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Originally posted by Dmsoldier
you try taking a pic of a obect that just apeard in the air whoknows how farup-moving??
With the internet as a delivery system and our governments able to monitor it using echelon and other methods, I suspect that they do have complete control over internet information distribution. At least when they need to. With all the money poured into secrecy on this subject, the last thing they're going to allow is an internet upload to spill the beans. Track the IP, close down whatever site had the offending material, and then trace the IPs of those who downloaded it. Though they would have to be quick about it. If they don't react in time, then the next plan would have to be put out, such as the debunking of the video as digital special effects. Not that any UFO video or picture has ever helped at all, no matter the source (NASA stuff, Greifswald Germany, or that Nellis test range video leak).
Originally posted by amantine
This question is one of the great wonders of UFOlogy. The confiscation argument doesn't work in my opinion. How does the government know you have taken a picture of a UFO? They can't know, unless they spy on everyone every second of the day, which is something I don't believe they have the technology or money to do. Within minutes you can have it on the internet and it's spread around the world.
When you have a government that lies to the public about UFOs, it could just as easily charge somebody falsely for a crime and take their computer without even admitting to the UFO aspect of the computer removal.
Originally posted by amantine
Heelstone, your idea only works when you have an omnipotent organisation that never makes a mistake. That would also have to kill or silence in another way anyone involved. Wouldn't we by now have heard a story of someone who downloaded an UFO picture and had his computer confiscated? Why are there all those UFO pictures on this and other sites that have not been taken offline by the government? It would seem to me that these are the most easy to find.
NORAD publicly admits to being able to and actually performs the tracking of orbital debris. Thousands of objects (I've read anywhere from 8 to 100 thousand objects) that they have said so far and anything that is over 10 centimeters in size. And that is what they publicly admit to doing. The word debris can be easily replaced with UFOs.
Those spy satellites are made for spying the ground. I don't think the lenses are made for seeing things sharp a few km above the surface. Also clouds could hide the UFOs.
When the average person does anything online, I doubt encryption enters into the picture. Almost never do people of any interest in UFOs or conspiracy in general manage to capture an image of a UFO. The chance that a computer geek that would recognize the need for encryption on UFO material would be quite minute. Let alone such a geek that would take the best evidence ever. More than likely such evidence would be taken by a soccer mom or other common types that happen to have a camera. Generally these types of people have no clue that there is any possibility that the government could stop them from producing it for public consumption.
Encryption is a possibility for spreading UFO pictures if you don't want the government to find it. I highly doubt Echelon has the capabilities to decrypt a file encrypted ten times with the highest encryption standard available within considerable time. Unless you believe in an omnipotent organisation, then everything is possible.
I doubt the government kills anybody who isn't one of their own. Death threats work well enough as it is on people. Take Roswell for example. We didn't hear about the death threats that the townsfolk of Roswell and the surrounding areas got until 30+ years later when Stanton Friedman started looking into the subject.
Originally posted by amantine
You surely can't believe the government kills everyone that has downloaded a UFO picture of high enough quality. That would not go noticed. If the government only confiscates computers, why haven't we heard from people whose computer was taken because of UFO pictures? We would also have heard by now from government officials who blow the whistle.
I'm sure that for the most part, this particular method works. Denial has been the policy since 1947 and its quite effective. There is the chance that a UFO event could cause problems though and I don't think they would ignore that possibility. If the government takes this threat so seriously as to deny it outright in the face of other evidence, I'm sure they sweat bullets any time new information comes out.
I think that even if the government knows what UFOs are and if they are really trying to hide it, they will not go hunting the internet and people's homes for pictures. Just ignore it and if the general public finds out, call it a fake. Who cares what a bunch of internet forum posters without any real powers think about UFO pictures? Giving the issue attention would only show that there is definately something interesting to it and I think that this would be what the government would want to avoid.
Originally posted by heelstone
With the best evidence being confiscated by the U.S. government, like Roswell and other crashes, air craft gun camera footage, and NASA footage (like Joseph Walker's X-15 films he admitted to), I am sure that all the best civilian footage is confiscated as well.
There is also the problem of photographing or filming something you aren't expecting and trying to get a good shot of it when its thousands of feet in the air. I would suspect pretty much nobody thinks they are going to see a UFO. When they do see one, most don't
have a camera. When they have a camera, they most likely aren't going to have a UFO that is right next to them or that will sit still to allow a picture. So you end up with mostly bad pictures.
There is also the case of the November 2000 Bonsall Derbyshire England UFO video depicting a 3-mile wide UFO. It apparently was so convincing that a U.S. TV producer bought it for $20,000, but nobody has heard anything about it since. Cover up? Nobody knows.
And then there are cases that have great footage that cause little uproar or controversy. Stuff like the incredible Greifswald Germany UFO videos shot by at least four different people at different locations.