Why the Space Program?, page 1
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Topic started on 25-6-2008 @ 12:12 PM by seagull
Over the past several month, off and on, I've been reading with some amusement, and bemusement, the various Moon Hoax threads, and now the Mars Hoax thread.

Amusement, because of the faulty, if not outright fallacious science being quoted as gospel, irregardless of numerous attempts to correct it.

Bemusement, because all too many seem willing to buy into the falsehood.

Anyway, that's not the real reason I started this thread...

A couple of nights ago, a question was asked on one of the Hoax threads about why do we need the Space Program, or words to that effect. They struck a chord with me, and I decided to get philosophical...hey, it's what I do . Plus I'm a points whore, and I"m hoping a thread of mine might actually take off...lol.

Why the Space Program? Why do we spend our treasure and resources going to Mars or the Moon, why crash a probe into a comet or into the Jovian atmosphere...why...why...why?

For many, many thousands of years, at least, maybe since our ancestors climbed down out of the trees in Africa, we've gazed in awestruck wonder at the stars above us in the vault of the sky. For not quite that long, we've wondered what are they? Were they other suns, and if they are, are there other worlds around them. Men died for expressing these thoughts, and asking those questions, yet despite it all...the question remained firmly rooted in the imaginations of anyone bothering to look up at night...

For the longest time, the stars were our guideposts on our journeys across our world, if such and such a star is here, we're headed this way. As such, they were and still are, our friends. On warm summer evening who hasn't gazed up at the stars twinkling down at us so cheerfully through the hot muggy air?

As they've beckoned to us on our journey's here on Earth, how can we ignore the beckon that urges, even pleads with, us to leave this nest and join them.

Our first tentative steps have begun that journey...I sat beside my mother and father that evening in 1969 when mankind took that first bold step...We'd landed on another world! I saw, for the first time, my mother cry. I never knew why until I saw the shuttle lift off, and return safely for the first time. I knew right then, and right there, that the Earth will not always be our home.

To this day Armstrong and Aldrin hold a special place in my heart...They were the messengers who told a world that more worlds await, and that it is time to go!

Who doesn't remember those pictures from the Viking Landers of landscapes not so dissimilar to places here on Earth? Or the pictures of worlds so wonderfully and delightfully weird as to beggar our imaginations, from the Voyager spacecraft as the blazed the first trail out of the Solar System on their long plunge into the darkness beyond, heading for those freindly twinkling little stars...

Now more Martian probes have sent back information that may indicate that life might be present now, or in the past. Only water? But as a single note from a trumpet may indicate the possibility of a symphony, so too does water indicate the possibility of life elsewhere in our Universe.

Oh, the possibilities!!

But why go?

Man is, at heart, a wanderer. An explorer. Yearning to see new vistas, experiance places we've never been. Man is never more wonderous then when challenged. This is, I submit, our ultimate challenge. To join the heavens and tread among the stars. Our ultimate destiny, what ever that is, lies not here, on this rather insignigicant little blue rock. But out there, yondering amongst the stars.

If we don't destroy ourselves by ignoring the angels of our better natures. Something awaits us our there...I'd hate for us to miss it due to our prediliction for violence. I don't think we will, but the jpossibility is there...


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:28 PM by Buck Division
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Very well put, Seagull. Our reason for existence in this world is to ultimately obtain some type of understanding -- obtain ultimate truth. We are getting closer.

I was struck by your passage about guiding ourselves by the stars.


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 11:17 AM by theability
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Seagull i agree 100%

I am fascinated with the Moon, spending as much time as possible visualizing our sister planet. I wonder if the moon hoax proponents do this? Do they have a favorite feature or area they like to look at? My favorite would be Messier followed by Vallis Schroteri [Apollo 18 proposed landing site].

Yet I see this all the time, the ones doing the downright attacking, really don't spend much time with allure on the subject, but more just ways to defame and destroy the very essence of the topic at hand.

I'd rather have the amazement and bewilderment of the heavens than some hoax anyway.

To the Stars!


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:02 PM by seagull
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The apathy is, IMHO, very real, and scarily so. People, again in my humble opinion, seem to give a damn, at least publically, about the wrong things.

