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The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:50 AM
Yeah, why the hell should you be privileged to have a better life style just because you were born smarter, Studied harder, worked harder, sacrificed to get ahead. Did successful things, had the insight and fortitude to be successful, and took risks that paid off.

Just because you built a business which employees hundreds from nothing, why should you get to run it?

This reminds me of a chapter from a Kurt Vonnegut novel, where they decide to enforce equality literally, so they put weights on the hands and feet of people who can dance, and noise makers on the heads of smart people so they can't think better than dumb people.

I do believe that there should be maximums on personal income for executives. I suggest 100 times the lowest wage in the business, including part time and temp workers, this way we will not all wind up temp or part time.

Anyone who reaches the maximum should be happy to let the other employees have a chance at a better life. If you want make a higher income, you just need to earn it and make everyone else proportionately better off. This way 90 percent of a corporations pay budget will not go to 1%, the upper executives. This kind of greed is an obscenity, and a perversion of our American principles.

You would still have motivation and capitalism, but you also have a greed inhibitor and a fairer sharing of the profit, not necessarily of the wealth, but of the profit. Those who own the company still own the company and get their proportionate income, on top of the increasing value of the company itself.

Why don't you socialists promote that?
Is it because you want to be in charge of the new regime?

What I am proposing is workable, and achieves your stated goals. Support it and we could make it real. I do not wish to stand in a bread line and wait to be handed my equal loaf.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
reply to post by Zepherian

the country's wealth will ... demoralize anyone that has worked to earn their money, and I am not talking about the 50K a year job, I am speaking to the ones that earn 700K to 1million a year. There are quite a few of these people and families out there that have worked hard to get where they are in life. To take that away you take away anything they have ever done to get there.

No one is taking anything away from them. Plus they get a million dollars more in cash. How painful is that? We're talking about starting divesting those with 200 million dollars or more, AND ALL THE INTERLOCKING DIRECTORS OF THE CENTRAL BANKS, and disbanding the privately owned FED in favor of a publicly owned central bank as the founding fathers wished us to have. Once you nationalize the fed, you nationalize the banks they own and make them publicly owned banks THAT CHARGE NO INTEREST AS WAS INTENDED BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AN AMERICAN CENTRAL BANK, then you nationalize the oil companies their banks own and nationalize the utility companies.


What do you plan on doing with healthcare and the sick and handicapped population during this wonderful redistribution?

The plan will likely take 50 to 100 years to accomplish. Unless of course there is no resistance from armed fascists and neo-con-nazis, in which case it can be done overnight JUST LIKE THE CIA DOES A COUP OVERNIGHT AND THE BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN ASSASSINATE KENNEDY -- IN A HEARTBEAT IT ALL CAN CHANGE, W/O A NUCLEAR WAR.

How do you keep a good doctor that gets paid well for what he/she does employed when you take away their salary and their second home,

again, we're talking about targeting the money-issuing class of private bankers that own the Fed that own the banks that own the oil companies and public utilities -- simply cutting off the head of the beast at the board level and dividing their wealth among their employees.

then cut the pharma companies down so there is no medicine, then cut the holding companies at the knees that own the hospitals so there is no more funding?

The funding you talk of is illusionary and just accomodated by COMMUNAL SOCIAL UNDERSTANDING -- the money is a myth that is accepted by the public to have control over them. It is valueless paper. The FED creates a penny to be worth $1,000 with fractional banking. The funding you talk about is done with DEBT financing, it is not a positive value. Anyone can issue a debt, not just a private banker. The difference is, a publicly owned bank CHARGES NO INTEREST. Therefore, you pay only what the house is worth, not 4-5 times its value in interest to private banks of the interlocking directorate of the privately owned FED.

Here's an interesting post you might enjoy:'NO ONE! will believe you about the No. 1 NWO bank conspiracy – 6% fixed rate mortgage is really a 580% variable mortgage.'

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:27 AM
Go live in Russia CounterTerrorist. See how well the redstribution of wealth under the old Marxist Constitution will do for you. Your quality of life will go down the shyter, I guarantee it.

Re-evaluate your Utopic vision, which is not reality and can never be. It only works on paper and that's the extent of it.

