Obama online birth certificate - A now confirmed fake

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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you are putting a spin on it, she never verified it was real, she said she couldn't look into it more unless Obama gave her permission (oh dear, who wants to bet on whether THAT will happen?

i would say that the combination of her saying that they DON'T issue them electronically, and the fact that most scanners aren't capable of SHOWING a raised seal, points to it being a fake (whether or not he actually was born in hawaii is speculation at this point) it's obvious on multiple levels that whatever he is trying to pass off as a real document is not indeed what he says it is.


and just to clarify, when i am talking about the seal, on the copy he has there is a "stamped" seal there, and not a raised seal... that is major Red flag IMO. on my CALIFORNIA ABSTRACT OF BIRTH (which is the same damn form we are talking about here) i don't have a stamped seal, it's a raised gold leaf looking kind of seal.


[edit on 6/26/08 by SRTkid86]

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

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Point 1 seems fine to me.

2, I'm still not convinced, but that explanation is the best.

3 is hard to do but doesn't really prove it's fake anyway.


So we have the case of the missing stamp. Now we just need an expert in imaging.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Johnmike]

Okay, let's sum up. Jim Geraghty:



This is not a confirmation that the document is genuine. Ms. Okubo is the Health Department spokesperson and it's unlikely that she has seen the original document. She states that it is "exactly the same" as a Hawaii CoLB, with "all the components".



The seal is "embossed" because it is created by a hand-held devise that embosses the paper. It cannot be "on the back" or on the front of the document. But that could be chalked up to Ms. Okubo not really thinking that through as she answered questions over the phone.

The remaining point of interest is the absence of the stamp and registrar signature.

While the embossed seal may be invisible to the scanner that produced the image we see on Obama's website, the stamp and signature should be as plainly visible as the date stamped on the back of the document. But this is missing.

See my post on the bottom of page 4.

Edited to add link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Aah but, BH, perhaps Ms. Okubo made that assessment based only on the document's appearance. Did she notice at the time that a 2007 date stamped on the back was visible, but not a stamp with registrar signature? Hmm...

What would it take to prove that it's valid to you? The claim is made. It's from the person's mouth. She said it's valid.

What if she's a space alien? Hmmm?

You guys are a piece of work!

First its proven!!! HERES PROOF ITS FAKE


then its






uhh....well...
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you cant prove that its NOT fake *sticks out tongue*



you gota laugh, really do.

The lady said its authentic. Until she herself, comes out and says "i was wrong, its not valid" then you have no case.

Sorry.

If you are saying she said anything other than "its valid" then you are putting words in her mouth to validate your own eager-beaver opinion.

Click here for more information.

This. Anyone have anything to add? Why this is absent? The fact that this is missing seems to make it a suspect for forgery.

And that doesn't include an idiot screaming "but she said it looked valid!" Thanks, amigos.

Ah, the first lib tactic when they have no defense for one of Obama's latest scew-ups is often - shoot the messenger.

Although, in sympathy, about the only thing they could try to say on this one is something about how it's not important in the larger scope.

What's next, the dems will attempt to defend Obama by saying that the Republicans also forge birth certificates?

Are the obamaphiles getting tired yet of defending their poor excuse for a candidate yet?

Nice work.
As I said before this was simply another approach to the same game.

This sort of speculative mudslinging being passed off as truth is a dead-end.
No matter what level of proof is provided, those that wish to continue to sow the seeds of libelous doubt will find yet ANOTHER way to present this same story in a different way. It's verified by the Hawaii Department of Health but now the speculation goes into whether or not they actually saw the correct version? That they are in other words incompetent. Had they said it was fake that would have been readily accepted as fact.

Give it up guys. Obama IS AN American. Deal with it, and move on.
Stop reaching and base your claims on facts not paranoid and delusional fantasy.

The title of this thread should be changed.

This is not a confirmation that Obama is not an American, just another confirmation that there are many sad attempts to prejudice the public that have no basis in reality.

I look forward to the next whopper.

- Lee

reply to post by jetxnet

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israeliinsider? You mean the same news agency that claims Obama's brother claimed he's a Muslim, even though it was later proven that he never told them this?

