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Iran: Time running out over nuke issue

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posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 08:06 PM
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"Step right up folks! Get your fresh servings of Kool-aid, compliments of the gov, propagandcon, and the corpomedia! We must stop those pursuers of WMDs, just like we did with Iraq! Now gulp that kool-aid down quickly, and get behind this movement, just like you all did with Iraq! We promise, Iran is a threat, just like Iraq was! Follow us, we know what's best!"




posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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What, just like they continually threaten everyone with biological and chemical weapons, right? Because they've had them for years and so far, haven't been lobbing them at Israel.

Their longest range missile would have a hard time making waves in the med and as far as I can tell, could only lob 1 nuclear warhead, not the multiple you claim. Multiple warheads is another step beyond just having a missile.



posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by anotherdad
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Would you rather we wait until Iran has the weapons, fires them at Isreal who retaliates along with possibly us which causes another country to retaliate and so on or........Launch not a war but a strike at their reactors?


Overtly bombing Iranian energy infrastructure is an Act of War. And they will retaliate in kind. Do you people honestly think that if we blow a hole on Iranian soil that they'll fold like Saddam's Republican Guard? Are you serious?

Please take a look at this article before you assume that it will be "Just a strike at their reactors."

www.rferl.org...


October 22, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- As tensions with the United States rise over Iran's nuclear ambitions and regional security issues, Tehran has been flaunting its military capabilities and asserting its preparedness in the face of a possible attack.


In recent weeks, Iran has opened a new air base, unveiled new domestically produced military hardware, and issued defense pronouncements at a rapid-fire pace.

At a military parade on September 22 to mark the 27th anniversary of Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran, the Iranian military presented what it claimed was a new, medium-range ballistic missile.

he Qadr-1 appeared to be an advanced variant of the Shahab-3. A former director of Israel's Ballistic Missile Defense Organization, Uzi Rubin, noted that the Qadr missile "which appeared in the 2004 parade was then said to have a range of 2,000 kilometers."

If those and other reports are correct, the Qadr-1 is capable of striking Israel, southern Europe, and U.S. bases in the Middle East.

Just days earlier, Iran unveiled three prototypes of what it claims is a domestically manufactured fighter jet. The aircraft, called the Saeqeh (Thunderbolt), is the latest generation of the previously tested Azarkhash (Thunder) fighter jet. A joint product of the Iranian Air Force and its Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Ministry, the Saeqeh has been described as similar to the U.S. F-18 fighter jet. Iranian authorities say they have begun industrial-scale production of the Saeqeh.

Military commander Major General Ataollah Salehi has described the domestic production of the Saeqeh as "a warning to Western countries that threaten" Iran. He added that such countries "must know that while they are trying to turn other countries against [Iran] with their limited capabilities in the region," Iran "possesses unlimited technology" with which it can oppose those threats.

On October 9, Iran inaugurated a production line for the manufacture of a one-ton smart bomb called the Qadr. Fars News Agency reported that this bomb -- a variant of the Qased (Messenger) smart bomb -- is an optically guided, air-to-surface, long-range bomb that meets the Iranian Air Force's need for a powerful weapon. Fars' defense reporter added that Iran's "attainment of the technology for designing and mass-producing smart bombs with a high degree of power and accuracy is one of the achievements of Iran's defense specialists," and said the Qased is one such weapon.


Review this article, and then see if you can envision a scenario where Iran doesn't immediately respond to the attack itself, or respond in retaliation in Iraq and Israel using their modernized air force, and well trained, well disciplined, and well equipped troops.

People have this tendency to believe that Iran is some backwater dirt poor country with one toilet per city. This is not true:

Images of Tehran:












This is what we are facing, a modern society, with modern technology, and modern military equipment. These people won't be threatened into losing that. If Israel and the US attack, they will fight back. Make no mistake, or assumptions.









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posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by Pellevoisin
 


Ummmm... then wheres the oil?


