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Obama online birth certificate - A now confirmed fake

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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And where do you think the term "African/American" came from? An African who lives in America.

Uh .. no. An AMERICAN who lives in America who has african ancestors.



can you not allow for the possibility that in 1961, in the progressive state of Hawaii,


1 - what is 'progressive' about listing a continent instead of a race?

2 - The GOV'T decides what is listed .. not me. I don't care how they determine what is a race and what isn't. Take it up with them that they say a continent isn't a race.

3 - I already 'allowed for the possibility' that someone in Hawaii didn't know how to do their job and listed by continent instead of by race. Did you skip over that? It's improbable that they did it wrong, but it's possible.

4 - African does NOT equate with black. Africa is a multi-racial continent.




posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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its funny, flyers

you say "african" isnt a race

but i bring up the other birth certificate listing "hawaiian" as a race
and you dont respond



double standards are so funny



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The certificate of birth that's floating on the internet is a fake.


What exactly do you mean by "fake"? I have seen no proof that it's fake.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Where IS your partner, ...

Be happy. I gave YOU top billing. Tweedle-dee to his tweedle-dum.
In respect for your many years of ATSing ...



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
you say "african" isnt a race

It's not. It's a continent.


but i bring up the other birth certificate listing "hawaiian" as a race
and you dont respond

I didn't catch that. Where did you post it?


double standards are so funny

:shk: I didn't see it. Where is it? Please post a link.

Ladies and gentlemen .. try to get it through your heads .. I DO NOT TELL THE GOVERNMENT what a race is and what isn't. THEY decide. THEY have their meetings and print their forms. THEY decided (and rightly so) that Africa is a continent and not a race. If the gov't of Hawaii decided that Hawaiian was a race, then that's THEIR decision. I have no say in what they do or don't do.


Edited IMMEDIATELY to fix a quote


[edit on 6/26/2008 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What exactly do you mean by "fake"? I have seen no proof that it's fake.

Oh please. BH ... there are threads all over this board giving proof and showing how it's fake. If you can't see them, then smoke from all that hope-ium you are smoking must be getting really thick right about now.

Bottom line - Africa is NOT a race. The gov't does NOT call African a race.
Negro. Negroid. Black. And now the PC police have pushed through African-American. But both now and back when obama was born, African was not a race.

geeeeeeeze .... take up the race labels with the gov't.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by SRTkid86
what they are saying is that it LOOKS like a fake, and the person in charge of issuing birth certificates SAYS that they don't issue them electronically and that right there means it's FAKE.

holy crap you people just won't accpet the truth sometimes...


You and Flyers Fan are the only ones not accepting the truth.

Janice Okubo has confirmed that it is real. See my previous post in this thread for the source. The National Review is also saying it is real.

It is real. Confirmed. End of story.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Oh please. BH ... there are threads all over this board giving proof and showing how it's fake. If you can't see them, then smoke from all that hope-ium you are smoking must be getting really thick right about now.


Janice Okubo is confirming it is a "valid Hawaii state birth certificate." This has already been posted in this thread, FlyersFan. But you have chosen to ignore the truth.

It is real. Accept it.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

I didn't catch that. Where did you post it?

:shk: I didn't see it. Where is it? Please post a link.





ROFL you're kidding me, right?

first of all, the post is here

secondly - dont tell me you didnt see it. You quoted me from that very post Here

dude, if you're going to lie and try to trick people, maybe you should practice a bit more



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Janice Okubo is confirming it is a "valid Hawaii state birth certificate."

Savior .. buddy ... that's impossible.
It's NOT a birth certificate. It's a certificate of birth.
Those are two VERY different documents.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
dude,

I'm a girl.


if you're going to lie and try to trick people,

I didn't lie. I don't need to resort to tricks.
You seriously need to get a grip.

YOU said Hawaiian-Caucasian. YOU SAID THAT.
Not 'hawaiian' ... but Hawaiian-caucasian.
You did notice the 'caucasian' part of your statement, right?

Again .. you people need to take it up with the government.
They do not accept African as a race. It's a continent.
You don't like it? Go tell THEM.

:shk: lord have mercy. :shk:



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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It is real because we say so. NEVERMIND that it looks like no other birth certificate. NEVERMIND that it is not notarized and lacks any kind of raised seal. NEVERMIND that it bears no mark of the bureaucrat , not a signature, nor stamp, or anything proving a desk jokey fished it from the files of where ever.

IT IS REAL!! Now stop asking questions and support the American Federal Empire.

The president in 2009 was only concerned with keep his/ her power base. Obama and Hillary...

I am also surprised to see how radicaly loyal the obaminators are.... They remind me of Bush lovers... No matter what iron clad evidence you have of these peoples misdeeds, to there supporters ,they can do no wrong and to even suggest such a thing is to commit a libel or slander.

