The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

Think of it like this:

We reallocate the wealth of the world to every individual.

The once rich will save as they always have. The poor will waste theirs.

Oh snap. Back where we started.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Think of it like this:

We reallocate the wealth of the world to every individual.

The once rich will save as they always have. The poor will waste theirs.

Oh snap. Back where we started.

Sorry for the one word reply but:

Prezactly!

star for you!

Originally posted by onlyhurtsu
I know these flag wavers are too ridiculous to ever travel the world and see outside the box.

What in the world are you babbling about?
Please enlighten us and tell me why do you think the EU is great and thinking 'outside the box'.

But the US was in first place for awhile and we are waking up to realize we arent first anymore.

Of course the U.S. is still first. That's why we are still the only superpower.

Check out europe. Ive met many europeans traveling, they are laughing at us. How can we not see it.

A) Why should I give a rats ass what the Euro trash thinks about the U.S.
B) Laughing at what? How they are still inferior. Yes, that is funny.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Please show me where in the Constitution where it mandates a SOCIALIST CENTRAL BANK.

Boy, you're really teaching me patience. You've got to read: eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

It's interesting how intellectually and academically lazy you capitalists are, you expect everyone to do your intellectual and academic work for you. You're really an intellectual socialist, aren't you. You don't mind stealing people's time and effort in taking years to educate themselves, do you? As long as handed to you for free. You guys are all the same.

Please show me where our founding fathers mandated socialist equality and also show me where 'financial freedom' is listed.

“Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government … More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners … Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.”
~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

“Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

“Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate.”
~ President James Garfield, 1891

“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.

“By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker’s Magazine

“The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD … they didn’t know what was real and what was part of the exercise. I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they’re the ones that should be the object of investigation … there’s been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government … the Patriot Act has done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all our enemies combined,”
~ Bob Bowman, former advocate of Starwars with Dick Cheney … now opponent.
bowman2006.com...


I know you're capable of reasoning, because you're a very polite fellow (of course you'd let me or anyone starve rather then change a corrupt system so instead of the FED and capitalists and the NWO preying on the young, sick, elderly, infirm ... you and your kind, the corporate fascists and neo-Nazis, prefer to simply kill those people ... you're the one bringing 2012 and elimination of 90% of the world's population.

Are you proud of yourself? Or, do you just like not having feelings or compassion.

Damn this thread has me itching!

Do you realize what redistribution would mean to EVERYTHING we do on a daily basis? You would have to re-educate everyone that never had money and has no knowledge of what to do with it in order for this to work. You would have to somehow convince everyone in a menial job that it is worth it to stay there after they receive a million dollars or our entire economy collapses.

Hell...what would our roads look like, what restaurant would still be around after all the minimum wage employees quit?

Another problem...would this wealth also get distributed to the illegals in the country already, or should we just do away with borders and re-distribute to the whole continent, after all we are all attached by land!

How about an easier solution.....we create another holocaust, only this time we target weak and poor.....anyone that makes less than 200k a year must either leave the country never to return or be executed. We can go ahead and kill all on welfare, and the sick, dying, and elderly. Sound like a plan? Sounds just as crazy as what you propose to me. Why is my idea any different? If we did that then we would have less to support, the taxes to pay the medicare/medicaid benfits and welfare handouts would be cut. We could just impose an age limit to which you can either be executed or leave the country.....lets say 65 or so?

This idea is asinine as is re-distribution of wealth.

Originally posted by givemeliberty or beer
You're just a lazy piece of communist filth who wants someone else to work for you. You can have my wealth when you pry it from my cold dead hands. I will treat you thieves like any other, shoot first and ask questions later.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me ... didn't your mommy ever teach you that.

You mind-controlled robotic Fed-worshippers who hate Jefferson and favor Hamilton are the real NWO neo-nazi corporate fascist capitalist pigs, aren't you? You're totally uneducated and mad at you're daddy, aren't you?

First of all, YOU HAVE NO WEALTH. You just think you do.

“Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government … More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners … Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.” ~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

“Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” ~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

“Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate.” ~ President James Garfield, 1891

“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.

