reply to post by jedimiller
Although I rarely contribute threads that have been running for so long it takes an hour to catch up, I am going to on this one because to me seems
too important to pass up.
There is such a thing as ideology. And the problem Americans faces is that in the last few decades ideology has been used as a tool to influence the
will of the American people. That same problem has faced those who embrace Islam. Ideology about how things 'should be' have driven people to
extremes on both sides.
Many people in the US have little to no understanding of the history of the people of Islam, of neo-conservatism, nor a working knowledge how
fundamentalism and delusions of morality affect those in leadership. In America, ignorance of civil studies and government, has lead to the surrender
of the very rights we rely upon to control, and protect us from, the government. We allow the employees to run roughshod over us, the bosses.
I suspect that those in the House of Submission (Islam) are equally ignorant of the way in which some Muslims suddenly, radically, decided that if you
didn't not totally accept their interpretation of the Koran - you weren't worthy to call yourself Muslim and thus could be killed - despite the
commandment that no Muslim should ever kill another Muslim. The radicals made themselves judges, and thus authorities, over all their brothers and
Americans seem incapable, at this time, to bear witness to the subtle shift from a community-based culture to one of materialistic-consumerism and
selfish individualism. They fail to sense or react to the notion that they are being 'told' what reality is, as opposed to being given the tools to
determine it for themselves. As a result we see this externally-driven inclination to 'categorize' people from the middle east, not as people,
like us, but as people UNLIKE us. We are told that our 'nation' has a purpose to fight evil, and only 'they' cal tell us what that evil is.
When the Soviet Union collapsed under it's own megalithic weight, a new evil was identified for us. It was not wanton profiteering and greed, not
the voyeuristic idolatry of mass media, not globalist commercial exploitation, nor even indifference to human suffering. They told us it was
Islam is a devotion, a religious practice, a means to worship. It has rules and traditions, many, incompatible with the notion of individualistic
expression as we embrace it here in the US. Islam transcends statehood, yet tribalism and culture virtually demand the existence of a state. The
compromise would seem to be embracing Islam as a guiding central moral compass for the state which is home to the Muslims. The compromise and
accommodation between a secular state and an Islamic people is their highest challenge. A challenge they are still struggling to overcome.
If one is to pay proper respect to the religion of Islam, it must be accepted that they nobly wish to embody their faith. The form and structure of
that faith must resist the materialism and glamor that western culture has distilled from it's enterprises of commercialism. However, that
resistance is undermined by the common thread between us, wealth. Radicals have sought to identify the individualistic mentality of the consumerist
commercialism of the US as the source of their problems. Hence they believe that 'destroying' America - the wellspring of materialistic selfishness
- would be a spiritually noble pursuit.
There are those in the US who see the same flaw in individualistic tendencies, they want a single guiding moral principle to be embedded in the body
of our government. The offer us hyperconservatist absolutism, also based largely on doctrines of faith. They have instilled, or tried to instill, a
notion of national purpose, destiny, linking the US with the protection of Israel, and even democracy, which we ourselves do not practice.
We have been pitted against each other the' American' and the 'Muslim' by those who haven't the wit to convince and persuade us of the merit of
their ideology through any other means than propaganda, and terror.
I have, in other threads, said this before, and I believe it is a truth that will haunt humanity until the paradigm shifts - PEOPLE ARE ALL THE SAME.
People are exactly the same regardless of nationality, creed, race, or even religion. Everything we contrive to separate us one from the other is an
illusion of convenience. We accept the differences because it suits us.
All of this is to say that as long as we are willing to accept that we are 'against' one another, we will be. I say we are not 'against' one
another at all. There ARE people who ARE against one another, they have just taken advantage of their positions to USE us for their own ends.
The neocons and the radical extremists AGREE on one thing. The ends justifies the means. What does that tell you?