Supreme Court rejects death penalty for child rape cases

reply to post by BlackOps719

Some people will argue a point just to argue.
i'm feeling the emotion on this subject.
I would apply for the executioners job if they would let me.

reply to post by Ismail


1.5%?
Remember that is one study.
Not all studies come to the same result.

Conversely, Prentky, Lee, Knight, and Cerce (1997) found that over a 25-year period, child molesters had higher rates of reoffense than rapists. In this study, recidivism was operationalized as a failure rate and calculated as the proportion of individuals who were rearrested using survival analysis (which takes into account the amount of time each offender has been at risk in the community). Results show that over longer periods of time, child molesters have a higher failure rate—thus, a higher rate of rearrest—than rapists (52 percent versus 39 percent over 25 years).

Recidivism of Sex Offenders

I personally know a Social Worker/Psychologist who is working in a prison to "rehabilitate" pedophilic offenders (in return for college loans being forgiven) and it's tough for him since the failure rate is so high.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by mysterychicken]

reply to post by TimeTracker


Well, that says a lot about you.
Or what you think you are.
Kill and torture someone, then come back and talk about it. You will have changed. Maybe just enough for society to decide that you too no longer have the right to live, because you have become dangerous. Even if you think you had good reason to kill.

Dealing out death is fine on the paper. In real life, it should be as avoided as possible. Even in extreme cases. Our jugement is flawed by our emotions.

I can understand emotions. I can understand your point of view. But it is flawed. Killing, even for the right reasons, is something to be cautiously pondered. On a purely moral level, killing and raping, what ever your reason be, are at a tie. I would not compromise my morality for the sakes of a child rapist.

reply to post by mysterychicken


Although the french prison system has huge flaws, they do tend to try and rehabilitate child molesters, through psycological care and hormonal medication. Maybe it works better than just throwing people in a cage for a few years. Just an idea...

Originally posted by Ismail
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Although the french prison system has huge flaws, they do tend to try and rehabilitate child molesters, through psycological care and hormonal medication. Maybe it works better than just throwing people in a cage for a few years. Just an idea...

Well, in the US we do spend thousands upon thousands and provide psychological teams to "rehabilitate" them...with a discouraging and alarming failure rate.

reply to post by mysterychicken


What if your numbers are right and mine are wrong. You still condemn all pedophiles to death, although around half of them won't do it again ?

reply to post by Ismail


I was just addressing the variability in statistics. Yes I'm guilty of going off topic.
Regarding the issue of my opinion on the death penalty. That's my business.

reply to post by mysterychicken


OK friend. Thanks for adding material to the debate.

reply to post by Ismail


On second thought, I should give my input. I'm having a good day and didn't want to get "worked up" but I opened my mouth (so to speak) already.
Honestly, I'm torn. On a visceral level I say "torture them and kill them". On a purely logical level I think keeping them alive and rehabilitating (or attempting to) is not worth the resources. On a more emotionally balanced level I hold the belief that humans can be rehabilitated and that giving up hope on someone is wrong. Also, I don't want to be cruelly logical. If I went down that path there are a lot of wonderful people who aren't "worthy" of living and I don't like that conclusion.
I do however think that the death penalty shouldn't be completely excluded from the possible punishments for sex crimes. Under what circumstance should it be allowable I haven't worked out for myself.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by mysterychicken]

One should not feel bad about giving up hope on these creatures.
They forfeit a HUGE amount of humanity when they decide to act on their desires. I cannot see an animal changing it's behavior and keeping it changed for the rest of it's life. When the circumstances are right, they will revert back to what they know.

I happen to encounter many who work for the prison and see many prisoners daily. When the topic of pedos comes up, they all say the same thing. Jail has revolving doors on these people. The predators get out of jail, and in time they almost always return. It is all they know. The saddest part of the system is, that someone somewhere has to be the victim in order to put them back into the system. If we did away with these miscreants, the number of injured children would drop drastically.

