The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

Originally posted by josephine

You're trying to punish the hard workers who take risks.
Do you know what bill gates did before he invented Windows? ...He sacrificed to get where he is with his
hard work.

Oh pleeee eezze. Bill Gates asked one of my friends to be his first investor, so did Steve Jobs. There are a trillion nerds. How do you figure Bill Gates by the age of 21 or so earned the right to a personal fortune of what is it now, 80 billion dollars. At least ALL the money should have been divided up equally among the people who did the work, all the EMPLOYEES.

How about all the risk takers who start businesses with no money, they take out loans or use their savings or home equity, like the lady who
invented Baby Einstein, not knowing wether they'll end up in bankruptcy.

I have no gripe with those people. They're not obscenely rich, are they. HOWEVER, there should be income caps ... since money is imaginary by popular consent to have value in the first place, why not share it instead of letting people like the international bankers OWN AND ENSLAVE US?

This country was built by hard working risk takers.

Very naive baloney. Historically, ALL the great "blue-blood" fortunes in this country were earned by opium-running, slave-trading, war profiteering, oil monopolies, corporate land grabs by bribing congress, and private bankers who own the Fed's inflation-deflation pyramid schemes.

Would you sacrifice all your time or money to do what these people did with no guarantee on return?

Are you out of your mind? 99% of Americans do this RIGHT NOW. The only saving grace of America is social security, and the dam* capitalists are trying to privatize that ... while calling it socialism.

Dam* right. REDISTRIBUTE ALL WEALTH IN THE U.S. RIGHT NOW, democratic socialism is the only way to go. REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Cap individual earnings at a million dollars, and/or just give a million dollars to everyone in america. period.

Either you believe in Mr. & Mrs. God or you don't. Either you nurture people, or you don't. Either you have compassion, or you don't. But we should never allow ourselves to remain as mind-controlled robots.

You're NOT a capitalist, you have no trust fund and YOU can't go take out a thousand dollars spending cash out of your trust fund every day LIKE THE CAPITALISTS CAN -- you're a make-believe capitalist, don't you get it?

Originally posted by counterterrorist
why, then the worst thing that could happen is ... what ... absolutely nothing.

Economic collapse. Mass starvation. Just little set bumps on the road, you know?

Not without a civil war. There are many of us on the extreme right and armed to the teeth that would kill any chance and your communist world. We beat back that stupid idea during the cold war. Get over it.

reply to post by Zepherian

I propose to work the same limitations on wealth has to exist for corporations and foundations, or it will just work against the goal. The logic behind it is that money is basically an energy, and to make society health that energy has to to be evenely spread out to its members, or we get these tumurous growths that are the modern day elites. Redistribution of wealth is a bit like social panacea, it would cure a lot of the problems we have today but to be implemented it requires a new mindset of what it means to be a person and a fair bit of unconditioning from media and marketing brainwashing.

You're very astute. Please help me by also responding to as many of these posts and replies by everyone, as you can, as your time permits.

In any case, best regards.

First, we need to get rid of elected officials who fund wars in congress and do not impeach Bush.
Look at your congressman's record and do not vote for that person if they voted yes on the wire tapping bill and the war funding bill, that just recently got voted on, in the House.
That is a start.
The main problem is that we do not have congressmen who represent their voters but work for the Corporations.
We would be better off, as a country, if we did not have all the wealth of the world concentrated in the hands of a few elite.
England has laws that restrict the amount of money people can spend to run for office.
The Constitution specifies how many people are in one congressional district.
As far as I know, the Constitution has not been changed to increase the numbers, so it should be a reasonable amount that a candidate can put his name out, without having to spend so many millions of dollars.
We need to go back to the original constitutional system of appointed senators.
That would take away a lot of criminality from lobbyist, funding senatorial campaigns.
They would have to buy off half the State Assembly to get their guy in.
So, what we need is a government that operates within its own laws and prosecute people who break the laws, including politicians.

All I can say to the OP is "very ignorant way to think." It's hard work, thinking for yourself and making your own dreams reality is the " American Dream ", not taking it from others. Isn't that what the government does? take from us. "Give me, give me, give me!" What about " earn it, earn it, earn it!".

Originally posted by Solarskye
What about " earn it, earn it, earn it!".

Earning it would mean you would actually have to work for it, instead of just stealing it, at gunpoint, from another man.

It makes me wonder, how would he handle farmers. Even small, privately owned farms can has assests over $1 million. Would he "redistribute" their wealth too?

