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Teen arrested for 'blasphemous T-shirt'

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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 04:39 AM
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Freedom of speech is a right. But it is not the right to shout fire in a public theater, or to expose children to indecencys and graphic sexual obscenity.
With rights come responsibilities. Children and others have the right not to abused in public by you. Your right does not trump theirs!

The religious overtones are just icing on the cake. The shirt is designed to incite a riot, and that is what I would have charged him with. No person has the right to display anything they wish in public. That is why they put the brown wrappers on the porn magazines in the store. Anyone not in a drugged out stupor should already be aware of this. The world does not revolve around your desire to provoke violent controversy.

If you think the rest of the world needs to put up with that because you have freedom speech, then you need to listen to what I have to say!

You can fold that message like a three cornered flag and stick it where the sun don't shine! You are a bad neighbor and are not worthy of freedom of speech. It is precisely people like that who threaten the freedoms of the rest of us through their senseless abuse. I will defend a pornographers right to publish pornography of the most vile sort. But I cannot defend the abuse of the public by their being exposed to it unwillingly.




posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by Cyberbian
Freedom of speech is a right.

Good, I'm glad that we agree.

So what's your opinon on the gross waste of police resources and the subsequent court case that is pending, all because a kid was wearing a tshirt?

Hmmm, seems to me like the Gold Coast thieves will be smiling, as the cops are turning into fashion police, rather than doing their jobs and policing the streets.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 04:46 AM
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Says the word [SNIP] on it and it has a naked lady masturbating... sounds indecent to me and I don't see why anyone would say that's alright to wear.

This isn't religious in anyway (for you religious nuts) but instead is primarily based on appropriateness.

Could I walk around town that says "Bananas look like [SNIP]" and a picture of a banana and then a *penis*? I think the answer to that is 'no' yet nobody would have arguments about freedom of speech or anything, they would just call it obscene... and possibly a little weird. I really don't see what the big deal is here, all that the media is doing is giving this horrible group free press.


Mod edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors
I've asked nicely

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Freedom of speech is a right.

Good, I'm glad that we agree.

So what's your opinon on the gross waste of police resources and the subsequent court case that is pending, all because a kid was wearing a tshirt?

Hmmm, seems to me like the Gold Coast thieves will be smiling, as the cops are turning into fashion police, rather than doing their jobs and policing the streets.


So walking around town naked or wearing dildos strapped all over your body would be ok in Australia (or anywhere) by your rules?

I highly doubt that this would cause any more trouble that little Johnny throwing a rock in a window and then having police involved. This doesn't have anything to do with free speech but rather public indecency. Of course, I have morals and think naked masturbating females and curse words shouldn't be posted about in the public. (posted as in it's on a shirt and wandering around town)



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by ericds
So walking around town naked or wearing dildos strapped all over your body would be ok in Australia (or anywhere) by your rules?

It wouldn't bother me too much, as I would walk past and forget about it. I really don't care what most people get up to, provided they're not hurting me. I see absolutely hideous people who walk past me with clothes on and can't wait until they are out of my sight!!!

One of my mates (an Aussie) managed to walk (bottom half) naked along every major European city that he visited. He did it for a dare and for a laugh when he was on a holiday tour. All major attractions, Stonhenge, Pisa Tower, etc - guess what, he has pictures of himself naked beside them.

Big deal, get over it. If you don't like, then it will be gone from your sight when you walk past.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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that shirt came out over 10 years ago. I have one. If you ask me he should have been arrested for wearing a shirt thats passe



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 06:45 AM
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Well to add some contrast to the discussion at hand I will say this. I think there is being PC and being overly PC. I completely agree that freedom of speech is a right.

We have the unfortunate event of a child trying to find his place in the world by displaying his affection for a rock band. Naturally he takes on the beliefs of these performers. He thinks he will belong somewhere and has found something worth while to say. Challenging belief and expressing yourself are both really important... (HERE IT COMES) BUT!

Some things are just not acceptable. Information wether heard, seen or learned is sometimes hard to ignore especially a picture of a Nun masturbating and the words "JESUS IS A [SNIP]" written on a shirt. If someone walked up to me (a christian) and started repeating this over and over and over and showing me pornographic images you better believe I wouldnt be very happy. Infact if these images were shown to my children or any children you better believe the person would be prosecuted.

