Atlantis is Cuba and the Americas?

reply to post by punkinworks


Howdy Punkinworks

Yes there was a strike of some kind in North America, its still being researched - but here is a question for you. If you are using the death of megafauna as a proof how do you explain the demise of said megafauna in South America, Asia, Africa and Europe at the same time?

A puzzle eh?

reply to post by bios


Howdy Bios

Yep it's always an interesting subject.

There a lots of myths.

One of the interesting aspects of this is if Cuba is part of Atlantis - why is there no sign of a civiliztion there?

The usually knee jerk reponse is to say that those areas were flooded...okay so we have people who ALWAYS stayed along the shore?

Even historic coastal people went inland - and left traces, there is no sign of burials, habitations, pottery, stone tools - nothing at all - nor does anything wash up on the beachs from these alleged sites. Odd isn't it?

reply to post by Hanslune


There are several mechanisms by which an impact in NA could result in the die off of mega-fauna worldwide.
The most pronounced woul be that, the impact basicallly torched a good portion of NA, sending up billions of tons of soot into the atmosphere, diminishing the amount of sunlight reaching the earth.
This would have two effects, the most immediate would be the start of a cooling trend, and secondly but more profound for the mega-fauna, would be the disruption in the photosynthysis cycle, resulting in a loss of plant life.
They starved, as the world changed around them to rapidly for evolution to adapt.
Another was that one animal was able to rapidly adapt to the changing environment, Man
As the usual foraging food sources, berries, fruits, nuts ,tubers and grasses, for the hunting and gathering peoples of the world failed, they increasingly turned to hunting to survie. And they applied an increase in hunting pressures that the already weakend mega-fauna populations couldnt support.
And when the game ran out in an area man went on the move, into new areas and repeated the pattern.

Also
Impact or impacts?
There is a group therorizing that there was a series of impacts around the world over the course of several hundered years.
So many of the localized effects would have been repeated many times in many places around the world.

And as a testament to the cooling effects of smoke in the atmosphere, we have several large fires burning in the mountains nearby, and the area is shrouded in a layer of smoke.
And temperatures are noticbley cooler than they should be this time of summer, and when you are 60 miles away clear of the smoke it is several degrees hotter.

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Howdy Punkinworks

I recently read, "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes" by Firestone, West and Warwick-Smith

Recommended

It's going to take a number of years to get enough data to answer the question, decades perhaps for a world wide answer. However one is left with why so many larger African animals didn't die off. One other puzzle is why the Wrangel island Mastodons survived into much later times.

Oh I didn't understand your earlier reference to the Bison - could you explain further please? Are you saying you believe they were 'reseeded' from Asia?

reply to post by Hanslune


Yes, the smaller North American Bison, is in fact an Eurasian/Asian? immigrant, and it replaces the earlier Giant Bison around 10K years ago.

Thanks P

I was just reading about that after I posted. Interesting

Africa may have been spared direct impacts and since it straddles the equator the cooling would have not been as pronounced as it was in the Europe and asia or NA or SA.
And africa's vast range of environments assured that there was a higher survival rate, none the less, many species of african mega fauna went extinct at the end of the pliestocene.

This is a great video.

Description:
Award winning film maker of Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings; Chris Pinto talks about the connections between ancient Atlantis and the United States of America. Most people know the USA as a Christian nation, but was there others who came to the USA for other purposes? Chris shows the other side of history most people aren’t aware of and the hidden agenda that has targeted the USA by evil men. Chris Pinto personally goes through the mysteries that most Americans are unaware of in this 1:20 min talk given at the www.radioliberty.com 2006 annual conference. Get ready for an exciting time as you learn the secret mysteries of the birth of the USA with Chris Pinto
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Google Video Link

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Here is another picture of what some claim is the lost empire of Atlantis.



Do you see the all seeing eye? Look at all that submerged land.

reply to post by IvanZana


thanks for the thread...

here is something on Atlantis that i feel is true...

Google Video Link

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You're right. Cuba is part of Atlantis.
There was a show on TV about this.
The Atlantian Capitol City is about 400 feet underwater.
It was found by american treasure hunters looking for sunken spanish ships.
It's between Grand Cayman Island and Cuba.

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Thanks for the video, Tsarion. Good info.