Originally posted by BlackProjects
Sounds like a vote for Obama to me. He is offering just the socialist platform you are looking for. BP

I wish he was. But I haven't heard him mention 'redistribution of wealth' (maybe I have), but surely haven't heard him mention 'nationalize the Fed and erase the national debt we owe to this mononoply of private bankers who own the Fed who own the banks who own the oil companies and who minimize and marginalize your wages and salary increases".

Why do you think capitalistic monopoly is a good thing ... it doesn't apply to you. YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST, you're not an international banker, you're not the 1% of people who own 99% of the wealth. www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

The only way you can prove you're a capitalist is show me your trust fund. Show me your the $5,000 in cash you carry in your pocket.

Why in God's name would you defend a corrupt monopoly like the FED? Who are illegally and unconstitutionally in place as a Rothschild private bank of Warburgs etc, Why?

You don't have their wealth and genocidal and military and social and economic destablization powers and private cia and mi-6 armies. YOU DON"T PROFIT a pinch compared to them and their war and oil and energy profiteering.

Are you in the Social Register, the Blue Book? Who do you think you're supporting ... the NWO robot that will marginalize you sooner or later, or buy up your company or foreclose on your house or your business or inflate or deflate your 'money' and/or restrict your loans --- CAPITALIST MYTHOLOGY IS PSYCHOPATHIC AND SOCIOPATHIC

The U.S. is supposed to have a SOCIALIST central bank, owned by the people of the U.S., not a privately-owned bank.

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Originally posted by drew1503
That will never happen. We need to take this country back and restore our Constitutional Republic, regain our foothold as the greatest industrial nation, bring all our troops home to protect America, disband the Federal Reserve and try them for treason and institute money issued BY the PEOPLE PER THE U.S. Constitution,

The U.S. Constitution mandates a SOCIALIST CENTRAL BANK for the United States, that benefits ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS by NOT charging interest and NOT using fractional banking. It specifically outlaws institutions like Bank of England and Fed of private bankers owning our central bank.

If our founding fathers mandated socialist equality that all men are created equal and should enjoy financial freedom ... I certainly am going to agree with them.

And, I also totally agree with you -- except for the part that it will never happen. We already have total corporate socialism for the military/industrial/oil/banking complex.

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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Yeah, "redistribute my wealth" lol, good luck with that one.

Yeah. Me too.

Joseph McCarthy, we need you!

Seriously, did they stop teaching about how communism doesn't work and flies in the face of everything this nation was based and built upon in schools in the past 13 years? Better dead than red, folks... it was a way of life and still should be.

I don't have any wealth either, and I don't want a hand out from the rich. I want to know before I die that I did it. I made my way, I payed my bills, I payed for my food, I worked, I played, I laughed and cried all by myself without anyone giving me money or a job. I want to do it my way whether I'm dirt poor or filthy rich. This is what's wrong with the country today. Nobody knows the true meaning of being free. Everyone wants a hand out or government to provide for their well being. They want equal without being as equal to another.

the problem with trying to persuade people that live in a capitalistic country about other ways, such as democratic socialism, lies in getting them to understand the fact that they already have nothing. Everything they think they "own" is an illusion. They really don't own anything. And actually, the concept of socialism is based on the idea that everyone owns everything(in a sense), not as most people percieve it as noone owns anything. But people remain infatuated with their new $15 a hr. job and such and think they've finally escaped the hell that is poverty. when in all actuality reality will sooner or later rear its ugly head to prove to them that they've been sucked into the facade that is this disgusting system.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Instead of going to redistribution of wealth, I'd like to take it to the other extreme...

You can't pay for food?...you don't eat -- Can't pay for your school?...you don't get an education. -- Can't pay for a doctor?...stay sick. -- Can't pay for a house?...live on the street. -- Crops fail?...better luck next year. Don't they have private insurance for that? -- Not one penny of government welfare!

Interesting, Mr. Hardheart who would sell his mother into bondage, look how you attack poor people but don't say a word about stopping corporate socialism and tax breaks for oil companies -- and what about (metaphorically) THE BIGGEST SOCIALISM OF ALL -- fractional banking. BUT THEN its privatized and becomes CAPITALISM.

For Christ's sake, give bankers a penny and their corrupt monopoly of the Fed makes it 10cents, then a dollar, then ten dollars -- then a hundred, then a thousand. For a penny? Are you nuts? Don't you think that's a bit corrupt? Especially when the CAPITALIST PIG FED PRIVATE INTERNATIONAL BANKING SHAREHOLDERS that own the banks that own the oil companies AND the mortgage companies AND the credit card companies.