I'm afraid you don't understand the corporate point of view. Big Oil simply wants to control the supply. Forcing the price up for something they are getting for a steal is another side benefit of being in control.

Big Oil controlling all of this has next to nothing to do with U.S. American control of oil. It is Big Oil that controls your current government.



posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by anotherdad
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There roughly 8% profit has maintained through the war. If they can produce it and send it to the market cheaper and don't then i will buy your story. This system clearly is broke, lets at least try another that we in the U.S. can control.



I find it hard to reconcile this 8% profit margin, and a doubling of the price. By doubling the price would that not now be 108% profit relative to the old price?

Who'se arse did you pull that number from?

Why would you believe such a number when it defys reason?

Surely you are not suggesting that they were loosing 50% before they doubled the price?



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posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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Get post, my favorite subject.

I’d like to point out that I hope it doesn’t digress to:

Iran’s evil and needs to be struck
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Iran has done nothing wrong, the U.S. needs to stop bullying them.

The reality of the situation is not black and white. The time has come and gone preventing Iran from having nuclear weapons. We lost control of the situation 15 years ago and did nothing then to prevent their development. We could have stopped it if we put pressure on Russia, China and Pakistan who supplied them with materials, expertise and support to grow their program.

They were originally developing their program to counter Iraq’s power. I guess, back then, we allowed it to counter Saddam Hussein’s power and influence in the region. Now, there is a new balance of power trying to be achieved but it is between the U.S. and Iran. Israel is our proxy, they have over 200 nukes. Iran balances Israel with support for Hezbolla, Hammas, whoever. Iran is always making inflammatory statements about Israel but, make no mistake about it, it is about balancing power with the U.S.

Iran is surrounded by nuclear powers Map; Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Israel. Countries on either side of it (Iraq and Afghanistan) are occupied by its rival, the U.S. Maybe we don’t want them to have nukes but the leader of Iran has a duty to protect his country and having nukes is a proven deterrent to invasion.

Whatever the Iranians say, they know a strike by them against Israel would assure their own destruction.


Air strikes alone will not assure and end to their program and it’s potential threat to us. There are to many sites, a few buried to deep for conventional munitions. This is a false sell like Iraq. No, if we strike Iran it will and must be followed by a ground incursion/invasion to verify and ensure the complete destruction of the program.

Ground war with Iran means war with Syria due to their mutual defense treaty. Venezuela has pledged defense of Iran’s nuclear program and is building an army to the south. Cuba, Nicaragua and Bolivia will play a part in some manner. Russia will be involved maybe even directly at some point. China, always the big wild card. Hacking, spying, maybe even shootdowns of a few of our key satellites may happen with them.

I’m a military guy, been following events for the last 15 years. This is a major uphill battle for us militarily. Could change our country and position in the world forever. I think they need to really work Russia and China with our economic “Soft” power a lot more first before opening us up to WWIII.


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posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 11:50 PM
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I agree 100% bro. The loudmouths in Iran are just freaking idiots altogether.



Originally posted by super70
These are just a few of the warnings and threats made by Iran in today's news...

"We advise you to take Mr. ElBaradei's warnings seriously and not to be after provoking Iran. In that case, you will face our predestined action and returning to interaction will become impossible for you,"

"a little time was left for having interaction with Iran"

"If we feel that you are making decisions unilaterally and are using negotiations as an instrument to justify your illegal actions, be certain that the process will change," he said. "This is the path you have chosen to step in and the responsibility of consequences will be yours."

"Do not add to the cost you should pay with making wrong assessments"

"be careful lest they face a new catastrophe."

and my favorite...

"Our last word is that if you want to head toward Iran, be sure to bring with you a walking stick and a pair of artificial legs, because if you do come to Iran you will no longer have legs to go back home with."

They also warned that any nation participating in isolating Iran would "pay heavily."

This all spoken by a country without a nuclear weapon to back up their world-terrorizing words.