Competition drives human nature in the form of motivation to achieve great things. Socialism/Communism suppresses competition.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by jetxnet]

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 03:51 AM
Americans really need to get over the cold war. Forty years of "the reds are coming for your house and kids" has left the country traumatised and incapable of thinking anything that is even vaguely altruistic.
Most americans don't even know what comunism is, and most of the posts on this thread tend to proove this. "Commie" has become some kind of an insult, and is used out of context to qualify someone who just thinks helping his fellow human brother is a good thing.
For some strange reason, people in america believe it's ok to leave 90% of wealth in the pockets of 5% of the population, but not so to redistribute the wealth evenly.
Hard working is great. But to believe that your average joe worker, who earns minimum wage in 10 hour day factory job "deserves what he gets", and works less than the middle class, is completly stupid. He may be less smart than you, but it doesn't mean that because you consider him to be be inferior, he can be exploited in exchange for a crappy salary.
Your average factory worker builds the economy just as much as the guy who employs him.
You hardcore "capitalist or die" people are really scary. Not only are you prepared to kill for your TV, but you fail to see what the capitalist system has done to the world. Millions starve to death every day, because people like you take the food from their mouthes, to sell it for more.
So the third world is just full of lazy people who don't want to work ? Get a grip. They are starving because multinationals are making huge profits by exploiting their ressources. They employ 6 year old kids for half a dollar a day so that you can wear the newest addidas model.
Capitalists, we are living in YOUR ideal world, and for three quarters of the world's population, it's hell on earth so you can live in heaven. But hey, you deserve it, because you are just hard working, better people ! Give me a break. When you talk about parasites, take a look at yourselves. You drink the third world's BLOOD, not just some other guy's money.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Ismail]

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 05:15 AM
any economic system or government system that you can make up can be and will be exploited as soon as the people begin to find the loopholes, so, I don't really see where going socialism or ripping paul off so peter can have more is gonna help much.
now, if we could change the genetics so that those basic insticts in mankind that makes him want more, inspires him to degrade or devalue others, ect....well, that would probably help much more! but as long as paul sees himself as so much better than peter and thus worthy of 100 times more, well....paul will be looking for the looholes, finding a way to exploit anyway he can to get what he feels he is deserving of.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:23 AM
reply to post by dawnstar

Anyone deserves the right to feed himself and his family. Anyone deserves the right for a roof above their heads. Anyone deserves the right to a decent level of education. It's not "believing", it's knowing that everyone on this rock is intitled to that. You'd be amazed at how less wars, famines and religious maniacs there would be if you granted every human acces to these basic rights.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:17 AM
Oh, where to begin...?

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Judging from your satanic-robin-hood-vine-swinging-faerie icon under your name, I certainly see where you're coming from.

I don't see what my avatar has to do with anything, why you are calling it satanic or why you are implying it's somehow homosexual.

For the record, it's Hal Jordan, a Green Lantern

Originally posted by counterterrorist
The U.S. Constitution mandates a SOCIALIST CENTRAL BANK for the United States, that benefits ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS by NOT charging interest and NOT using fractional banking. It specifically outlaws institutions like Bank of England and Fed of private bankers owning our central bank.

You have been asked repeatedly where the Constitution says this. And repeatedly you have refused, either posting a link that does not provide the information, or quoting several men...who, with the exception of one, are notFounding Fathers. You say the Founding Fathers did not want a privatized bank, but ignore the fact that in 1791, these same Founding Fathers created the First Bank of the United States, a privatized institution.

Please, tell us exactly where in the Constitution it says what you are claiming. Do not post a useless the exact Article, post the exact line.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:48 AM
A question for the mods: Why have you allowed counterterrorist to be abusive towards other members? He has repeatedly insulted members he doesn't agree with, seemingly without repurcussion.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
brain-washed neo-nazi mind-control robots are all the same -- totally uneducated capitalist coward traitor puppets...If anyone should be dead, you are yellow not red ... there, doesn't that rhyme better.

