He stepped on the toes of the MONEY...
Not acceptable in this field, it HAS to be selfless service.
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reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 08:21 AM by nexusmagazine
Originally posted by jritzmann
all one need do is listen to the latest Paracast episode to see how "far" off Greer is, and see the real motives.
[edit on 25-6-2008 by jritzmann]
Yeah, I listened to it - and the Paracast dudes came across as rude, shallow and thick.
They made themselves look stupid in my opinion. I reckon Greer deserves a gold star
for his patience in dealing with such rudeness, and such opinionated ignorance.
After listening to the full 'show', I don't think Greer is 'far' off the mark, and I think his motives are just fine.
Another one for my 'ignore' list ...
Duncan
reply posted on 30-6-2008 @ 07:42 PM by RiotComing
reply to post by MrdDstrbr
Wow, so I listened to the show and yes I fully agree with you. If they felt so angry and frustrated with the man, then why oh why did they not confront him? They said that they couldn't butt in on him, well they just didn't try hard enough, and it was often when Dr Greer was in the middle of a very interesting flow of conversation. I don't think they were really listening to him. When they did ask the 'tough questions' on him, I thought Dr Greer handled himself very well. In fact, if you want to know where the Disclosure Project and Dr Greer is currently at, then yes, do listen to this interview. But you certainly won't get a negative impression of him. He held himself eloquently and came out 'the victor' in my view. The interviewers came across as a couple of childish wisecracking ratbags. They are still cowards in my eyes. If they were so upset over the fact that there's no Alien Baby story, then how come they didn't confront him when they had the chance? They didn't even try to butt in when it was being discussed. They had the chance to call bs many times but they were gutless.
There are those who feel Dr Greer has lost his mind lately, that he's taken the Disclosure thing off track, and the Paracast interviewers even made a pathetic attempt to psychoanalyse Dr Greer stating childhood abandonment issues!!
Having not heard from Dr Greer in a while, I was pleasantly
surprised that he came across as focused, poised and passionate as ever. He dealt with the issue of the perception of some of the technology he is
disclosing as a bit 'out there', such as the idea of thought and telepathy as a communication and energy source. It's not mad at all, Ralph Ring
speaks of a test where they operated an ARV via thought control. It's there on the Project Camelot website. Dr Greer, and many more of us, realise
that we cannot sugarcoat some of the technologies for eventual public acceptance - this is how it is[/]i. It might seem weird and far-out but it's
not weird and far-out to me, and I think Dr Greer said the same thing in the interview.
Kudos to Dr Greer, shame on the Paracast pretenders.
[edit on 30-6-2008 by RiotComing]
Wow, so I listened to the show and yes I fully agree with you. If they felt so angry and frustrated with the man, then why oh why did they not confront him? They said that they couldn't butt in on him, well they just didn't try hard enough, and it was often when Dr Greer was in the middle of a very interesting flow of conversation. I don't think they were really listening to him. When they did ask the 'tough questions' on him, I thought Dr Greer handled himself very well. In fact, if you want to know where the Disclosure Project and Dr Greer is currently at, then yes, do listen to this interview. But you certainly won't get a negative impression of him. He held himself eloquently and came out 'the victor' in my view. The interviewers came across as a couple of childish wisecracking ratbags. They are still cowards in my eyes. If they were so upset over the fact that there's no Alien Baby story, then how come they didn't confront him when they had the chance? They didn't even try to butt in when it was being discussed. They had the chance to call bs many times but they were gutless.
There are those who feel Dr Greer has lost his mind lately, that he's taken the Disclosure thing off track, and the Paracast interviewers even made a pathetic attempt to psychoanalyse Dr Greer stating childhood abandonment issues!!
Having not heard from Dr Greer in a while, I was pleasantly
surprised that he came across as focused, poised and passionate as ever. He dealt with the issue of the perception of some of the technology he is
disclosing as a bit 'out there', such as the idea of thought and telepathy as a communication and energy source. It's not mad at all, Ralph Ring
speaks of a test where they operated an ARV via thought control. It's there on the Project Camelot website. Dr Greer, and many more of us, realise
that we cannot sugarcoat some of the technologies for eventual public acceptance - this is how it is[/]i. It might seem weird and far-out but it's
not weird and far-out to me, and I think Dr Greer said the same thing in the interview. Kudos to Dr Greer, shame on the Paracast pretenders.
[edit on 30-6-2008 by RiotComing]
reply posted on 30-6-2008 @ 07:57 PM by Incarnated
reply to post by antar
That's a little judgemental of you if you're talking about Steven. Althought what you say is 1/2 truth, there's the other spiritual aspect.
Steve is just trying to deal in both plains, and that's not an easy task. It can cause confusion and disorientation. I'll just say the "path" isn't done until the last trumpet is blown.
Steven in his confusion is doing better than many that would think themselves awakened. Ahem!
That's a little judgemental of you if you're talking about Steven. Althought what you say is 1/2 truth, there's the other spiritual aspect.
