The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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reply to post by Zepherian
 


Thanks for your concern friend. Well, my grandad is an old man now, and he's got a rare form of blood cancer. He doesn't know about it, any treatment is way to expensive, he will pass away gently I hope in a couple of years. He fought for his country during the second world war, through the whole north african campaign, his best friends were both killed beside him in Monte Cassino. He was injured by that shell and sent home. He got work in the docks and did his job for the best part of 40 years. He is a man with a very acute sense of duty. He just plodded through life believing he was doing the right thing to feed his family. Never a word of bitterness or gripe.
I admire him, and disapprove him. Being dignified isn't shutting up and taking everything the sytem throws at you. It's standing up and saying NO. Even if that means tear gas and batons.




posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Socialism is the better, but it must be mixed with capitalism. The government can decide upon the redistribution of wealth if the must, but they should not create equal redistribution of wealth.


Capitalism equals the FED OWNS OUR MONEY AND RENTS IT TO US.
Publicly owned (socialist) bank equals WE OWN OUR OWN MONEY.
Capitalists charge us interest to lend us our own money.
Publicly owned bank DOES NOT CHARGE INTEREST TO LOAN MONEY.

NO MORTGAGE INTEREST. NO CREDIT CARD INTEREST. NO CAR PAYMENT INTEREST. NO NO NO N O NO NO NONO INTEREST.

THAT DESTROYS THE NWO because THEY ARE THE CAPITALISTS THAT OWN OUR MONEY AND CHARGE US INTEREST THEREBY IMPOVERISHING US. 95% OF ALL AMERICANS DIE WITH NO SAVINGS IN THE BANK.

We should own our own money. We should print it and own it. NOT have to rent it from the FED and pay interest on it and pay 10X interest on it because of fractional banking.

Also, I'm talking about estabishing the minimum EQUAL quality of life FOR EVERYONE -- food, shelter, transportation, clothing, health PLUS giving everyone one million dollars, AND paying everyone the same wage because it's one hour out of your life no matter if its digging ditches or doing brain surgery.

Pay should have nothing to do with WHAT IT IS you're doing, that just creates resentment. Since working would be voluntary, people would just do what they wanted to, when they wanted to, if they wanted to.

SCARCITY of natural resources is a myth, it is mind control. 99.99% of the planet is untouched.

HOWEVER, the UN is quickly claiming all that land, if you haven't watched Esoteric Agenda video, you might: video.google.com...



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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Ya know, if you spent half the time putting forth effort to make something of yourself as you do coming up with retarded ideas like giving everyone everything PLUS one million dollars, you might actually make something of yourself.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:28 PM
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Wow, what a constuctive post. Slither back home now...



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by jetxnet

It suppresses competition and motivation.


baloney. When you were nursing at your mother's breast, she didn't make you compete, she put your interests above her own to take care of you. THAT IS MY DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM MODEL OF REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Taking care of a baby IS NOT COMPETITIVE, it is an act of love. Taking care of a toddler, a child, a teen, a young adult, and adult requires SHARING not hoarding of the world's resources.


In this model of government, the Socailist/Communist model, 20% have all the money while the other 80% are expected to redistribute their hard-earned money. The top 20% keep their money, yet tell you what to do with yours.


Are you high? This is the exact opposite of what I'm taking about. I'm talking about YOU get a million dollars, everyone does. ONLY THE CAPITALISTS ARE DIVESTED, NOT YOU. YOU ARE NOT A CAPITALIST, YOU ARE A WAGE-SLAVE WORKING FOR THE CAPITALISTS.

You don't have a trust fund. You're not a venture capitalist. You're not an international banker. YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST -- YOU JUST THINK YOU ARE. The people who own the money, the private interlocking directorate of the FED, BANK of ENGLAND, BUNDESBANK central banks etc. THEY OWN THE MONEY AND RENT IT TO YOU.

You are not a capitalist. No one on ATS is a capitalist. We are wage-slaves of the capitalists who OWN our MONEY and rent it to us and make us slave to possess our own money. THEY HAVE ROBBED US, THEY ARE THE CAPITALISTS. YOU DO NOT PRINT THE MONEY OR OWN IT ... THEY PRINT IT AND OWN IT.

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?
www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

watched Esoteric Agenda video,:
video.google.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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A few years ago one of the possible solutions thought up by the banking elite for the problem of Isreal was to give every isreali 1 million dollars and relocate them into one of Americas western states...