You don't even know Brown Brothers Harriman financed the Bolshevik Party from its onstart - Mr. neo-Nazi. You don't even know Brown Brothers Harriman financed the Bolshevik Party from its onstart - Mr. neo-Nazi...all the people you demonic folks worship were traitors and cowards and murders. Ever hear of John Loftus. Talk about room-temperature IQ bigots, hear hear.

Oh, I forgot, neo-Nazis who worship the NWO don't know how to read, do they?

How's your limited attention span going?

Just like you neo-Nazi pin-heads.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Both of you high school drop-outs could learn to read and read these posts, when you get your hands off your you know what.

I know all fence-post IQ's can't get this one, so don't even try.

You aren't gifted enough or worked hard enough to even skim the pages of that post. You lazy people who don't work and just live off working people will NEVER BE CAPITALISTS, you're just wannabees. You should marry each other.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Yes, beanbrain, I am. Now kiss my ***.

Originally posted by counterterrorist
you and your kind, the corporate fascists and neo-Nazis, prefer to simply kill those people

Originally posted by counterterrorist
You mind-controlled robotic Fed-worshippers who hate Jefferson and favor Hamilton are the real NWO neo-nazi corporate fascist capitalist pigs, aren't you? You're totally uneducated and mad at you're daddy, aren't you?

On top of this, he has posted the same links and the same quotes repeatedly. Why has this been allowed?

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Zepherian

Well I agree with this except for cutting out the government. People can't have no government. if there is no government, the people will make one.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Again, who said anything about cutting out the government?! The type of high wealth capping I propose can ONLY be done by government, specifically by the legislative branch. It would have to be the law of the land laid down by a democratic government of the people for the people. If you want to criticize me then crticize me on the unicornness of this mythical democracy in the modern world.

Darn, now I'm debating your side for you. C'mon dude, stay up to speed.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:03 AM
reply to post by Vasa Croe

Remember that I propose wealth to be capped pretty high, not just one million dollars, and I don't propose any money to be given to anyone.

I have no problem with a doctor making 500k, although depending on the cases I might have a problem in HOW he does it, but thats offtopic.

What I do have a problem is when individuals and families start having macroeconomical relevance and can influence social policies which all nations should have with their private agendas. And this does happen, it's the backdrop of all the illuminati type conspiracy theories, it's their base in reality. It's what is called capitalist concentration of wealth, because it takes money to make money, and it shows that left unchecked money gravitates towards itself, to the detriment of entire nations.

The type of caps I propose, not the low 1m cap which is probably akin to communism, but something high, in the hundreds of millions range, would not affect the common man in the short term, but would end up making the economy more fluid and just and in the mid term would improve the life of the vast majority of the population because it would remove economic centralism.

If you give rich people an endgame, a point at which they have made it, but don't allow them to go further than that, to the point where they remove opportunity instead of creating it you create room for other entrepeneurs to fill the void and you have a more dynamic economy. This is not communism or capitalism, it is a centralist policy which tries to balance these, taking the good points of both and checking out the bad.

It's hard to think out of the box, isn't it?

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:55 AM
It's been a fascinating read. And, as usual, the arguments break along the usual factional lines with conservatives hurling insults and spreading fear.

As there are almost no manufacturing jobs left for the middle class and most everyone now works in the service industry in some capacity, it will be interesting to revisit the opinions of those members squawking about "commies" and "leftist" when the economy finally does give up the ghost. The service economy will not last long - Who will buy all of the goods and services when everyone makes a shameful wage due to the downward pressure of ever-escalating, never-enough corporate profits?

We are absolutely living in corporate indentured servitude. Feudal lords have been replaced by coporations and we're all supposed to be so grateful for our pittance.

See you cowards in the food line. Maybe one of those 5% money-bags will be there handing out some pocket change. Feed your kids with that.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:06 AM
reply to post by Zepherian

Well I don't think the rich should be robbed. Taxed more I guess, yea, but that's it.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:08 AM
reply to post by counterterrorist


Do you even understand the financial world?

DO you know what Inflation is?

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:10 AM
reply to post by WhatTheory

WhatTheory says:

Since all jobs will pay the same why would anyone have an incentive to take a job that requires a lot of studying (like a doctor) when they could just be a janitor and get paid the same amount?