Steve is just trying to deal in both plains, and that's not an easy task. It can cause confusion and disorientation. I'll just say the "path" isn't done until the last trumpet is blown.
Steven in his confusion is doing better than many that would think themselves awakened. Ahem!
reply posted on 30-6-2008 @ 09:45 PM by davidbiedny
I just LOVE how people trash our show, based on the one episode where we bring on a charlatan, a fraud, and give him some hell.
There are so many of you who focus on those final 15 minutes, as if that were the whole show... I mean, seriously, you think that Greer has done anyone a favor? Ask Dr. Edgar Mitchell how he feels about Greer... many of the original Disclosure Project participants have since distanced themselves from Greer. Just ask some of the people he's claimed to have had extensive communications with... his stories are so full of holes, it's not funny. He makes ridiculous claims, invents nonsensical tall tales - did anyone actually listen to the shpiel about the alien baby left on the steps of the church?
And as far as his claims that "CSETI will be releasing images later this year", does anyone believe this? They've supposedly been taking extensive video and still images for what, over 14 years, and have yet to release a single compelling photo. They prohibit attendees of their camping trips to release or even show anyone any of the pictures or videos they might have taken, for no good reason. We asked him about this directly, and he danced around the question like Madonna dances around a pile of peanuts.
Anyone who has actually LISTENED to The Paracast knows that we're typically straight, serious and genuinely inquisitive about the topic. We have great conversations with so many guests, we attract folks like Jacques Vallee, Stanton Friedman, Richard Dolan, Leslie Kean, James Fox and so many others deeply immersed in serious research (and people like Kean have exactly the same sentiments about Greer as The Paracast), I'll put our show - and interview style - up against ANYONE doing paranormal radio. If I personally extend an episode 15 minutes, in order to vent after listening to a liar drone on for a couple of hours, well, I'll take that liberty. When those of you who criticize us decide to do a public show about these topics, using your real names, putting your own credibility on the line, then come and talk to me about how harsh we are. To those of us attacking our integrity and credibility - I love how easily you do that from behind a veil of anonymity, how DARE you toss around words like coward, "Internet balls" (as my buddy Ritzmann puts it) are beyond pathetic. I stand behind my statements, I think Greer is a con artist, and if you take the time to hunt down and study the CSETI tax/financial statements, well, they're fascinating reading. And they point to the likelihood that CSETI is in violation of federal tax-exemption regulations. If the IRS ever takes a good look at this, Greer is gonna be in a deep, hot pot of water - one of the more astute members of The Paracast forums did some digging, man, he's good.
And as far as the statement that those last 15 minutes were the most "cowardly, despicable and disgusting thing I have ever heard an interviewer(s) do....", here, watch this and get some perspective.
You want to believe in this fraud, go right ahead. I have no use for beliefs, it's knowledge and understanding that I seek, in spite of the difficulties of cutting through the jungle of BS in this field. I'll call 'em like I see them, and if you can't stand the intensity, then get out of the way.
dB
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[edit on 30-6-2008 by davidbiedny]
There are so many of you who focus on those final 15 minutes, as if that were the whole show... I mean, seriously, you think that Greer has done anyone a favor? Ask Dr. Edgar Mitchell how he feels about Greer... many of the original Disclosure Project participants have since distanced themselves from Greer. Just ask some of the people he's claimed to have had extensive communications with... his stories are so full of holes, it's not funny. He makes ridiculous claims, invents nonsensical tall tales - did anyone actually listen to the shpiel about the alien baby left on the steps of the church?
And as far as his claims that "CSETI will be releasing images later this year", does anyone believe this? They've supposedly been taking extensive video and still images for what, over 14 years, and have yet to release a single compelling photo. They prohibit attendees of their camping trips to release or even show anyone any of the pictures or videos they might have taken, for no good reason. We asked him about this directly, and he danced around the question like Madonna dances around a pile of peanuts.
Anyone who has actually LISTENED to The Paracast knows that we're typically straight, serious and genuinely inquisitive about the topic. We have great conversations with so many guests, we attract folks like Jacques Vallee, Stanton Friedman, Richard Dolan, Leslie Kean, James Fox and so many others deeply immersed in serious research (and people like Kean have exactly the same sentiments about Greer as The Paracast), I'll put our show - and interview style - up against ANYONE doing paranormal radio. If I personally extend an episode 15 minutes, in order to vent after listening to a liar drone on for a couple of hours, well, I'll take that liberty. When those of you who criticize us decide to do a public show about these topics, using your real names, putting your own credibility on the line, then come and talk to me about how harsh we are. To those of us attacking our integrity and credibility - I love how easily you do that from behind a veil of anonymity, how DARE you toss around words like coward, "Internet balls" (as my buddy Ritzmann puts it) are beyond pathetic. I stand behind my statements, I think Greer is a con artist, and if you take the time to hunt down and study the CSETI tax/financial statements, well, they're fascinating reading. And they point to the likelihood that CSETI is in violation of federal tax-exemption regulations. If the IRS ever takes a good look at this, Greer is gonna be in a deep, hot pot of water - one of the more astute members of The Paracast forums did some digging, man, he's good.