Yeah, I'll be sure to take the news article as 100% truth with no questions asked.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by DJMessiah]

Greetings, sports fans. At 8:54pm EDT I have recieved a response from Janice Okubo to my email of last evening. (For the purpose of this report I am substituing my ATS name for my real name.)

First, here is my original email :



Here is Ms. Okubo's response:



And, finally, here is the attachment of the email she sent to Reuven Koret of IsraeliInsider.com: (I've lopped off the introduction and will begin with Mr. Koret's questions and Ms. Okubo's replies.)



(Edit to change color.)

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Tuning Spork]

So, where do we stand now? Let's see...

As for the questions in my original email, Israeli Insider's quotes are accurate; those are Ms. Okubo's words. And as for the seal and registrar signature not appearing to be present, she offers no opinion and suggests directing that question to the Obama campaign and/or their website people to determine why that is.

But it seems to me that since the June 2007 date that's stamped on the reverse is visible, the stamp and signature should also be visible. This doesn't appear, on it's face, to be a "resolution of the image" issue.

Israeli Insider asked her on what she based her opinion, as reported by the St Petersburg Times, that the document was "real". Was it based solely on viewing the posted document or did she check the originals? Ms. Okubo did not answer the question, instead noting that there are proper channels for varifying vitals documents and an email with a third party with no direct interest in the information is not one of them.

As for the difference between a "birth certificate" and a "certificate of live birth", she says quite plainly that "a certificate of live birth is a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii." The possibility that there may be a more elaborate birth certificate -- one that includes what most would consider "normal" details such as parents' address, child's birth weight, etc -- is left open, imo.

The document seems to be valid, with all of "its component parts" in place, except for the stamp and registrar signature. And, as she said, "in the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

So there we are, just where we were.

First of all, TS, thank you for the work you did and for being forthcoming with the results.



You know... I agree. Those who doubt the validity of this document for some reason that I cannot explain, other than the fact that it was planted as a suggestion by people with an agenda, are right where they were, as no amount of evidence will apparently change their minds. And we, who have no reason to doubt it are right where we were, still having no reasonable motive to think that there are shenanigans going on.

I just wonder... what is the reason for doubting it? What is the suspicion? Why has no one ever looked at another president's birth certificate with even close to this amount of scrutiny?



We have seen how high quality scanners purposely use lighting to remove any sign of folds (like an embossed seal). The registrars signature was made by a human so there's no reason we would see that. And the date we are seeing was obviously stamped with dark ink that's showing through the document, perhaps even being stamped with a lot of pressure, as one would stamp a document.

I honestly believe we could post a certified film of the Hawaiian hospital and Obama being born and some people would still find a way of saying that it's not good enough.

It's mind-boggling, in my opinion, for ATS members to think that the US government wouldn't check this kind of thing. Sometimes I think the tin hats are a bit tight.

You are right. They have come to believe, without any evidence whatsoever, that his birth certificate will say he was born in Kenya, was born with the name Barry, his middle name is Muhammed, and his "birth religion" is Muslim. There is no evidence, anywhere, for this. And because the proof presented does not say this, they will not accept it. They will say it's fake, not official, or that officials have been bribed. They continually move the goal-posts because it does not fulfill their racist fantasies.

And yes, I say they are racist fantasies. Because he has a funny-sounding name, because he is not white, because his father was a lapse Muslim, they are scrutinizing this to the point of obsession. They want to find something related to his birth that would (they mistakenly believe) would disqualify him from the presidency.

When asked why they are so obsessed, they refuse to answer. Because they know their reasons are racist.



Again, true. They would question the doctor's race ("There were no Hawaiian doctors in Hawaii in 1962!), they would question how much his mother was sweating, or the thread count of the sheets on the bed.



It doesn't speak well to their intelligence that they don't think Clinton or McCain would have already checked this out.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]

reply to post by jetxnet

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Wow you guys did it you figured it out. Obama's birth certificate is a fake. You guys on a message board figured out what Mccain could not. its perfectly reasonable to believe that if obama had a fake birth certificate , that the MCcain camp wouldnt have figured it out. they are only spending millions to beat him in a campaign



Im just waiting for the obamas a reptilian thread

reply to post by obamafan14

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Do you realize that McCain and Obama are puppets of the same master? It doesn't matter which of them is elected, so it's not like they are going to dig up dirt on each other.

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