Sorry, pal ... am interested in QUALITY NOT QUANITY. I already referred you to the MMPI psychological inventory used to match applicates to jobs that match their personalities ... same thing is used on the internet to match couples by their personality traits.

WhatTheory says:

The point is innovation is gone which leads to stagnation and then a decline in one's way of life.

Baloney. There again you show absolutely no awareness of the plight of the majority of the people in the world. Capitalism has only been enshrined as long as their have been PRIVATELY OWNED CENTRAL BANKS INSTEAD OF PUBLICLY OWNED CENTRAL BANKS -- again, please read eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?

I have no idea why you defend the NWO with such verocity. And why you love the capitalist private owners of the FED who OWN the money and ISSUE the money. Why is it you get off defending the FED and the NWO?

WhatTheory says:

Judging by your response you plan on dictating people's jobs. Who gets to decide this?

Wrong. People's own personality tell them what they want to do. Don't you remember being a kid. Some kids ALWAYS want to be a fireman or doctor or whatever -- can't you remember? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY. Again, see MMPI.

WhatTheory says:

So you will tell somebody what their job will be and at the same time telling a Doctor that he will get paid the same as a janitor even though it takes years and years of schooling. Or a policeman will get the same pay as a ditch digger even though the policeman will be risking his life.

Wrong. Everyone gets the paid the same because it takes the same amount of time out of one's life -- whether it's 4 hours a day or 3 hours a day or 16 hours a day ... because EVERYONE WORKS AS LONG OR AS SHORT AS THEY WANT TO -- THIS IS FREEDOM, DUDE.

WhatTheory says:

Your thinking is dangerous.

Baloney. Wake up and walk away from your robotic conditioning. There are more than enough resources in the world. There is more than enough food able to be produced in the world. Peak oil is simply capitalistic mind control and market manipulation. MONEY itself is a myth.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:21 AM
reply to post by kosmicjack

It's been a fascinating read. And, as usual, the arguments break along the usual factional lines with conservatives hurling insults and spreading fear.

Ironic, little slight on Conservatives eh? Can't all be self righteous commie loons mate.

As there are almost no manufacturing jobs left for the middle class and most everyone now works in the service industry in some capacity

Not really. Sure, manufacturing jobs where cut, and the middle class suffers .. but I don't think over paid factory workers brought about an end to the middle class...

Ironic also that is was left wing commies setting up powerful unions to control the wages. I to would take a job at GM making $35 an hour to set on a stool and put seat belts in cars.

Also, if you notice, it is the AMERICAN companies fleeing over seas. Japanese, Korean companies are coming to America. In fact, Honda just built a plant less then a 100 miles from here. Toyota is supposed to do some expanding as well.

GM and Delphi are leaving though.

The service economy will not last long

"Service" is in line with hotels, restaurants, stores and shopping centers...

Do you think that the middle class is within the Service sector?

People seem to forget, the highest level of job creation in the US is 1. Financial and 2. Ingenuity ... ideas .. ideas produce money, they change our world.. it is those with the ideas and the jobs that support the corporations that dream them up that actually employ the factories in China.

ho will buy all of the goods and services when everyone makes a shameful wage due to the downward pressure of ever-escalating, never-enough corporate profits?

The same people that work in the corporations?

We are absolutely living in corporate indentured servitude. Feudal lords have been replaced by coporations and we're all supposed to be so grateful for our pittance.



I work for the corporations and they steal 40hrs a week from me!! They make me sell crap I dun wanna sell! .. They give me two weeks paid vacation!! doh! that's a good thing..... Well .. at any rate.. the price of the vending machine went up 10 cents!!!!

Either way, I think I like this slavery bit. Just bought a house, a car, a tv, going to Myrtle Beach in August, Ireland in December, buying a second car for the woman, gunna have a good ol' time remodeling my new house, I go out to eat every other night, go to the best live bands in the coolest bars and have a never ending supply of Guinness.

Slavery is a hard life to live mate...

I trudge on anyways.. It's all you can do ...

See you cowards in the food line. Maybe one of those 5% money-bags will be there handing out some pocket change. Feed your kids with that.

