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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
How can you make that point about gun ownership in the US being responsible for our crime rate, without seeing the glaring contradiction?
Originally posted by slackerwire
Sadly it seems there aren't any anti gunners in sight.
Perhaps they actually had some sense knocked into them.
We no longer live in a society where there are functional militias defending States rights and 'freedom.'
The majority of the civilised, democratic world do not allow, or are highly restrictive of, gun possession. Not Unironically, the rest of the civilised, democratic world has a significantly lower per-capita rate of crime. Is there a correlation? Yes. Is it a causation? Perhaps.
For Instance, D.C.'s murder rate fell from 3.5 to 3 times more than Maryland and Virginia's during the five years before the handgun ban went into effect in 1977, but rose to 3.8 times more in the five years after it.
Neither have bans worked in other countries. Gun crime in England and Wales increased 340 percent in the seven years since their 1998 ban. Ireland banned handguns and center fire rifles in 1972 and murder rates soared — the post-ban murder rate average has been 144 percent higher than pre-ban.
The Home Office figures - which exclude crimes involving air weapons - show the number of deaths and injuries caused by gun attacks in England and Wales soared from 864 in 1998-99 to 3,821 in 2005-06. That means that more than 10 people are injured or killed in a gun attack every day.
Crime had been decreasing for over twenty years, until the government interfered with the gun laws. After the ban, the crime rate exploded. Thanks a lot, Mr. Prime Minister. As Dr. Miguel Faria reports:
“Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there has been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies, an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults, and a 3.2 percent increase in homicides. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent.
Unfortunately, and to add to the muddledness, it seems to me that the individuals who own the guns, and are more likely to gravitate toward violence to preserve their way of life, are the ones that tend to side with those that I feel would take away my freedom....so, really, its a lose-lose situation, as far as I can see.
They hunt(ed). My brother on the other hand, lives in Miami and owns an assault rifle and a sniper rifle, which he justifies ownership along the "home invasion" lines...this is not rational, and he should not be allowed to own such weapons...
Originally posted by Gatordone
I've said it before, I'll keep saying it till I don't have to anymore...
"The second amendment is inalienable. There is no argument, there is no debate. There are only weinie libs that wish there were no God to give us the rights they think are theirs to give and take away."
Originally posted by Gatordone
There are only weinie libs that wish there were no God to give us the rights they think are theirs to give and take away."
Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Go ahead and ban guns. People like me will get them in anyway and make a FORTUNE selling them. I am a good guy right now. I obey the laws, and do what I am suppose to. If they ban guns all that will end. If you ban guns in the US then we will get them through Mexico......Like everything else.
From this Economist article.
But the Mexicans, as well as America's Democrats, have grumbles. Eduardo Medina Mora, Mexico's attorney-general, has repeatedly asked the Americans to do more to stop the flow of illegal weapons from north to south. In response, the United States' Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has started sharing information with Mexican counterparts, says Thomas Shannon, the State Department's top official for Latin America.
You want to stop gun crimes? Get rid of all the guns. Make them illegal, so when one is found, it is destroyed. If the criminals and the people don't have guns, then we are all on the same playing field.
Of course a lot of violence does not happen when you can't grab a gun so easily. Say that you get fired. A lot of people get angry then. But when you don't have a gun at home you can't immediately shot down your boss.
Originally posted by mlmijyd
Guns are for killing and I'm not a great believer in any tool that has been designed for that reason. I think your (US) statistics show eloquently the impact of allowing ANYONE to own and use these killing tools. And, no I’m not in favour of Armies/Police either as their record of death is wholly evident on a global scale, fact!