What counterterrorist is doing is just attempting to reset the balance in the whole memetic warfare scenario the US people, and everyone else in fact, have been a victim of due to the asymetric access to mass market media production tools by the part of the elites. While I don't agree with the one million dollars for everyone bit, because it's basically just instant inflation, he is onto a lot of true stuff and has his heart in the right place. Do you?

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Zepherian
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What counterterrorist is doing is just attempting to reset the balance in the whole memetic warfare scenario the US people, and everyone else in fact, have been a victim of due to the asymetric access to mass market media production tools by the part of the elites.

While I don't agree with the one million dollars for everyone bit, because it's basically just instant inflation, he is onto a lot of true stuff and has his heart in the right place. Do you?


It's not instant inflation if we nationalize the FED. The private owners of the FED use fractional banking to lend the same dollar out ten times. THAT is inflation. AND, they charge interest, because the FED is privately owned by private bankers.

p l e a s e n o t e the rest of this post is directed to everyone reading it, it is not a criticism in any way of Zepherian, he's one of the good guys.,

reader, especially new ATSmember -- check it out:

WITH A PUBLICLY OWNED CENTRAL BANK -- there is NO INTEREST CHARGED and NO FRACTIONAL BANKING.

At the current moment the FED has had laws passed about a year or two ago that PROHIBITS THEM FROM REPORTING HOW MUCH NEW BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEY ARE PRINTING AND PUTTING INTO CIRCULATION -- and remember, they loan that amount out 10X and charge interest on money that doesn't even exist.

THAT IS CALLED MONOPOLY AND THEY OWN ALL THE CARDS and they charge all the mortgage interest and rent and credit card interest and own the banks that own the oil companies and utility companies.

WE ARE PEONS, FOLKS -- WE ARE NOT THE CAPITALISTS TO BE DIVESTED -- it is the interlocking directorate of the FED, as starters, then the other central banks.

We are the wage-slaves NOT the capitalists. STOP calling yourself a capitalist -- because YOU DO NOT PRINT THE MONEY AND YOU DO NOT OWN IT.

THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, YOU KNOW. The 'soviet' NOT bolshevik revolution spread throughout Europe not only Russia ... sure it was quickly suppressed by the CENTRAL BANKS -- because it was a global revolution against the CENTRAL BANKS just like OUR American Revolution. EXACTLY the same!

The way they killed people who protested in the United States about having to work 18 hours days 7 days a week WITH NO MINIMUM WAGES was by having the DEPRESSION -- that was when the FED send all the Gold to Germany because the FED bought up German companies after WWI AND after WWII and Japanese ... are you getting it yet, YOU ARE NOT A CAPITALIST, YOU DO NOT OWN THE MONEY, YOU DO NOT PRINT THE MONEY, YOU DO NOT CHARGE INTEREST ON THE MONEY. YOU DO NOT OWN ALL THE GOLD -- the private bankers on the interlocking directorates of the central banks OWN the gold, NOT YOU.

But we've all been mindfu*ked and dumbed down and MIND CONTROLLED TO HATE COMMUNISM -- there was never any communism folks ... sorry to disappoint you ... it was a big mind fu*k by the fascists, nazis, and AMERICAN CAPITALISTS that financed the bolsheviks to destroy the soviets. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY SOVIETS IN OUR LIFETIMES -- no 'worker governing groups' owning industry and providing food and healthcare for everyone. THE SOVIETS WERE DESTROYED BY THE BOLSHEVIKS, AND THE BOLSHEVIKS WERE FINANCED BY BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN.

I hate to impose the discipline and rigors of academic discipline on you, but you'd do well to skim through this post (For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...
) UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT the Christian West Concept was that happened at the end of WWII bringing Nazis into America to found the CIA as a hit squad for the FED -- because the FED and Bank of England financed the Nazis and the Communists.

Are you starting to understand what a CAPITALIST is? Its a badge of treachery and being a traitor. It's a badge of shame and genocide. It's nothing to be proud of -- especially when YOU"RE NOT A CAPITALIST, folks, Bush and Cheney and the FED are ... don't you get it?

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?
www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

watched Esoteric Agenda video,:
video.google.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

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[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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There's supply side inflation in money, which is where you have more money being pumped in to the economy to buy the same goods... but if you give everyone 1 million dollars you'll have demand side inflation, as more people buying the same goods will push up prices. It's better to focus on the system than on the actual capital. It wouldnt do the financial system any harm to just wipe away all the money owned by 1% richest people in the world off the computers. They are hardly using it and it would not be missed. What makes a people wealthy is the dynamics of the economy, not an arbitrary monetary designation of "you have x currency". At the end of the day the amount of money people have more or less designates their position in society, if you reset the system and give everyone a million, they'd be exactly where they were before the system would reset because you didn't increase any production capacity.