Yes yes .. reallocation of wealth would prevent food lines... oh wait.. we would all be poor, isn't that what communism is? Make everyone live at the lowest standard? Me, I am having steak and potatoes tonight. I'll think of you though, you and your lil cup of rice and bit o' sour milk. As we say mate, Sláinte!

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:24 AM

Originally posted by MegaTherion
reply to post by RRconservative

in which case, I'd like to point out to my hardcore free-market peeps that if you have this hard-ass attitude, people WILL pull themselves up... by YOUR bootstraps. if you are the one with the needed good, and they can't GET that needed good, they will probably kill you if necessary to insure the survival of their kids, loved ones, and selves.

Here's a url you might enjoy, as it totally agrees with you ... it's about how the nazis did and neo-nazis and WO and NWO do exactly what you're talking about happening. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, LIMITED RESOURCES etc. For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers

Was really a front for the Bank of England, Fed, and Bundesbank who financed BOTH sides. YOU can either kill people or feed them, your call.

RRConservative says:

you know poor people are only illusions. they stop existing when you throw them out the door. just POOF! lol

You can also make them reappear by taking your head out of your b*tt or taking your hands off your d***.

First of all, you're confusing CAPITALISM with HUMANITY -- capitalists do not behave as human beings, they act like animals and greedy killers.

You don't have a trust fund. You're not a venture capitalist. You're not an international banker. YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST -- YOU JUST THINK YOU ARE.

You’re really just a mind-controlled robotic presence with concrete where compassion and feeling should be. You don’t care about the misery in the world, all you care about is yourself and supporting the NWO capitalists. You’re not even a patriot. Patriots don’t approve of the FED and NOW, and you do.

Why in God's name would you defend a corrupt monopoly like the FED? Who are illegally and unconstitutionally in place as a Rothschild private bank of Warburgs etc, Why?

You don't have their wealth and genocidal and military and social and economic destablization powers and private cia and mi-6 armies. YOU DON"T PROFIT a pinch compared to them and their war and oil and energy profiteering.

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?

What companies do you hate the most

Are you in the Social Register, the Blue Book? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, DO YOU? Those are the people who along with the FED CONTROL AND OWN AMERICA -- THOSE ARE THE CAPITALISTS, NOT YOU.

Who do you think you're supporting ... the NWO robot that will marginalize you sooner or later, or buy up your company or foreclose on your house or your business or inflate or deflate your 'money' and/or restrict your loans --- CAPITALIST MYTHOLOGY IS PSYCHOPATHIC AND SOCIOPATHIC

The U.S. is supposed to -- according to the founding fathers -- have a SOCIALIST central bank, owned by the people of the U.S., not a privately-owned bank – as defined by the founding fathers and as fought for by them – by some of them, such as Jefferson, who wanted social enlightenment and health and wealth, against those like Hamilton, who wanted the Bank of England to control and financially enslave Americans.

90% of Americans die with no savings. That’s a simple statistic, my Cointelpro agent provocateur flag waving paid to disrupt ATS. You can take your capitalist bullsh*t propaganda swim in it. Don’t preach to me about how wealthy the U.S. and it’s people are.

Oh, I get it. Corporate socialism is okay, giving billions of dollars to oil companies and other corporations is okay. But, giving billions of dollars to socially disadvantaged kids is wrong. You’re a real, right-wing nut. Totally self-centered, totally greedy, totally unable to feel or exercise compassion for mankind, only hate and envy.

Therefore, you should be in the front trenches in Iraq defending Bush’s capitalism war machine and get capitalist agent orange and capitalist Remington bullets and capitalist biowar agents ingested.


“Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government … More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners … Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.” ~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

“Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” ~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

“Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate.” ~ President James Garfield, 1891

“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. ... By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker’s Magazine

[edit on 26-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:33 AM

Originally posted by counterterrorist
The U.S. is supposed to -- according to the founding fathers -- have a SOCIALIST central bank, owned by the people of the U.S., not a privately-owned bank – as defined by the founding fathers and as fought for by them – by some of them, such as Jefferson, who wanted social enlightenment and health and wealth, against those like Hamilton, who wanted the Bank of England to control and financially enslave Americans.