“By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker’s Magazine

Why in God's name would you defend a corrupt monopoly like the FED? Who are illegally and unconstitutionally in place as a Rothschild private bank of Warburgs etc, Why?

You don't have their wealth and genocidal and military and social and economic destablization powers and private cia and mi-6 armies. YOU DON"T PROFIT a pinch compared to them and their war and oil and energy profiteering.

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?
www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

also, I can’t understand this ‘patriot’ stuff at all, if you do, can you explain it
do you understand? U.S.A. is a corporation, not a country.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Are you in the Social Register, the Blue Book? Who do you think you're supporting ... the NWO robot that will marginalize you sooner or later, or buy up your company or foreclose on your house or your business or inflate or deflate your 'money' and/or restrict your loans --- CAPITALIST MYTHOLOGY IS PSYCHOPATHIC AND SOCIOPATHIC

The U.S. is supposed to have a SOCIALIST central bank, owned by the people of the U.S., not a privately-owned bank – as defined by the founding fathers and as fought for by them – by some of them, such as Jefferson, who wanted social enlightenment and health and wealth, against those like Hamilton, who wanted the Bank of England to control and financially enslave Americans.

Read Eustace Mullins ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’,
www.barefootsworld.net... and you will learn Americans have always rebelled against the Bank of England capitalism and against the Rothschild central banks – ever heard of taxation without representation. You’re not a patriotic American any more than a Barbie doll – in this case, a Ken doll.

90% of Americans die with no savings. That’s a simple statistic, my Cointelpro agent provocateur flag waving paid to disrupt ATS. You can take your capitalist bullsh*t propaganda swim in it.

Originally posted by pooty
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

I agree we need to get back to our founding document.Our problems are a result of the people allowing politicians to ignore thier oath to the constitution.
On June 30th, I'm proud to say I will be serving a petition on my local congressman.www.givemeliberty.org... I have no idea where this will lead however I feel I'm at least trying.

Way to go, man! I ought to try that myself.

WILL YOU REPLY TO MY COMMENTS? woops, that's right, they disprove you.

Listen, you can bitch and moan all you want, but who would support you?

Oh, pwoor bwaby, whinnying like a little angry kid.


Listen you commie, if you remove the government, gangs replace it. If you remove the wealthy, then people rob to get ahead because people WANT to be better then those around them.

You lose.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Boy, you're really teaching me patience. You've got to read: eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

Umm....what does this have to do with the Constitution?
YOU are the one that said it's in the Constitution yet you cannot seem to show me where. And again, you link to some obscure website instead of showing me where in the Constitution it mandates a socialist central bank. It's a simple request. There are plenty of online sites which has the full Constitution, so please show me where in the Constitution is states what you are saying. Still waiting......Why don't you be a man and admit that its not in the Constitution because if it were, I'm sure you would have already shown me what section or Amendment it was in.

Can we abandon this troll and let him drown in his sea of failure?

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Woops. DP.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
To the OP ... marxist redistribution of wealth is a failed idea.
It rewards the lazy and punishes the productive.

You'll get a chance to see it fail ... Obamessiah just loooooooves this thought process. His 'global poverty tax' is just the first step.

GOD HELP US ALL!

By the way, the capitalist private hoarding of wealth is a failed idea, too. It rewards the psychopaths and sociopaths.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

Isn't Hillary out of the race?

Also, 100% of either side is evil, as I've repeatedly said but your tiny mind can't comprehend.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Can we abandon this troll and let him drown in his sea of failure?

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Yeah, I think you have something there since he never answers a direct question or skirts around the actual question. Plus he continually spews the same rhetoric over and over again. I think he is copying and pasting the same material for nearly every post. This is getting nowhere since he obviously cannot express his thoughts in his own words because it's obvious when he is copying other people's material and when he writes his own sentences.

OP.....you seem no better to me and a religious zealot that will stop at nothing to spread what you believe to be truth. I commend your fortitude through the battle of wits in this thread, but you are far out matched in your arguments for re-distribution of wealth.