You're right about the problem, the banking system, but you're not right about giving people money to solve it. Now, injecting ethics into equity would make a huge diference.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Well actually the international banking corporation is the superpower. They use america as their military lion. And it appears they are trying to get the world to hate americans...and its working quite a bit.

The elite dont care about countries , they want the world. They can sit in europe and call the shots for america. What difference does it make.

Yes there are factions in a sense. Look at the European economy. I watched the devaluation of the dollar from overseas, sometimes happening daily.
Such a super power we are. Gone broke fighting Iraq and afghanistan.

The Euro used to be the same as the dollar. Now its 1.57:1

China passing us up in some ways now. How long will you guys hold on to the illusion we are a stand alone super power. Perhaps in a few more years it will be obvious enough.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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Interesting thread guys. I think the idea of capping the excessively wealthy and redistributing this wealth is a good idea but dolling out $million to every person isn't that good. Imagine if we all had a million, how many of us would be tempted to retire early. While I'm sure other people will eventually take their place meanwhile half the country will come to a stand still (productivity wise). Plus like Zepherian said it would create inflation. I think this money could be used to create services like free medicare, education and welfare etc.
As far as these services are concerned, especially welfare. These should be available to everyone, yes the rich and poor, EVERYONE !! Obviously, welfare should ONLY cover basics, no luxuries. This way, people will still have an incentive to work harder and earn more. The trick is to keep the balance right..



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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I love these guys talking like theyre going to defend their money with their guns or something. lol

The govt takes your taxes before you get your money. And when our system takes over they will take even more before you get it. So i dont know how your going to defend your money from your home , with your guns when it will never make it to you.
Only the super rich will get their money stolen back like they stole it to begin with. And none of you have to worry about that.

Besides, once we stop the trillionaires from robbing us , we will all get raises and most will make more even if they aare taxed higher.

yeah read this.
en.wikipedia.org...

Why does everyone defend the top 6.37% with 33% of the wealth. And thats what the books say. Thats not including the lies and tricks of the hidden elites money. So they probably have 50% the money.

the bottom 80% households earn less than 100K. They wont lose anything , maybe a tad.

As more and more people are becoming poorer ......the attitudes will change. That enormous group of people wont care what you elite backing capitalists want. You cant win....its just time for us to build up and take over. Dont worry you'll thank us later. There are loads of benefits you cant yet see.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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I prefer to think in terms of actual property and not money. You can't really evaluate a true elitist's fortune, because not only does he own physical objects, probably so many he dosen't even have the ability to keep track, but he owns institutions that make money.

A true elitist dosen't even care about money, he has power.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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"If you trip the fastest runners in a race, it won't make the slower runners any faster."

Redistributing wealth will hurt in the long run.

What's your occupation?



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ismail


Wow, what a constuctive post. Slither back home now...


My post contained a better idea than any of this retarded "lets give everyone everything they need BS".



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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It's obvious CT needs to actually study history, and more important, failed economic policies.

I grew up defining the word poor, as did millions of others.

Like millions before me, I have managed to create a successful business and a very comfortable life for myself and my family without any government aid whatsoever.

More government is never the answer. Government intervention is nothing more than a hindrance to both success and freedom.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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That's a sweeping generalization based on your own experiences and is false. Plenty of people have been helped by government intervention. I have had pneumonia that was cured at next to 0 cost by a public health service, for example.

How the government intervenes is what is important. If it were not for rule of law you might not have had the opportunity to setup a business and be successfull. So may I suggest you need to think about it a bit deeper, because individuals can restrict your liberties just as much as institution.

I will agree that too much government is bad though, and that, in different areas, both the EU and the US have too much government. It's going to be hard to correct this mess and very time consuming.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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At a cost next to 0 to you personally, but who do you think funded that public health service?

Hint: Taxpayers.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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I'm a taxpayer too. If you want to look at it from that angle I've more than paid for it. Besides, that system provides employment and good wages to a lot of people too. It's not a negative. Factor in the costs of epidemics... and so on. There's always another side here, and it really is about balance.

Saying taxpayers paid for something dosen't make a point in centrist country.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 01:40 PM
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Considering nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to use taxpayer money to fund healthcare, I'd say it does have a point.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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Mr Marx! I though you were dead! And your theory did not seem to work in the USSR! Have a nice day!





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