I wasn't very old at the height of the Apollo moon shots, I had just started school. The kids thought it was the bestest thing ever. We knew who all the Apollo astronauts were, and many of us wanted to be just like them. What the adults thought? Seems evident doesn't it? The moon program was scrapped. The reasons? They must have seemed plausible, at least to them...I don't agree, but hey, I was just a kid.

If what my parents always said is the prevelent views, the attitude was "let's go, let's go, now.". I think the problems began when NASA, and others didn't have a vision of what to do next... OK, we've gone to the moon, now you want to go where? LEO? A reusable spacecraft to shuttle between here and there? Really? How boring.

When, like NASA, you've succeeded on such a grand and glorious scale; it's kinda hard to come up with something to top it... A shuttle, or even Skylab, just doesn't quite cover it. Voyager, and Pioneer, both came very close though, as did Viking... to at least equalling the publics fascination with the worlds that orbit around our sun with us.

Some how, some way, we must recapture that feeling; and hold on to it. That will require appealing, not to peoples pocketbooks, but to their souls. Awaken the vision of worlds awaiting our footsteps by appealing to our sense of wonder. How? I don't know...but that's the answer, IMHO.


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:13 PM by DJW001
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I think we're on the cusp of a new phase. While there is a great deal of public apathy, there is also growing motivation in other quarters. The rise in "private sector" space ventures suggests that humanity's exploration of space is about to enter its "Wild West" phase. Without clear and unequivocal international laws regarding private as opposed to state exploitation of extra-terrestrial resources, it is only a matter of time before large corporations begin to eye the mineral wealth and manufacturing possibilities off-world. Caterpillar, the large corporation that manufactures tractors and mining equipment, has recently joined a private endeavor to send a rover to the Moon.



reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:21 PM by Hefficide
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Hi Seagull!

Being that I was born in '66, I too share a similar emotional attachment to the space program. I have vague memories of the day that we conquered the impossible and landed upon the moon.

I have memories of watching astronauts frolicking, in later visits, upon the Lunar surface - as Walter Kronkite provided words almost worthy of the miracle I was witnessing.

I recall watching, with baited breath, over a period of years as the space shuttle went from something obscure, simply being talked about, into a drawing on the television screen, then into a shape strapped on the back of a 747, and finally into a flaming tower leaping into space.

Of course I also watched, twice, as that flaming chariot, like the stories of Icarus, took its inhabitants into eternity and, tragically, away from those of us who remained earthbound.

Through all of this it's never been a mystery to me, at all, as to why we would go to such lengths, and risk so much, in the pursuit of mastering space... for the desire to reach the stars. After all, our bodies are made of them. Our inner spark - burning as they do.

A little before I was born, President Kennedy spoke to these questions, and he said:

There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.


His words were deceptively simple, in my opinion. Yet they speak volumes. Why go into space? It's no different or more complicated than the reasons that we climb out of bed, or open our front doors in the morning and face the world - unaware of what may come, endangered at every turn, and vulnerable...

We do these things, all of them, because it's our nature. We do them because we have the capacity to dream of them and then to accomplish them. We do them because we have curious minds and hearts brave enough to let that curiosity lead us beyond that which we are comfortable with - that which we know. We do these things for the same reason that the earliest humans first picked up rocks and sticks and fashioned them into missiles...

We do these things because God, fate, or random chance gave us sight that exceeds our reach and a desire to touch all that we see.

Thank you for posting this excellent thread.

~Heff


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:27 PM by seagull
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...and you for that excellent post.

wings of Icarus? Nice.

To break the bounds of this nest will be the job of the private sector. Govt's have too many masters to please.

I hadn't heard about Cat and others getting together for a moon rover. That's exactly what is needed. Nothing grandious or overblown, just simple step by step progressions. But progressions that talk to the spirit of the endevour. Maybe It won't happen in my lifetime, barring some sort of incredible breadthrough, but maybe in the lifetimes of my neices, or their children? Then again, my grandfather lived to see the Moon Landings, and when he was a kid, steamships were still something of a novelty... So who knows.
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