Strategic Unit Movements : Tactics 101, page 1

This is the first time I've forayed into this forum area of ATS. I have been taught military strategy since I was six years old by a man who I respect wholeheartedly to this day and revere as the only hero I have ever truly had in life.

My step-father came into being in the family due to a divorce. He was a Marine during Vietnam and taught survival tactics, military strategy, war history, war ethics, anything and everything you can possibly think of as a tactic I was taught through lessons when a bully situation happened or I did something stupid and made a mistake.

What I'm referring to here in this ATS thread is the terms of "Fall Back vs Retreat" and I was taught the difference in a way so that I would never fall into the stupidity trap of most people in life.

From the way I was taught, if you need to make a movement due to overwhelmingly hostile forces, you always "fall back" and never ever "retreat", being that to fall back is an organized troop movement, and to retreat is in essence a mindless panicking action.

In military slang, fall back, is a term used on the battlefield to retreat; i.e., falling back to another position, and to retreat it is considered a relatively risky operation, requiring discipline to keep from turning into a disorganized rout.

I was taught the only reason to fall back was because you were overwhelmed by forces trying to take your position, whereas a retreat was something that is the same thing, but due to a lack of discipline can turn into a panic and troops might be overwhelmed as well as shot in the back as they run.

If however you want to use tactics wisely, then to subvert the enemy to make a huge mistake, you make it appear as if you are retreating, in mindless panic, leading them into a trap or ambush.

I thought I would talk a small amount on battle tactics here in this forum area and I'll outline a real life situation at another time where I actually used this tactic when I was a teenager and initiated a double-pincer movement plus a bushwhack against some really stupid teens who were intending to kill because I was the one teen who would not take their drugs, cigarettes, or associate with them because I was a Christian and they were secular.

They had fifteen young teens, and were sneaky with school administration in their lies, I had a brain between two ears and a four foot chain with one inch links, and superior knowledge of battle tactics, superior knowledge of the surrounding areas, as well as knowledge of usage of said combined knowledge of the Art of War in conjunction with their eager yet stupid wanton desire to kill.

I can not encourage you to do what I did, in fact I wholeheartedly discourage it. If you try what I did, in way, shape, or form, you might just actually get killed, and I do not want that. That being said, that's the Public Service Announcement part of this thread.

Do not attempt this at home, ever.

I never hurt one of those fifteen other teens.

They were way underprepared.

All Law Enforcement interaction agreed with what I did, to an extent even though I had a weapon.

I was taught to never be a follower, but to be a leader.

Do not be a stupid lemming and go with the flow stupidly, but to stand as the one man who can turn back the tide of stupidity if I know what is truly going on as well as how to do it.




[edit on 25-6-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

[edit on 1-7-2008 by lombozo]

reply to post by xpert11

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Sounds like an organized withdrawal, switching to evasion to Me. Thanks for the comment.

I was referring to the difference between "fall back" and "retreat" but your comment is welcome of course as well.

Don't forget to flag, star, and thread-tag this so it gets more recognition. Thanks.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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Hey

I've got a question relating to fallback/retreat/evasion.

Hyperthetically, say you and five freinds are needing to escape a superior force.

The superior force have numbers on there side dogs and thermal imaging gear.

How would you go about losing them?

What steps could you take to stop it becoming a complete rout?

The only idea that comes to mind is to set traps to slow them down but that means you yourself have to stop which means they have time to close the gap.

Great thread by the way!

Okay, you said dogs and thermal imaging gear, which by that I am assuming you mean FLIR, or Forward Looking Infra-Red.

To throw off a dogs scent is easy enough. Dirt and lots of mud. Run through water, a river or stream preferably. This is nothing new to anyone as it has been in almost every survival movie ever. That's the answer to that I'm giving here on this area that's monitored of everything put on there.

As for FLIR, well it dictates that it seeks out your body's heat, and the opposite of heat is what? Enough said, figure it out. I can't say more without getting into heaps of trouble.

Setting traps is for experienced people with means to do so, I can't advocate it, because by commiting acts of violence you are only adding to whatever the offense you committed or is implied you committed to begin with. Yes, you are correct, to stop and set traps would only help them close the gap.

To fall back efficiently and effectively, one needs to have had a strategy and contingency plan in place effectively negating any planned action against you to begin with. This is dictated by military doctrine of strategy and tactics as well as the law of survival.

Retreating, is usually an act of unplanned movement in the opposing direction you are intending to drive into. If you are retreating from someone, via unplanned movement, you are putting yourself into a "run rabbit run" scenario, wherein whomever is chasing you becomes the hunter and you are their prey.

You never ever want to be put into this position, and I can speak from personal experience, it sucks the big donkey. I've been stalked off and on since I was six years old, children, teens, and adults of the respective ages at the time I was in interaction with them during school, neighborhood, or work related experiences.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

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