So to anyone willing to let Iran acquire a nuclear arsenal, get ready to cower under your beds every night as they threaten your infidel country with annihilation. You think they are loudmouthed idiots now? Just wait.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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Same could be said about the loudmouths from America wanting War because it looks cool on FOX News....

Despite thinking this is just a blatant act of US bullying and Israeli aggression, I would like to see it happen, just so the war-mongers here on ATS actually see that Iran WILL give you a bloody nose.

It might temper some arrogance.



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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:21 AM
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The main point is that Iran will not 100% cooperate with inspections, nothing you can say will change this fact, if they do not let agencies inspect EVERY nook and cranny deemed needing inspecting, they are hiding something or making the pretense of hiding something, which is the same.

No more games, they signed the NPT long ago and got lots of incentives after the fact, hence the reason to sign it...

Now if they opened up and left every door open to be checked no questions asked right NOW and I do mean anyplace, no restricted area BS. And nothing was found at all that hinted at shenanigans. Then Im all for leaving them alone. But regardless of the 1 quote that was possibly semi misquoted. They are threatening the west and Israel without doubt, and you combine the shady dealings with inspections. I say give them 1 week to comply 100% which is more than generous considering its gone on for so long, or we are going to destroy anything even close to nuclear or military.

And for you that keep stating Iran is this force beyond what we know, Iraq was suppose the be the exact same thing years ago, exactly...Iran or any country would be flattened in days if we pull off the gloves make no mistake about it. But I truly hope it does not come to that and Iran gets smart and starts cooperating 100%.

They should receive NOTHING for backing down at this point either, other than to be left alone. The days of countries acting like this and then finally doing whats right and getting new toys or money is past. You dont reward a child for being bad, thats just bad parenting. So for Irans own sake it stops now. Iran its your move and time is a tickin.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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yep we can bomb iran but when thier troops flood into iraq and our troops on thier thirty forth tour run into them what will the outcome be?The fact of the matter is if they had nukes they wouldn't be out to use them. Only part of those people are nuts just like only part of the people in this country are nuts.The problem we face is somehow the nuts are the leaders of the countrys.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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If Iran wants Nukes, they can just buy them from Russia(or already have)....their both in bed with each anyhow....02c



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Why not let Iran inspect the USA?? Oh wait, they don't need to! haha, the usa already has nukes, and has proven to the world time and time again that they WILL cause war and chaos.

Who's the biggest threat here?



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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This guy says it like it is. Well said, NICE POST!


Originally posted by Wiz4769
The main point is that Iran will not 100% cooperate with inspections, nothing you can say will change this fact, if they do not let agencies inspect EVERY nook and cranny deemed needing inspecting, they are hiding something or making the pretense of hiding something, which is the same.

No more games, they signed the NPT long ago and got lots of incentives after the fact, hence the reason to sign it...

Now if they opened up and left every door open to be checked no questions asked right NOW and I do mean anyplace, no restricted area BS. And nothing was found at all that hinted at shenanigans. Then Im all for leaving them alone. But regardless of the 1 quote that was possibly semi misquoted. They are threatening the west and Israel without doubt, and you combine the shady dealings with inspections. I say give them 1 week to comply 100% which is more than generous considering its gone on for so long, or we are going to destroy anything even close to nuclear or military.

And for you that keep stating Iran is this force beyond what we know, Iraq was suppose the be the exact same thing years ago, exactly...Iran or any country would be flattened in days if we pull off the gloves make no mistake about it. But I truly hope it does not come to that and Iran gets smart and starts cooperating 100%.

They should receive NOTHING for backing down at this point either, other than to be left alone. The days of countries acting like this and then finally doing whats right and getting new toys or money is past. You dont reward a child for being bad, thats just bad parenting. So for Irans own sake it stops now. Iran its your move and time is a tickin.


