The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth, page 4
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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:38 PM by counterterrorist
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To the OP, great thread. There's no better way to rile the "free market capitalists" than by suggesting we should kill Democracy.....or some such nonsense.


Thank you. Socialism is democracy without capitalism. They never seem to teach this in school, do they? I just had a brainstorm today, "Capitalism is privatized socialism".

Or, as Orwell would say, "Everyone is equal. It's just that some people are more equal than others."

Anyone who wants to topple the New World Order and its corporate fascism only has to advocate redistribution of wealth.

That's what our founding fathers did by MANDATING a socialistic central bank NOT A PRIVATELY OWNED ONE by private bankers like we have today in the Fed, who suck our blood when they're not (censored).


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:40 PM by pooty
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I agree we need to get back to our founding document.Our problems are a result of the people allowing politicians to ignore thier oath to the constitution.
On June 30th,I'm proud to say I will be serving a petition on my local congressman.www.givemeliberty.org... I have no idea where this will lead however I feel I'm at least trying.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:43 PM by slackerwire
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Unconstitutional.

You fail.

Only losers support ridiculous ideas like wealth redistribution. They do so out of envy and anger at those who have actually made something of themselves.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:43 PM by counterterrorist
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Wait...What was the question?


The question is:

What are the ten top ways a democracy based on socialism is better than a plutocracy or oligarchy based on capitalism?


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:56 PM by counterterrorist
Originally posted by astrocramp
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Somebody else brought up Cuba and Zimbabwe, but these are good examples of the failed notion that government elites can predict where and when to invest and how much an occupation, service, or product should cost.


Are you out of your mind. Zimbabwe and Cuba were the victims of CIA and MI-6 coups run by the NWO. Cuba was infested with mafia/cia/drug-smuggling and money-laundering swine, not to mention BUSH offshore oil interests. YOU WOULD THROW THEM OUT OF AMERICA, IF YOU COULD.

Without the darwinistic mechanisms of capitalism, waste would exponentially increase, and scarcity of even basic goods (such as the soviet union and cuba).


Are you nuts? Capitalism has only been institutionalized a few hundred years since the Rothschild central banks took over. Civilization has been around, at last written civilization, for 5,000 years and PROBABLY BEEN HERE FROM THE FIRST DAY THE PLANET WAS CREATED.

The idea is ridiculous really, I'm surprised people still talk about this sort of thing.


You might skim through www.abovetopsecret.com... it's a lot of work, but you certain stand a change of smartening-up your education.

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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 02:58 PM by slackerwire
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Stand a change of smartening up your education? Seems you could use some of that yourself.

Why not just go out and make yourself successful, that way you won't be envious of those who are better off than you are?


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 03:01 PM by counterterrorist
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by counterterrorist
That's what our founding fathers did by MANDATING a socialistic central bank NOT A PRIVATELY OWNED ONE by private bankers like we have today in the Fed, who suck our blood when they're not (censored).


Once again, No.

The Founding Fathers did not mandate a socialistic central bank. The First Bank of the United States, established by Congress in 1790, was privately owned and operated.


You are 100%, totally MISINFORMED BECAUSE THAT BANK WAS PART OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND ROTHCHILD EFFORT TO TAKE-OVER THE US. THAT'S WHY THAT BANK WAS THROWN OUT AND MADE TO NON-EXIST.

The Second Bank of the U.S. was ALSO an attempted takeover by the Bank of England, after a short time, that too was canceled.

The Bank of England was not successful until 1913, in installing private ownership of a u.s. central bank, i.e. THE FED. READ THIS, 'Secrets of the Federal Reserve', it's online, and free
www.barefootsworld.net...

The history of the U.S. showcases Thomas Jefferson wanting a publicly owned central bank, & Alexander Hamilton wanting a privately owned central bank. It’s history, lost history.
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“Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government … More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners … Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.”
~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

“Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

“Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate.”
~ President James Garfield, 1891

“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.
“By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker’s Magazine


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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 03:02 PM by justsomeboreddude
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You are out of your freaking mind. Who in the hell would invent new stuff or start a business if they didnt think they might get rich as a reward. What do you think drove all the inventions in the world. GREED!

Greed is a good thing. If Bill Gates can create $50 Billion dollars of net worth from selling software, congrats to him. He worked his butt off, made good business decisions, hired great people, and made a lot of other people rich in the process.

I own my own business, and I am honestly struggling to make a go of it. If I didnt see the reward of success I would just give up. However, if I succeed I will create wealth for myself and others. I will create jobs, have more money to give to charity, more money to invest in the risk others want to take, etc...

The problem with this country now is their is too much government and too much redistribution of wealth. If you want more money trying taking some risks and working your butt off and quit worrying about who has more money than you. They earned it or the generations of their family before them earned it. That is how it is done. Its survival of the fittest baby!
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