You keep citing the same threads and writings over and over.....WE GET IT.....this is all you have read for the last 10 years and all you ever talk about. It has got to really get to you that people disagree......again....about the same as someone that takes the bible literally and preaches to everyone in feeble attempts to sway them to become saved so they can be in heaven.

This is getting really repetitive. Why don't you just answer questions and leave out all the repetitive posts. We don't need re-distribution of every one of your previous posts.

Say something that you think yourself, not something that others have said before you. Maybe you should start thinking for yourself instead of citing works and quotes from others.

Everything I have said comes from me and my thoughts. I have no problem saying them to anyone face to face. Can you quote text word for word in a realworld argument? Are you able to make your point without these quotes and citations, say in a personal discussion, or do you have to repeat what others have said before you?

Don't take this as an attack...I really want to know.

reply to post by TrailGator

The best way to save America is to send people like the OP to some other country. I hear Russia is very nice this time of year. I will chip in for air fare, as long as its a one-way ticket and you surrender your passport.

There's a reason you have to chip-in. It's because you and the FED worshippers and NWO worshippers ARE BROKE!

reply to post by SaviorComplex

No where in the Constitution does it call for the establishment of a bank, much less a socialist central bank.

I suggest you consider reading eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’. Please read it.
www.barefootsworld.net...

You're obviously a very bright and patient guy to be able to put up with me.

What do you think these presidents are talking about: a privately-owned bank, or a publicly-owned (socialist) bank that charges no interest and doesn't use fractional banking and incurs NO PUBLIC DEBT because it's publicly owned. ... read what they have to say, and then you decide.
“Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government … More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners … Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.” ~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

“Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” ~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

“Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate.” ~ President James Garfield, 1891

“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.

“By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker’s Magazine

reply to post by sos37


sos37 wrote:

The majority would sit and wait for their checks. With the majority sitting and not producing anything, far less money is generated and far less money is distributed. This happens over and over until you run into the inevitable - famine. Why should half of the nations people do the work to support everyone? Either the people start making strict rules saying who does what (communism) or the country falls into civil war. I dunno about you but I prefer a democracy.

WHY NOT A SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY INSTEAD OF A CAPITALIST DEMOCRACY? Our founding fathers fought the war of independence to get away from the financial slavery of the Bank of England. Then, the Bank of England founded the FED and we're financial slaves of that.

A publicly owned central bank charges no interest and doesn't use fractional banking -- WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? We need to nationalize the FED and make it benefit the public, NOT Private bankers.

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?
www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

And, by the war we are in the middle of a financial civil war, and we, my friend are losing to the capitalists.


[edit on 25-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

Yes you are right, look how well socialism worked for the U.S.S.R!

Here is the fundamental problem with Socialism, as I understand it.

1, it seeks to take away the rich man's wealth and redistribute it to the poor.

2, it promises to take Moe off the loading dock and put him in charge of operations for the corporation. Moe deserves this because he has spent 30 years lifting boxes on and off trucks.

The problem with 1 is that most wealth is symbolic. A rich man eats about as much as a poor man. So taking his food will not feed 100. His symbolic wealth may be a fancy car and chandeliers; you cannot eat them, or divide them. You can sell them to another rich man. Most of the wealth is on paper and actually is in the form of supporting businesses, and employment for others. You take this away, and you have economic collapse and unemployment, as businesses go under.

The problem with 2 is that Moe is not competent to run a business, which is why he is on the loading dock in the first place. In truth Moe will not get to run the business even if Socialism takes hold of society. A few commissars will seize control for themselves, and squeeze the life from Moe, just like they always do.

You know what I've noticed about Socialists? They are always the ones preaching the idea of fairness and equal distribution of wealth, and rights for the workers...but on the job they are the very people who cause the most trouble, spreading gossip about people they don't like, creating an atmosphere of politics, and stabbing people in the back left and right.

This is mainly because they have a naive sense of human nature, even their own. They are blind to their own basic instincts They believe that humans can honestly and trully help each other WITHOUT THE NEED FOR RECOMPENSE and WITHOUT A HINT OF MALICIOUS INTENT.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by windwaker]