Once have made this claim, but have not backed it up. Please show us where the Founding Fathers wanted a socialist bank, please show us where in the Constitution this is mandated (or a privately owned bank prohibited). Or show us where this is called for in any of the founding documents.

And please, do not post the exact same quotes you have posted over and over again. We have seen them, you do not need to post them again. With the exception of one, they are not from Founding Fathers.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:35 AM

Originally posted by coop039
One million dollars for a lifetime? Lets see, assuming we are allowed to start collecting at 18 years of age, and assuming we live to say 75, thats only 17,543 per year. Oh yeah! cant wait to start spending!

How much do you want, my greedy, lazy friend?

You're the kind of person the convervatives are talking about who won't work for a living.

The million dollars in cash -- you will NEVER otherwise accumulate IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE -- 95%-99% of Americans die with NO SAVINGS. duh.

This money is in addition to what you earn, so you can afford to get educated, and things like that. Its a lump sum payment.

Don't want it, then refuse it and keep working at Jack In The Box.

Want more than a million, then ask for it.

What are you going to do with a million dollars, what are you going to buy -- I have a feeling about you, what you want is sex, drugs and rock 'n roll.

As you said to me: lol.

Enjoy being a wage-slave buddy and 60-80-hr weeks, that what you're signed up for.

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:39 AM
reply to post by SaviorComplex

FAr as I have read the founding fathers where strict believers in free capitalism and the laissez fair policy keeping government out of the capitalist system.

If anything by their standards the system is already to socialized!

posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 11:52 AM
posted by Gorman91

oh, great. Perhaps you didn't see what happened when Russia tried this?

Actually, I did. And interacted with State Department, Naval and Air Force intelligence about it. --When the Soviets rebelled for freedom from slavery under the totalitarian Czarist regime that was backed by the Bank of England and the Fed, and Germany attacked ... the Russian defeated the Germans which as you may or may not recall, the Soviets were our allies (they were on our side) in WWI and WWII. THE SOVIETS DEFEATED THE NAZIS -- NOT THE U.S.

Then, after they saved the world's butt TWICE in both world wars, the U.S. hired the Nazis to run the CIA and the USA became a Nazi and neo-Nazi fascist country .... which it remains so today under the current totalitarian dictatorship of Cheney and Bush.

When you have a minute, scan through this post ... I know it's a lot to ask because it's a long post --- HOWEVER it documents 100% what I just said. And you have a good heart and good intentions and you'll only benefit from struggling to get through this post:For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
Until you can tell a friend what the Christian West Nazi/U.S./Fed/Bank of England agreements were to perpetuate the Nazi WO into the NWO, you need to keep hammering away at getting through this url.

What happened during the Reagan/Bush(Nazi) administration was that the FED and Bank of England DESTABILIZED THE SOVIET UNION -- OUR ALLIES WHO SAVED OUR LIVES IN WWI AND WWII. -- AND did mind control on the U.S. as usual and said ... oh, now Russia's our friend because they vote. IT WAS ALL ABOUT U.S. & BRITISH CAPITALISTS STEALING RUSSIA'S OIL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE ... ON THE WEST'S DRIVE TO CONQUER AND ENSLAVE CHINA. Welcome to foreign policy 101.

Humans evolved from Apes. We require an alpha male/female to lead us.

Baloney. Don't be a mind-controlled robot. High IQ doesn't evolve from low IQ -- just look at all the nuts participating in this thread ... you don't see them getting smarter, do you?

If England wanted to bankrupt the capitalists, wouldn't that BREED communism, not crush it?

The City of London's Bank of England and Wall Street's Fed ARE the capitalists who issue money and own it and rent it to us at, literally, 1,000 times it's value. We are the wage-slaves, NOT them. THEY own us.

And, about what you call the human need to be led by Alpha personalities ... NOT SO ... it's just that the athletes normally bully the artists and bookworks.

It's a trait of 'aggression'. Of bullying. You raise a great point. What do we do with all of the people who'd rather fight than not.

I say, put them on an island together and let them kill each other.

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