And as far as the statement that those last 15 minutes were the most "cowardly, despicable and disgusting thing I have ever heard an interviewer(s) do....", here, watch this and get some perspective.
You want to believe in this fraud, go right ahead. I have no use for beliefs, it's knowledge and understanding that I seek, in spite of the difficulties of cutting through the jungle of BS in this field. I'll call 'em like I see them, and if you can't stand the intensity, then get out of the way.
dB
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[edit on 30-6-2008 by davidbiedny]
reply posted on 30-6-2008 @ 10:05 PM by Alien_Question
reply to post by stealthyaroura
I also believe Dr. Greer was probably warned away in one form or another!
I believe disclosure will never happen the way we imagine, I believe that when we officially find out about ET's it will be either a faked alien invasion, large-scale natural catastrophe or WW-III type scenario!
Pre-planned out by the elite and secret governments of the world!
I also believe Dr. Greer was probably warned away in one form or another!
I believe disclosure will never happen the way we imagine, I believe that when we officially find out about ET's it will be either a faked alien invasion, large-scale natural catastrophe or WW-III type scenario!
Pre-planned out by the elite and secret governments of the world!
reply posted on 1-7-2008 @ 10:05 AM by jritzmann
reply to post by davidbiedny
No point in engaging Nexus, he's a self professed publisher and event organizer of the UFO variety. You're talking about someone who relies on the outlandish sensationalism and B.S. of people like Greer to sell his tickets and magazine.
He's not pissing because of Greer's integrity being questioned, but rather the pinch his wallet feels at these assorted people being exposed.
No point in engaging Nexus, he's a self professed publisher and event organizer of the UFO variety. You're talking about someone who relies on the outlandish sensationalism and B.S. of people like Greer to sell his tickets and magazine.
He's not pissing because of Greer's integrity being questioned, but rather the pinch his wallet feels at these assorted people being exposed.
reply posted on 1-7-2008 @ 11:03 AM by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by jritzmann
While we're "exposing" Greer, let's expose this little quote from James Gilliland, right from our very own ATS Mix:
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"They've [Greer and CSETI] actually been here, he came here and he did some kind of Ambassador training [the Ambassador To The Universe training], they had quite a few people here.
After they came here, we had I dunno how many ships came in, we got about 3 big Triangles on film as well as countless, I dunno how many other ships and filmed them.
And for some reason, I offered him the footage that we took here, and he just refused it, he wouldn't take it, I dunno why."
-----
Which James evidently later decided to make official on his website:
Hmmm.....
To date the debunkers have said NOTHING about this.
Why? Because there's nothing they CAN say about it. It's yet another reference to Greer, a CSETI team, and many independent witnesses, witnessing and filming spectacular UFOs.........
While we're "exposing" Greer, let's expose this little quote from James Gilliland, right from our very own ATS Mix:
-----
"They've [Greer and CSETI] actually been here, he came here and he did some kind of Ambassador training [the Ambassador To The Universe training], they had quite a few people here.
After they came here, we had I dunno how many ships came in, we got about 3 big Triangles on film as well as countless, I dunno how many other ships and filmed them.
And for some reason, I offered him the footage that we took here, and he just refused it, he wouldn't take it, I dunno why."
-----
Which James evidently later decided to make official on his website:
CSETI with Dr Steven Greer, PSI Application with Steve Mareno and two other independent groups were all present when, not one, but four immense triangle ships flew over the Sanctuary along with other brilliant UFOs all of which were filmed by multiple witnesses.
Hmmm.....
To date the debunkers have said NOTHING about this.
Why? Because there's nothing they CAN say about it. It's yet another reference to Greer, a CSETI team, and many independent witnesses, witnessing and filming spectacular UFOs.........
reply posted on 1-7-2008 @ 11:19 AM by davidbiedny
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
After they came here, we had I dunno how many ships came in, we got about 3 big Triangles on film as well as countless, I dunno how many other ships and filmed them.
And for some reason, I offered him the footage that we took here, and he just refused it, he wouldn't take it, I dunno why."
-----
Which James evidently later decided to make official on his website:
To date the debunkers have said NOTHING about this.
Why? Because there's nothing they CAN say about it. It's yet another reference to Greer, a CSETI team, and many independent witnesses, witnessing and filming spectacular UFOs.........
There's really only ONE relevant question to your rant:
Where's the footage? I looked at the referenced site, I don't see it.
When you say something has been captured on video (I doubt they used _film_), then show it. I haven't seen the footage, have you? if it's so great, we'd all love to see it.
EOS.
And obviously, to call me - or Jeff - "debunkers", is to show the extent of your ignorance regarding who we are and why we're involved in this field to begin with. Get a clue.
dB
[edit on 1-7-2008 by davidbiedny]
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