I agree 100%, you DO NOT reward someone for doing what is right. It onlu encourages others to start playing that game.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:34 PM
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We need to stop treating ancient cultures like children we have to keep in line. This is ridiculous and part of the reason why the world is pissed at us. We demand respect from nation we openly refer to as children who need a parent, why should a proud old culture be treated on such a manner? why do we tell them they must do what we say or be destroyed? And if they do what we say we'll do to Iran what we did to Iraq and invade anyway. We can't blame them for protecting themselves, and offering the US no ground by which to enforce its global economic agenda. Israel is planning attacks and the US is planning to join them in the fight. Americans are diluted into thinking we'll just roll right over them. Which is just such a naive concept it hurts.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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the naivete on this board sometimes boggles the mind. we're terrorizing or the oil companies are evil or some other b.s. like that. Oil is a national security issue. Period.. Countries with a lot of oil -- the Middle East -- are important to our survival as a nation. I do not agree with the reasons for and the conduct of the Iraq war so please don't call me a warmonger. Our reckless invasion of Iraq has created a vacuum of power. How long do you think the Iraqi government would last if the U.S. just packed up and left? Who would control that nation? hmmmm? Al Sadr perhaps? A simple hand-puppet for the Iranian government. notice I didn't say Iranians. I said Iranian government. Citizens of Iran and the U.S. could all hold hands and sing cumbaya but that still does not nullify the fact that the U.S., Israel, the Saudis, Kuwaitis, etc. do not want Iran to have hegemony in the region. Iran is fighting a proxy war with the West through Hezbollah, Hamas, and by supplying munitions that are killing our troops. hate him for who he is but Kissinger was correct when he stated "a nation does not have friends, only interests". Protecting those interests (free flow of oil for you slow ones here) includes a call to arms to negate their "possible" nuclear ambitions. I do, however, agree with what most are saying on this board in some respects -- either way, we're totally screwed. once we hit $6.00 gallon gas we can all kiss our economy good-bye.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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Stumason,

There are many people in England with crap leftist views such as yours. This is one of the reasons why the country has deteriorated into such a toilet. Thank god I don’t live there anymore.

The more people view current events from a rose-tinted-glasses, politically correct perspective the greater that nation is susceptible to a terrorist attack.

Do yourself, and your nation, a favour: face the facts and wake up.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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I don't believe for a second that IRAN hasn't LONG AGO acquired, at least, a few nukes. There's been lots of rumors over the years of missing assets from the former USSR & even missing "sensitive components" from our own soil! I'd love to see the asset verification / lost inventory list. I'm sure it is more detailed than "sensitive components". Think about all the material lost over the years and the many successful interceptions of high grade material. Compare it to the drug trade... Out of how many attempts to smuggle product in does a successful intercept occur?

I believe the small taste of the potential they hold is whats driving them to not outsource their weapons any longer but make them at home and with haste as well as a thirst for one mother lode of a mushroom maker offensive line. One or two smuggling rings have been broken up and a few mad scientists revealed but what's the ratio of the caught vs still in operation? A LOT of people on this earth with the know how of all races / religions and intent. You could equate it to a Mercedes 300... There's at least one in every country but only those crafty enough and wealthy enough are IN THE MARKET FOR ONE and know where to look.

I believe, fully, that they already have a few at least. In fact I believe MOST nations with a GDP of over a few billion have at least one. Might be old stock but adjusting & calibrating the tampers/gun triggers/reflectors/gyros (or whatever mechanism they choose) here and there doesn't take a whole lot of effort when you have people that are willing to die or simply work a few hours to ensure they work.

The ultimate bluff is that IRAN knows they aren't taken seriously so they might be issuing real threats that they can deliver on. Let's not forget that there were traces of highly enriched uranium on the PAPERS submitted from North Korea recently. ON THE PAPER they printed their inspection / compliance reports on!

Lately I've been going through a lot more toilet paper, "tums" and dairy. LOL!



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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I have but one thing to say.

Iran is a well established country and has the right to defend itself if attacked - JUST LIKE US! Let's not send them back 200 years because were morons, ok!

I don't want that on my conscience.



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