What this KID has chosen to do is completely and utterly disrespect and offend Christians aswell as people with any real morals.

I hear you cry freedom of speech blah blah blah. Think about it people it's not right. Ok some of you get offended by people wearing clothes that are different and of religious importance. But there is a difference, there is a line, it was crossed end of story. Pornography and words that arn't allowed to be legally displayed to minors and that most of age people wouldnt want to see either has been shoved in EVERYONES faces aswell as direct assault on someones beliefs for kicks is JUST NOT RIGHT.

Shame on you for defending this




Quick Question. Would you like it if i walked up to your kid showed them hard core pornography and swore at them, started spouting beliefs of my own "YOU MOTHER IS A [SNIP] would you accept that?

Didn't think so. It's the same thing guys. I look forward to your further attempts at making this seem ok. Laughable

Mod Edit: READ ME

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Threadfall
If we see someone walking around with a [SNIP] shirt on and she reads it, I'd punch the loser in the face.

Threatening with grievous bodily harm because someone is wearing a T-shirt you don't like?

Now THAT is an offensive statement.


Originally posted by malcr
Anyone who defends the "right" to wear such clothing in the presence of children needs to get some help from a psychiatrist since it's teetering on the edge of paedophilia.

Saying that some wearing a drawing of a GROWN woman is a borderline pedophile?

Now THAT is an offensive statement.

Please tell me again, why is me being offended less important than you being offended?



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by ka0s69
Quick Question. Would you like it if i walked up to your kid showed them hard core pornography and swore at them, started spouting beliefs of my own "YOU MOTHER IS A [SNIP] would you accept that?

What on earth has that got to do with anything???

Apples and oranges mate. Is your world really so black and white that you cant see the difference? If so I envy you and pity you at the same time.

Mod Edit: Removed Quoted Censor Circumvention.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by ka0s69
Quick Question. Would you like it if i walked up to your kid showed them hard core pornography and swore at them, started spouting beliefs of my own "YOU MOTHER IS A [SNIP] would you accept that?

Quick Answer: This kid didn't walk up to other kids and show them hard-core porn or scream in their faces. He was just wearing a tshirt - get it?

If you walked up to my kid and screamed in his face, then I'd tell you where to go, as you're an adult threatening the safety of my child. If you continued to harass my kid and threatened to hurt him, then you'll be in trouble big time. I won't need to call the police either.

If you quietly walked past my kid with that tshirt on, then he wouldn't care or even notice. I've got similar tshirts from other bands that he would have already seen. No big deal. He might even wave at you for your cool taste in music.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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In this instance call it apples and oranges if you like mate but its all FRUIT here. Saying it to someone and wearing it for people to read is is still conveying the same message. Just a different medium for conveying the message isnt it?

Dont feel sorry for me im fine. Its this little delequint that needs your sympathy.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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Oh please.. like i've just pointed out to someone else its a different method of conveying the same message. The purpose of this T Shirt is to inflame. Try tell me otherwise if you like. Secondly it has the same effect, people are exposed to something thats considered widely unacceptable children aswell. It's like a streaker at a sports event. They get arrested and blurred out for a reason. It's too offensive.


I'm into Pantera, Metallica and heaps of other pretty good metal but never really been a fan of COF. I hope it doesn't come off that i'm being all righteous and all but to be honest if I saw this kid out in public (given the fact I live in the Gold Coast) I'd rip the shirt off him, light it on fire and give his parents a good clip round the ears. Simple as that. On this occasion PROPS TO THE COPS. \



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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This is just silly...its a T-Shirt! I dont care what is on it,if people dont like it,or they are scared little children can actually comprehend it,evaluate it and use those images to directly influence their mode of thinking...i see no problem,this is just another thing for *those* sorts of people to complain about and moan about.Its a T-shirt!! What about all those kids in somalia etc etc that see their whole towns get burned and all the villagers get hacked to pieces by machetes? Grow up people.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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So if apples and oranges are the same, doesn't that mean everything that someone find offensive should be banned?

Like church-bells waking hungover me on a Sunday morning. I do find them offensive you know. Forcing a reminder of their (in my view) offensive religion on to me. Yet I have a strong feeling a complaint to the police wouldn't get that far. Why is that?

