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The Mexicans revere this island as the place they left on their Odyssey to the Valley of Mexico, where they built their Atlantesh called Tenochtitlan (now Mexico City). Notice that the circular shape and canal streets of Mexcaltitán are nearly exactly like Plato's description of the particular "Atlantesh" for which we are searching.
Many patriotic Mexicans want to be buried just off the shores of Mexcaltitán, near the present day coastal village of San Pedro Aztatlán, which most people erroneously call "Aztlán," In Sanskrit, Aztatlán means "Place by the water where the sun sets in the west." However, in Nahuatl it means "Place of Many Herons."
Originally posted by punkinworks
reply to post by IvanZana
Archealogical evidence and know cultural history clearly show that the Mexica, the people known to the modern world as the Aztecs were recent arrivals to the central mexican plateau, having arrived from the northern mexico/american soutwest in around 1100 ad.
Out of thin air did they appear?
Why did they migrate?
Where were they before the flood?
Its obvious this thread hurts your head for you do not understand much of whats presented. Your intent on debunking just bores everyone.
The stories of Atlantis and the old testement is of the antedeluvian world, meaning, before 8000 - 10000 b.c. Ancient pyramids and structures in the americas date anywhere from A.D - 14,0000 b.c. (esitmated age of tiwanaku in Bolivia).
Your weak attempts to convince yourself that the ancient americas had nothing great before the Columbus incindent is a sad one.
There is ample evidence that supports the theory that the ancients knew of the whole world as we know it today and sailed and traded between continents millenia before columbus.
Your lack of knowledge and education in this field has become evident. Your opinions are really dead ends and offer no information but just a reflection of you inner problems with emotions and understanding information outside of the average thought.
Research..... one day you will come around.
Originally posted by dgtempe
I went to first and second grade in Havana.
I was taught that the southern half of Cuba was underwater due to a cataclysm. The land mass was much larger, the largest part under water now.
I never forgot that bit of information.
Edit to add: I also remember learning about the early Indians on the island- they were called Indios Putumayos (Mayos=Mayan) I have no idea why it was preceeded by the word Putu.
Maybe someone else knows?
[edit on 25-6-2008 by dgtempe]
Now from what i learned is that the Caral was just recently found with the estimated age of 5-7,000 years old. Thats is amazing, i am sure we can agree on that. Also carbon dating is not alway accurate. What was the oldest structure in the Americas before the finding of Caral?
Do you think mabey that the stories of Atlantis were really an over sensationalised version of MesoAmerica?
Do you think it was possible for man to have traveled to and from the americas to the old world in the in the thousands of years before columbus ?
What do you think of all the ancient , NON MesoAmerica, pre -columbus coins, viking atrefacts, druid, and other odd pre columbian writings, drawings, oral and written histories of pre columbian travels to the 'New World"?
Is it mere coincidence that there are step pyramids around the world like that found in the Americas?
Is it mere coincidence that the peoples of the earth before 1500 A.D all built structures that were not only astronomically orientated but amazingly engineered and similar all over the world?
Ive seen your other threads of " did aliens or atlanteans build the parthenon" , "700,000 year old civilization found" and "is there a conspiracy to supress ancient knowledge." So this thread should not be a streach for someone who claims to be open to possibilities.
Hansulame's opinions and posts on the matter in this didnt allow for healthy, mature discussion on the matter.
People just have to learn to ignore the flat earthers like Han.
Your not very smart though you claim yourself to be so with your boring attempts to stroke your ego in these threads.
Im letting you kill this thread.
Hunslane's views " atlantis is not real"
My position is Atlantis is not proven, it possible it might have existed but not probable.
"the ancients were to stupid to sail the atlantics"
"The native americans were to stupid to be the atlanteans"
"They pyramids in mexico and in egypt and their astrononimical
alignments and galatic calculations were just for farming"
Shall i continue to loosely quote your ignorant views on a subject that seems to hurt your head?
Originally posted by IvanZana
All the history and texts, tablets, engravings, scrolls from the mayans, aztecs, peruvians were destroyed during the spanish inquisition.
"The newest expeditions have been to Andros. Eight expeditions have been to Andros with the 2004 information posted here. In addition, there are 10 free Quicktime video clips from the video documentary available here. A report on the first 2004 expedition to Andros can be found here. Free video from both the Andros Platform and Bimini Road, taken after the 2004 hurricanes, can be found here."
