thing I think many antis also fail to realize is that if the 2nd amendment is struck down, what does that potentially do to your OTHER rights in the Bill of Rights? It would mean that the Bill of Rights has about as much value as used toilet paper (and its heading that direction already, it really needs no more help).

Believe me, anti's, one day the government will come for a right you DO care about and you're potentially making that EASIER by attempting to aid the government in setting the precedent of stripping individual rights under the 2nd amendment.



Only 40%?! You mean, MOST of the murders in the US are committed with guns?

Why make it so easy for them? If someone attacks you with a knife, you have a chance of disarming or fleeing from them. At least if they you are desperate to kill one another, it should be hard for you to do it, right?


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:13 AM by C.C.Benjamin
Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


I'm defending it because of my own experience. I live in a very, very heavily armed area of the United States. I have absolutely NO fear that my neighbors across the street are going to go on killing sprees. I have absolutely NO fear of walking down my street unarmed. Why? Its the reason you state: people are the problem, not firearms. Firearms are ingrained in the culture of this area and we know how to use them responsibly. There is no reason to remove them.

The overwhelming majority of firearms owners in this country absolutely ARE responsible enough to own firearms. Only a tiny fracton will ever use them in the commission of a crime. As the old saying goes, 200 million US firearms didn't kill anyone yesterday. Or the day before. Or the year before. Or ever.

Punish the criminals, not the law-abiding citizens.


[edit on 26-6-2008 by vor78]


You can't see how it could possibly be better to just have the public agree that it would be more sensible to remove the threat of gun violence then?

You don't seem to understand - one is only a criminal when one stops being a law-abiding citizen, and by then someone is dead and it is too late.

But I say wallow in your gun crime. It'll be lovely for you. I'm sure killing someone - which is what you MUST have the desire to do, at some level, otherwise you would not want a leathal weapon - is the right thing.

Anyway, please continue to hide behind "old sayings", as if they actually make the fact that tens of thousands of you are dying every year.


Also:

Fine, the gun wasn't legally gotten, but if there are no guns around to get, a school shooting is not possible - correct me if I am wrong! Having gun shops just means that the corrupt elements of your society (of which there must be millions judging by your outright fear over not being armed to the teeth) have even more opportunity to get these weapons into the hands of the nut jobs that use them.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:15 AM by vor78
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Ask these kids in Japan how much chance they had against a knife:

news.bbc.co.uk...

Oh yeah, that's right. You can't ask them because 8 of them are DEAD. The same thing happened at a market in Japan just a few weeks back.

Again, deranged idiots will kill regardless of weapon, as these incidents and nearly 7,000 murders NOT committed by firearms yearly in the US indicate. That number is hardly something I'd qualify with the word *only*.


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:22 AM by doctormcauley
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Guns prevent more deaths than they cause.

You have a gun phobia. Every time a state or city has made gun ownership mandatory - crime rates go down.

Criminals will get guns if they want them, as it helps with their work.

Taking guns away from law abiding citizens just makes it easier for criminals to rape rob and kill us.

You wouldn't be so timid if you had a gun. You would feel better knowing that you could protect yourself and others should a Columbine-type shooting occur.

All school shootings that have happened in the US - have happened in "gun-free" zones with illegally obtained weapons... see how criminals will get guns if they want them? See how they use them in areas where law-abiding citizens are forbidden to carry them?

I bet you are from country with garbage bin inspectors, curfews and cameras everywhere that is currently being raped by the EU and has forbidden the use of cameras in public...


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:24 AM by vor78
Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

You can't see how it could possibly be better to just have the public agree that it would be more sensible to remove the threat of gun violence then?

You don't seem to understand - one is only a criminal when one stops being a law-abiding citizen, and by then someone is dead and it is too late.

But I say wallow in your gun crime. It'll be lovely for you. I'm sure killing someone - which is what you MUST have the desire to do, at some level, otherwise you would not want a leathal weapon - is the right thing.

Anyway, please continue to hide behind "old sayings", as if they actually make the fact that tens of thousands of you are dying every year.


Also:

Fine, the gun wasn't legally gotten, but if there are no guns around to get, a school shooting is not possible - correct me if I am wrong! Having gun shops just means that the corrupt elements of your society (of which there must be millions judging by your outright fear over not being armed to the teeth) have even more opportunity to get these weapons into the hands of the nut jobs that use them.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.


As usual, you can't win the argument, so you resort to accusations and name calling. Again, I have absolutely NO fear of the gun owners in my area. I have absolutely NO fear of ANYONE in this area. That old saying is absolutely accurate. There are about 200 million firearms in this country that will indeed never be used in the commission of a crime.

The fear seems to be coming from YOU. Why are you so afraid of legal gun owners who never commit crimes?

You're right about one thing, law-abiding citizens are only law abiding until they commit a crime, but that, my friend, is a very, VERY slippery slope you're standing on. Try not to fall off of it.

BTW, the illegal gun trade in this country is already enormous and a blanket gun ban would have no effect. See Prohibition in the 30s for an example of how well government bans work on illegal black markets.


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:35 AM by Pellevoisin
To my friends in the USA, there is much about the majority opinion that reads like a Trojan Horse. Not being a US Constitutional scholar has not stopped me from opining before, but this time I think I will wait and see the legal analysis from Gun Owners of America.

I am sure the NRA will hail this as a victory, and lots of NRA members will shout "Freedom" in full William Wallace form; but I don't trust the NRA, and my gut instincts tell me that there is a very long way to go before anyone can rejoice over the securing of the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[edit on 26/6/08 by Pellevoisin]


reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:41 AM by vor78
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Then prove it! I've read your posts, you do nothing but make blanket accusations and pass opinions off as fact.

"The number of privately owned firearms in the US based on these estimates would be 218 million":

injuryprevention.bmj.com...

Are you honestly going to sit there and try to tell me that anything remotely resembling a significant portion of these *legal* firearms are used in the commission of crimes?

218 million firearms...11,000 firearm related murders. That is .005%, for those keeping score at home. AND...this is assuming that all murders are committed with LEGAL firearms, which is a highly dubious assumption.

So tell me where I'm wrong. You won't, because you can't.
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