I wanted to add this clipping for I think it is somewhat relevant considering that some of the stories posted in this thread mentions some sort of massive catacalysm that struck the earth around 10,000 bc.

Blue-eyed Humans Have A Single, Common Ancestor
ScienceDaily (Jan. 31, 2008) — New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.

www.sciencedaily.com...

I have to ask..... What the heck happened?

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Atlantis is not real, never has been.

That's like if people hundreds of years for now went searching for the planet Tatooine because they discovered Star Wars

This is acually the first time i heard of this theory. I run with the theory that atlantis is under the Antarctic ice. If it is under Cuba and the Americans, why is there no reports of massive amounts of artifacts? I would like to know.

reply to post by QuetzalcoatlAlien


Atlantis was real it was the seafaring and powerful Minoans, who's trading empire spanned the mediterranian and were much more advanced than their greek neighbors.
The city complex on Thera was generations ahead of anybody in the area. They had hot and cold running water, IN THIER HOMES, flush toilets and multi-storied buldings.
The harbor was huge and cirular, it could accomodate hundreds of ships.
The peoples of these mediteranian islands were some of the first people to make use of metals. Due to the unique geology, climate and environment, usable metals(copper/ gold) were to be found laying on the ground in some areas, this gave them a large advantage (thousand years?)over the other people of the med basin.

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Here is a Wikipedia link that discusses the origin of that map:

en.wikipedia.org...

And here is a link to a hi resolution scan of the map:

upload.wikimedia.org...

Enjoy!

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Here is a link to the English translation of the map:

www.gavinmenzies.net...

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awesome thread!!! The rap group outkast has a album called ATLiens and thief lead song off its called elevators. Syncronicity! atlanean alien

Map that columvbus drew.... neatowww.diputaciondevalladolid.es...

The irish have stories of people who escaped the catacalysms that struck the Americas and sailed to the eastern continent.

THE IRISH COLONIES FROM ATLANTIS.
WE have seen that beyond question Spain and France owed a great part of their population to Atlantis. Let us turn now to Ireland.

We would naturally expect, in view of the geographical position of the country, to find Ireland colonized at an early day by the overflowing population of Atlantis. And, in fact, the Irish annals tell us that their island was settled prior to the Flood. In their oldest legends an account is given of three Spanish fishermen who were driven by contrary winds on the coast of Ireland before the Deluge. After these came the Formorians, who were led into the country prior to the Deluge by the Lady Banbha, or Kesair; her maiden name was h'Erni, or Berba; she was accompanied by fifty maidens and three men--Bith, Ladhra, and Fintain. Ladhra was their conductor, who was the first buried in Hibernia. That ancient book, the "Cin of Drom-Snechta," is quoted in the "Book of Ballymote" as authority for this legend.

The Irish annals speak of the Formorians as a warlike race, who, according to the "Annals of Clonmacnois," "were a sept descended from Cham, the son of Noeh, and lived by pyracie and spoile of other nations, and were in those days very troublesome to the whole world."

Were not these the inhabitants of Atlantis, who, according to Plato, carried their arms to Egypt and Athens, and whose subsequent destruction has been attributed to divine vengeance invoked by their arrogance and oppressions?

www.sacred-texts.com...

Explorers View 'Lost City' Ruins Under Caribbean
December 6, 2001 - Reuters

Explorers using a miniature submarine to probe the sea floor off the coast of Cuba said on Thursday they had confirmed the discovery of stone structures deep below the ocean surface that may have been built by an unknown human civilization thousands of years ago.

Researchers with a Canadian exploration company said they filmed over the summer ruins of a possible submerged ``lost city'' off the Guanahacabibes Peninsula on the Caribbean island's western tip. The researchers cautioned that they did not fully understand the nature of their find and planned to return in January for further analysis, the expedition leader said on Thursday, The explorers said they believed the mysterious structures, discovered at the astounding depth of around 2,100 feet and laid out like an urban area, could have been built at least 6,000 years ago. That would be about 1,500 years earlier than the great Giza pyramids of Egypt.

``It's a really wonderful structure which looks like it could have been a large urban center,'' said Soviet-born Canadian ocean engineer Paulina Zelitsky, from British Columbia-based Advanced Digital Communications (ADC).