THEY are the capitalists that must be destroyed, not you and your petty cash reserves. We're just going to cap your holdings at a million in liquid cash. If that hurts you're feeling, there's a special cap for whiners, that's two million in liquid capital.

You corporate-socialists are all greedy, you want socialism for yourselves and your stockportfolio of FED-owned oil companies and insurance companies and mutual funds -- JUST WHERE DO YOU THINK their quarterly profits come from? From over-priced goods and services that prey on poorer and poor people.

You are certainly not a capitalist pig, are you? Does your money come from profiteering off of wage-slaves.

Who do you think you're fooling? You didn't earn your money with sweat, you aren't entitled to a single cent more than any other person on the planet. You should all have a million dollars only, then get out of the food chain.


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Those than can, do and those that can't, piss, moan, complain and try and figure out how to steal from those who can.

See the Former USSR and its history for the results of what you are proposing. Is a society of Vodkaholics truly preferable to our current system? Does it totally escape you that our poorest live far better than most of the inhabitants of the world? Is it a coincidence that most progress comes from Capitalist countries where hard work and motivation are rewarded.

Unfortunately the unmotivated and lazy don't do all that well in a Capitalist society. Those who contribute the least earn the least, which is as it should be. Socialism rewards slovenly behavior and penalizes those who work and study hard and it is really stretching the truth to its limits to defend that.

Only the lazy and unmotivated among us would be in favor of Socialism with a notable exception. Those who already have their money in the bank or who possess power who want to use Socialism as a means to control the "little people". Mr. Gore would be an excellent example. He would agree with you completely. You aren't Mr. Gore are you? If you are, congratulation on the hundred million you banked from the Global Warming scare Hats off to ya!

What would your job be in this system you propose? Cleaning horse stalls, pig pens or toilets in the middle of the night? Or, do you see yourself as one of the leaders, living in luxury while you rule the unwashed masses? Which would you choose as it will reveal your true nature. Cleaning up crap or living in luxury ruling others?

If you knew at a young age that you would earn the same whether you were educated or not, whether you worked hard or hardly at all, which path would you choose? I'm betting most would choose the path of least resistance.

Wealth redistribution is quite simply...absurd. Why would anyone want to excel in any field in life when they can take the easy way out and receive the same exact amount of money for doing half the work?

This breeds a whole new level of complacency not yet seen on this earth. The will to advance as a society would be lost as there would be no incentive for people to push the bounds of anything. Why would someone head up an operation like CERN when they can get just as much money handing out big mac's? It is a system that would doom humanity into a state of stagnation that I hope is never seen.

Hunger and poverty...these things are unfortunately inevitable in any system and it is wishful thinking to think that a corrupt, wasteful government could properly redistribute money in a way that would solve these problems successfully, while maintaining the competitive drive that makes the capitalist nations of the world great.

BTW, people can CHOOSE to redistribute their wealth, as many people do, by donating to various causes. I have much more faith in PRIVATE organizations solving some of these issues than a government that is already too big and wasteful.

Capitalism is privatized socialism. My brainstorm of the day.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
The U.S. Constitution mandates a SOCIALIST CENTRAL BANK for the United States, that benefits ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS by NOT charging interest.

Please show me where in the Constitution where it mandates a SOCIALIST CENTRAL BANK.

If our founding fathers mandated socialist equality that all men are created equal and should enjoy financial freedom ... I certainly am going to agree with them.

Please show me where our founding fathers mandated socialist equality and also show me where 'financial freedom' is listed.

This should not be a problem right?

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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
This sure sounds a lot like Communism's original breeding ground. In order to better assist the people, take everything away redistribute it among everyone. The problem is that no Government can be trusted to do something like that.

It is Communism's original breeding ground when the "Soviets" or 'workers governing units' prevailed. Unfortunately, they were replaced by the "Bolsheviks", who were financed by Harriman and the Bank of England and the Fed, and true 'worker's governing units' were replaced with 'capitalist-financed communism'.

The Soviet revolution spread like wildfire through Europe, because the subject populations were literally starving. That was covered in the press before it became our perverted 'corporate big brother mind control social engineering' press of today.

Harriman financed the first Soviet bank, google Ruskombank. Read Antony Sutton, read Eustace Mullins, or grit your teeth and plow through this long post, first skim over all the pages looking for the titles at the top of the pages, rather than read the pages -- or you'll never get through it ... I can't, and I posted it. www.abovetopsecret.com...

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