If France wants them, we could send them overseas for rehab, but I doubt the French would agree. Those statistics are flawed, they only account for those took part in the study. If you were being watched as part of a study, would you continue with your deviant behavior?

I fear there may be some truth to the pedo-rings within the elite.
I recall that member who posted the thread about his study.
I wish I had the link still. It sure explains a lot.

Child rapists are inherently cowards and weak personalities, suicide is the way out for any coward that can't cope with life, suicide is the ultimate escape for any coward.

Putting a sexual deviant like that in jail, with the specific need for sex with children, this coward will rather soon be in utter agony because he/she can't fulfill his disgusting urges.

Suicide is soon to follow if you let them.

So, sure, give them exactly what they want sooner or later, give them a lethal injection so they are out of their misery.

I THINK NOT.

People like this should be kept alive for as long as possible, subject to whatever jail life has in store for weak cowards like them. Let them rot in jail till kingdom come.

Uh, no Shadow watcher. The study I am talking about was conducted on statistics. No one went around behind every criminal in france to "see if they were doing it again". The study is about recedives, all crimes considered.
MysteryChicken, I respect your point of view. Mine is quite similar. Thank you for expressing your opinion.

i agree with the original poster here, child rape is the worst thing a person can do. I personally think that we need either an extremely long and painful death penalty to deter these freaks or life in solitary confinement and never see another human being as long as they live.

reply to post by BlackOps719



This is irritating. Where is the moral justification in this; comes to no surprise this is a political move. Putting to death a child rapist is unfair because it does not match up to his actions? Are you kidding me? !!

Very disturbing. No bueno.

Ok, perhaps I misunderstood how the statistics were cultivated.
I would still like to see a report to verify this, as I too cannot read French.
I am interested in what exactly they offer their offenders that we fail to as our numbers are way off.

I know that reason dictates otherwise. And many know there is a true reason to NEVER impose death. The possibility of innocence is a frightening prospect, the falsely accused should not face potential death.

But my emotions will not let me agree with my reason on this.

What more precious and vulnerable asset do we as human beings have? Children. They are so powerless and devoid of civil status that nearly anything can victimize them. Even parents, I shudder to recall, have been guilty of these atrocities! This form of abusive brutality defies all sympathy!

Maybe death is too good for them. Too easy to avoid the punishment of years in cold isolated confinement. But is there a real punishment that would suffice to bring balance to the crime? I can't think of one.

Anyway, I'm obviously torn on the subject, If death WERE the sentence, I can only be honest and say, under the judgment of guilt, I would likely consent in silence.

Could it be that the biggest people in the judgment system against the death penalty are the ones that own the private corporate prisons?

I personally think that those people lost their right to be called human, a dog who attacks a kid is put down too, a pedophile is an animal, nothing human about it...

No mercy for the merciless...

Grey Magic

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I think you may be right about the child sex rings involving government officials and powerful elite figures. I was reading a few weeks back about allegations of child sex orgies and rampant child abuse at the Bohemian Grove compoud, where children were plucked from state orphanages and forced into a life of prostitution.

The most disturbing parts that I read, and I will say this is all speculation and no evidence shows it to be true, but it was a story linking famed author Hunter Thompson to a long list of awful events involving child rape and human trade in Nevada.

This is truly a sick world when your get down to the quick of it. Maybe you are right, maybe the reason the politicians and the judges etc do not want capital punishment laws in place is so that they can avoid death if ever convicted.

Remember that story from NBC's To Catch a Predator, when that district attorney was busted for soliciting sex online from a child. When the police came to his home to arrest him he shot himself. I think there is a lot more of that type of thing going on than we will ever know about. Dont even get me started on the Catholic priest debacle.

reply to post by BlackOps719


maybe this decision comes from the point of view pedophiles in the justice and political systems, defending themselves as it is well known many past political and law enforcing individuals have been involved child sex acts and sacrafice,

protecting themselves i think

pleiadian_dan

Good decision,i would prefer to see the death penalty dropped completely,but reading these posts,seems people are still in favour of it for some reason...