Zelitsky said the structures may have been built by unknown people when the current sea-floor actually was above the surface. She said volcanic activity may explain how the site ended up at great depths below the Caribbean Sea.

www.lost-civilizations.net...

Possible Physical Evidence of Atlantis.
The explorers said they believed the mysterious structures, discovered at the astounding depth of around 2,100 feet and laid out like an urban area, could have been built at least 6,000 years ago. That would be about 1,500 years earlier than the great Giza pyramids of Egypt.

``It's a really wonderful structure which looks like it could have been a large urban center,'' said Soviet-born Canadian ocean engineer Paulina Zelitsky, from British Columbia-based Advanced Digital Communications (ADC).

Zelitsky said the structures may have been built by unknown people when the current sea-floor actually was above the surface. She said volcanic activity may explain how the site ended up at great depths below the Caribbean Sea.

www.lost-civilizations.net...

The Scott Stones- Are They Real?


The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.

Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.

www.lost-civilizations.net...



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Explorers View 'Lost City' Ruins Under Caribbean ...2001

Howdy IvanZana

You'd help your creditability if you'd actually do some research - you do know that more work was done on that alleged site - and what was found? Why do you only show part of the story, why not fully explore a subject instead of cherry picking data? By your research method one can prove that Franco is still alive, the war of 1812 is still on going and Gavoti didn't drop a bomb. Nothing like leaving the story half done eh Ivan?

Oh have you gotten your head around the fact that we have four Mayan Codices yet?

Keep it coming my friend

reply to post by punkinworks


Excellent morning to all......


Here is Edgar Cayce's ( the sleeping prophet) psychic reading on Atlantis. Very interesting stuf

A.R.E.’s Atlantis Search Findings
For some years A.R.E. members and the organization itself have conducted expeditions in search of ruins or any remains of the lost continent of Atlantis. (Click here for an overview of these expeditions with numerous photos.) The newest expeditions have been to Andros. Eight expeditions have been to Andros with the 2004 information posted here. In addition, there are 10 free Quicktime video clips from the video documentary available here. A report on the first 2004 expedition to Andros can be found here. Free video from both the Andros Platform and Bimini Road, taken after the 2004 hurricanes, can be found here. The most recent expedition was to both both Bimini and Andros in 2005 with some spectacular finds made. Information and photos from that trip can be found here.

According to Cayce, Atlantis—located from the Gulf of Mexico to Gibraltar—was destroyed in a final catastrophic event circa 10,000 B.C. The focus of A.R.E. efforts has been in the Bimini area, however, other related locations have also been investigated. Research on the so-called Bimini Road has been hampered as researchers are split on the origin of the structure: some believe it is a manmade road or foundation while others assert it is natural beach rock, which fractured in place. However, a seldom-discussed fact is that a portion of the Bimini Road was removed after a hurricane in 1926.

Before the end of the last Ice Age (12,000-years ago) the ocean levels were at least 300 feet below their current levels. A vast “island” was in the area in those remote times rather than chains of islands. Edgar Cayce referred to Bimini as one of the mountaintops of ancient Atlantis. While few would consider the island a mountain, 12,000-years ago it was one of the highest points on the vast land formation in the region. Bimini and Andros Island, lying about 100 miles to the east of Bimini, were a part of the same island in 10,000 B.C.—called "Poseidia" by Cayce. Cayce related that a Hall of Records containing the records of Atlantis was constructed somewhere in the region. The Hall of Records was in a temple which sunk in 10,000 B.C. and is, according to Cayce, covered by "the slime of ages." This record hall is identical to the one in Egypt under the Sphinx.

Archaeologists have countered that the remains of civilization in the region only go back 7,000 years—or perhaps even less. They have asserted that if a major civilization existed in the area, some of its remains would be found on current land. That assertion has a fundamental flaw. Ancient maritime civilizations typically built their cities and ports on the ocean shores. As related in prior issues of Ancient Mysteries, archaeologists working in South America, the Pacific coast of North America, India, and elsewhere in the world have been discovering the remains of underwater ruins. These ancient maritime civilizations built their cities and ports on coastlines—all of which have been covered by the rising oceans. Given the recent changes in North and South American archaeology—taking the history of habitation in the Americas to 50,000-years ago—it seems likely that ruins would lie in the shallow waters around Bimini.

www.edgarcayce.org...





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