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Originally posted by StudioGuy
I would ask if there is ANY sort of actual evidence you could provide for the JL fantasy of a secret military base on the moon,
It would be great for somebody to explain how water can be used as a fuel. Water is a byproduct, not a fuel. It actually takes more energy to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen than would be yielded. Oh wait, the aliens have some technology for extracting energy from water, right?
LUNAR AND MARTIAN FIBERGLASS AS A VERSATILE FAMILY
OF ISRU VALUE-ADDED PRODUCTS
by Gary "ROD" Rodriguez, Systems Architect, sysRAND Corporation
Lunar Regolith consists principally of silicates, in some cases as volcanic or impact glasses. We continue to contend that silicon is more versatile in application than all of the other Lunar available elements combined and shouldn't end up in Lunar slag heaps and instead should be the fundamental building block for a wide range of value-added products in a CisLunar economy. Fabrication of silicate glasses are conventional industrial processes and anticipated tensile strength of glass made under hard vacuum is an order of magnitude greater than glass produced in atmosphere containing water vapor.
The logic employed in our reasoning includes the fact that any In Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU) effort is going to yield copious masses of silicon oxides which can be used in bulk as conventional glass products or, after further separation, can be synthesized as Silicon and Silicon- Carbide Fullerenes for more exotic applications. Additionally, mechanical wrapping of Silicon Webbing could prove to be more practical and durable and a lot less brittle than attempting large scale hot glass molding of structural components.
Identified fuel production ISRU efforts yield partially heated masses of metal oxides as waste byproduct – rich in silicates and metal oxides useful in bulk as conventional glass products. Fiberglass manufacturing increases effectiveness of prior ISRU fuel production by taking advantage of mineral benefaction and elevated process exit temperatures. The resulting structures would be spheres and cylinders with various configurations that could apply to human support systems, along with structures useable as storage tanks for the very Oxygen liberated in ISRU applications.
ISRU can manufacture more than fuels: even spacecraft are feasibly and affordably manufactured on Moon based upon fiberglass "tankage" integrated with fiberglass keels. Second generation structural components may take advantage of Silicon Nanotubes for additional composite strength. Diverse products for human systems support are manufacturable in-situ using glass fibers and fabrics, and CNC-type programmable manufacturing delivering state-of-the-art flexibility of remote design and parts manufacture. These concepts suggest extensibility and evolutionary capability derived when machining tool parts from fiberglass.
Contemporary Terrestrial industrial composite fiber products range from pressure vessels to lightweight sporting goods. A large number of products related to human systems support can similarly be manufactured in-situ using fiber fabric made from lunar silicate glass. Building structures using spun glass would be similar to those currently employed by Raytheon Aircraft or Scaled Composites to build composite aircraft. Pressure containers, structural components, woven fiberglass fabrics, molded and machined solid objects, glass fiber and filament are each large classes of value-added products.
.... I bet if you lived during the Wright Brothers you would have been one saying its impossible to fly...
Originally posted by MrPenny
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Then there was that other incident, I can't remember what astronaut or mission but they said something like "We would like to confirm that there is a Santa Claus."
Apollo 8 launched on December 21st.......this comment was made on Day 4.....December 25, Christmas Day for much of the Christian world. The astronaut was having some fun.
It might be just that but I believe that the USAF and NORAD have always used "Santa Claus" to refer to the unidentified traffic intruding continental airspace that is not hostile USSR/Russia/China etc. In other words, for UFOs. It could be that the astronaut knew he could get away with this statement because it was appropriate to the time of year and so that was why he made it.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Plus, Clementine seems to have found possible water ice there, as well.
Oh.....and Caterpillar seems to be there as well...saw their ads....
Sudbury To Host Planetary And Terrestrial Mining Sciences Symposium
Sudbury is home to the world's largest concentration of mining technology expertise and area companies have been mining the 1.87-billion-year-old impact crater for more than 100 years. At first glance it may be difficult to see what connection that has to the space industry, and why we should care; a closer look reveals not only a strong link, but a compelling economic reason.
Mining technology developed for use here on earth has already been used as the basis for developing the technology required to mine the moon and Mars. Dale Boucher, Director of Research and Development at the Northern Centre for Advanced Technology Inc. (NORCAT), indicates NASA and the CSA approached NORCAT several years ago to leverage Northern Ontario's drilling expertise derived through the mining industry. That initial meeting in 2000 developed into a collaboration that continues to date.
Not to forget to mention, the stations at the Lagrange points.....have I revealed too much? Will the MIB come and erase me now??? I'll be in the pool......
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
I don't think anyone here is saying for certain that that is what they meant. It's nothing but pure speculation.
Originally posted by StudioGuy I still get a little uneasy when I see people posting pure speculation as if it is the gospel truth.