"The mission of AUTEC is to support the full spectrum of undersea warfare by providing accurate three-dimensional tracking, performance measurement, and data collection resources to satisfy Research, Development, Test and Evaluation requirements, and for assessment of Fleet training, tactical and material readiness."
"# A buoyant vehicle, deep-water haul down site with data collection capability.
# Andros and West Palm Beach Real-Time Range Test Display Centers.
# Remote and Portable Real-Time Range Display Systems and Software (PARGOS/PCARGOS)
# Extensive data reduction and data processing systems and facilities.
# Computerized Mk 46 and Mk 48 torpedo simulators to minimize Fleet training costs.
# Post-test debrief/replay display systems.
# Open-ocean research vessels, range craft and small boats.
# Helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft.
# Fixed, mobile, and deployable targets, noise sources, and transponders.
"Some people seem to continue to confuse a flip of the earths magnetic field polarity, with an actual movement of the earths crust or change in its rotational axis.
The earths magnetic field changes polarity on a fairly regular basis, regular on a geologic time frame (20 million years), and is currently in the process of flipping, there are places in the south atlantic and indian ocean where the local polarity has already flipped.
The mechanism for the flip has a mechanical cause but the actual flip is purely electromagnetic in nature. "
"The Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center (AUTEC), the American naval base on the Bahamas island of Andros, and that some researchers believed AUTEC might be an underwater "Area 51"- a place where secret research was being carried out on UFOs by the American government, and which, from time to time, was even visited by UFOs. It is located 177 miles southeast of West Palm Beach, Florida, at Andros Island and the Tongue of the Ocean, in Bahamas.
The Andros Island AUTEC test facility-access to which must be obtained beforehand - covers only one square mile on land, but actually comprises 1,670 square miles of the surrounding Caribbean. This ocean area is a steep-sided deep-water embayment 100 miles long and 20 miles wide, with depths varying from 700 fathoms at the "rim" to 1,100 fathoms (more than a mile) at the northern end. By any reckoning, this is a huge amount of underwater space.
The Andros base has an ultra-top secret caliber of security. In the waters off Andros island, strange craft have been seen from time to time which not only resemble UFOs, but which display the same unbelievable swiftness of motion and execute the same incredibly sharp turns."
Dr. Michael Preisinger
A German historian/scuba diver has recorded the exact location and value of deviations in magnetic fields off the Bahamas coast. Scientists to whom he has shown the figures do not dismiss the possibility that they are caused by micro-wormholes. His researches have also led him to wonder whether the American AUTEC naval base on Andros Island is not-perhaps on account of these same wormholes-an "Underwater Area 51 of the Caribbean." And he has reached some new conclusions concerning Atlantis and the Bahamas.
Oceans of ink have been spilt over the subject of the Bermuda Triangle, that apparent paranormal grab-bag of missing vessels (hundreds of ships and scores of planes), deviations in the magnetic field, abrupt outpourings of fog, UFO sightings far above the national average-and much, much more. A vast amount of pure speculation has accompanied these reports, the most controversial being that the Bahamas archipelago is comprised of the mountaintops and higher areas of the lost continent of Atlantis, sunk beneath these waters millennia ago."
"I was further told that many of the sightings took place near the Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center (AUTEC), the American naval base on the Bahamas island of Andros, and that some researchers believed AUTEC might be an underwater "Area 51"- a place where secret research was being carried out on UFOs by the American government, and which, from time to time, was even visited by UFOs."
"I learned from more than one source that the Andros base has an ultra-top secret caliber of security. Here is an illustration. In 1997, a group of duck-hunters-who, admittedly, had walked right by a PROHIBITED AREA sign less than a mile from the base-suddenly found themselves confronting an unusually thick wall of foliage. At that very moment, they were knocked off their feet and their faces thrust into the ground.
The hapless duck-hunters quickly discovered that the foliage contained sailors in heavy camouflage, and that other sailors, leaping out of the foliage behind them, had hurled them to the ground. Taken to a nearby tent, they were grilled by a colonel for hours, until they were certain they would be thrown into prison. Then, abruptly, the officer released them, declaring, "I believe your story."