Please tell me, why is me being offended less important than you being offended? Can you?

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[edit on 26/6/08 by gekko]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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"When did common decency and respect become a bad thing, folks? "

I'm really in two minds about this shirt. On one hand people expect certain standards to be upheld in public. That's why we don't have billboards advertising hard core porn. I'm sure some people would not want to see, or have their family members see a picture of a masturbating nun or a rude word, and I respect their desire.

At the same time I wonder why these words and images are offensive to people. Swearing, sex, nuns are all natural parts of our society and I don't understand why people feel the need to shelter themselves or others from them. I love language, "#" is a great word, so's "shoebox". they're all part of our language and the world is a richer place for it.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Seems to me there are two issues here.

1. The kid bought the shirt at a retailer. If anyone is harrassed or threatened or arrested, it should start with a visit to the retailer.
2. The cops are not the fashion police and if the kid was not being physically threatening, they should have just cautioned him and at most said 'go change your shirt, please'.

It is a waste of resources and an act of bullying by the cops to do this to an underage kid. Is the lesson they want to give that cops can bully or that they are understanding and not reactionary?

I guarantee you the prosecutor will not want this case, unless there's some kind of underlying motive, such as a grudge against the kid's family or a hidden motive.

We don't know that the shirt was pornography. I don't know if mere words on a T-shirt worn out on the street rises to the level of p0rn.

Remember, supposedly the cops can not legally take action at a person just because they cussed at them. It happens all the time at driving stops. The kid was on foot, and not in school (where school rules are in force).

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:54 AM
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so you mean to tell if i see you walking around the airport with a shirt that say's i love scooby doo and i'm affended by it i could just find a cop and have you arrested. thats how silly the situation sounds. my thoughts on the matter are thisdon't knowbody control your eyes but you, if you don't want to see that sort of thing look at somthing else. i was approched one day in an airport where i live picking up my wife by a member of PETA keep in mind i am a avid deer hunter. i had a shirt that said deer the best thing next to potatoes and gravy it pictures a deer leeping over a fence and a plate with potatoes and gravy. this crazy woman didn't ask me she demanded that i turn my shirt inside. she said that she discusted by what the shirt advocated and that if i didn't comply that she would get security to make me . i told the woman that she was off her meds and she needed toget out my face before i call security for harassing me . i saw security guard later and he said there was a hunting expo that weekend and PETA was harassing everybody, they said they couldn't do anything to them because they were practiceing there constituional rights to freedom of speech.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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There is a difference between scooby-doo t-shirt and a Jesus is a [SNIP] t-shirt. You have to realize that this shirt is offending people. I won't go into a church and shout God sucks, nor would I go into a funeral and start doing stand up comedy and laughing out loud. This guy obviously did it to get some notice for it or else why do it at all?

Mod edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors
I've asked nicely

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
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There is a difference between scooby-doo t-shirt and a Jesus is a [SNIP] t-shirt. You have to realize that this shirt is offending people. I won't go into a church and shout God sucks, nor would I go into a funeral and start doing stand up comedy and laughing out loud. This guy obviously did it to get some notice for it or else why do it at all?


Or maybe they think jesus is a [SNIP],COF have a song called guilded [SNIP]...they like COF...it was a t-shirt with COF...seems pretty logical to me.So what if you are offended,im offended all the time by people...who cares? The universe is hardly going to implode because *you* are going to go out your way and make a very large deal over a t-shirt which would only be in your line of view for about three seconds and thats if you keep looking...PC gone mad!


Mod edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors
I've asked nicely

Well im very sorry gemwolf,but it was a pretty obvious typing error...on account of the *....


[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Lethil]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
Far out, what have we come to?


That is my question, too, but for a whole other reason. Yes, what have we come to when people want this to be defended under the excuse of freedom? Even though I am a Christian, the fact it had Jesus and a nun on it is not the problem, legally. It is the language and what the nun is depicted as doing on the t-shirt.

I would not want to be out with my four year old and see that. I would not want to be out by myself and see that. It's tasteless. It's the same reason we don't let people walk around downtown naked. There is such a thing as decency. And if you can't realize that, then perhaps we need others to enforce it for you. That belongs in a porn film where people who may want to see it can- not out on the streets where children and others are forced to see it. Come on.



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