Never get too passionate over any politician. If they are in politics it probably means they have done some shady deals to get ahead.

[edit on 10/18/2007 by titorite]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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You're defeating your own argument

you say "african" is not a race, but "asian" is

you say "african" is not a race, but "hawaiian" is

then - you say "i didnt see your post"

2 minutes and 12 seconds after you quoted passages from it




that takes a lot of nerve.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Janice Okubo is confirming it is a "valid Hawaii state birth certificate."

Savior .. buddy ... that's impossible.
It's NOT a birth certificate. It's a certificate of birth.
Those are two VERY different documents.


No...it is not impossible.

Once again, here is the direct quote:


"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008, after we e-mailed her our copy.
This has been sourced in my previous posts in this thread.

They you go. Straight from an official's mouth. It is a valid document. It is real. If you have further doubts, why don't you call Ms. Okubo -- (808) 586-4442. Or email her: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov.

But you won't accept it because it isn't want you want to hear; it doesn't fulfill your racist and bigoted fantasies.

And no, they are not different documents. They are the same thing, one is long-form and one is short form. Both are equally valid. We have been over this. But again, you don't want to accept it because it isn't what you want to hear.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
you say...

No, Mr. Wiggin, I don't say. The GOVERNMENT says.

Try to get that to sink in. THE GOVERNMENT says ..

I happen to agree with them that Africa is not a race, it's a continent. You will notice that the examples I gave for Asian races say Asian- _____ fill in the blank. If you don't like that the government says asian-____ is a race but African is not .. then TAKE IT UP WITH THEM.


then - you say "i didnt see your post"

I STILL do not see where it says 'hawaiian' as a race.
You have listed 'hawaiian-caucasian'.
That's very different.



that takes a lot of nerve.

Actually, YOUR off topic personal insults take a lot of nerve.

YOU calling me a liar and a trickster takes a lot of nerve
especially since I STILL DO NOT SEE where Hawaiian is listed
as a race - but hawaiian-caucasian is.

IF it's on your post, I don't see it.

You've done this once before on another thread. You came off all insulting and insinuating ... off topic insults ... then you apologized and blamed it on the flu. Are you still sick?



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Oh please. BH ... there are threads all over this board giving proof and showing how it's fake.


To me, "fake" means that the information is not valid or true, that someone manufactured it instead of it being issued in response to a valid birth. That someone, other than the government, placed information on a piece of paper and they're trying to pass it off as official. You know, like a "fake ID" or a "fake driver's license".

That's why I'm checking with you to clarify what you mean when you say it's "fake".

"African" listed as race? That doesn't prove it's fake.
Can't see the embossed seal? That doesn't prove it's fake. (see my first post in this thread and the Digital Library Federation link)
Certification number blacked out? That doesn't prove it's fake.
The Israeli Insider??? That doesn't prove it's fake.

What one piece of information proves this is a "fake" TO YOU?



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by titorite
It is real because we say so. NEVERMIND that it looks like no other birth certificate. NEVERMIND that it is not notarized and lacks any kind of raised seal. NEVERMIND that it bears no mark of the bureaucrat , not a signature, nor stamp, or anything proving a desk jokey fished it from the files of where ever.


NEVERMIND Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the state Department of Health has confirmed it is a real document. NEVERMIND she has verified it. NEVERMIND she has further stated the stamp is on the back of the document.

NEVERMIND the facts.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex
It is a valid document. It is real.

She said it's a birth certificate. It's not. It's a fake certificate of birth.


why don't you call

Thank you. I'll give it a try. I'm sure she probably won't be answering due to massive volumes of call ins ... but I'll give it a try.


But you won't accept it because it isn't want you want to hear; it doesn't fulfill your racist and bigoted fantasies.

Pathetic.

1 - WRONG.
2 - Off topic insults
3 - Pulling the race card . or was it this race card ? Whichever. It's pathetic.



And no, they are not different documents.

Yes they are. Different documents with very different information.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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Yes my radical master yes.

But do tell me why we can see the time stamp on the back and not the seal? What color is the stamped seal?

Forgive me for asking but can you upload or direct me to a photo of what the seal should look like at least?



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:37 PM
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I understand, Andrew, that you love to rabidly support Obama. I would too if I believed in...well, if I believed in global socialism and bought into phony calls for "change," but that's your prerogative.

But stop trolling.

Seriously. You are. We're discussing whether or not his birth certificate is valid, and trying to explain certain discrepancies. Instead of trying to figure out why, you end up ranting like a preteen nitwit who got his mother insulted. I don't give a damn who you support, but don't get in the way of discussion and research with your bias, arrogance, stubbornness, and ignorance.







 
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