Originally posted by Guerilla
Sorry about my post, i did it in a rush before work, i had to ask a question!!
Well you answerd my question, but you said he fulfiled SOME of the Laws, but how on earth would we know that he wasnt a practacing Jew, i mean
he did get kinda angry when people were selling stuff in front of the Temples, how do you or we know that he didnt go in there and pray and do what
other normal jews did?
i mean hes mission was quite clear he wanted people to go back to how they were, he was angry at them for going astray, he was also angry at the fact
that the leaders were theselves liers, and i think he was just teaching the people to learn there scriptures.
Please correct me if im wrong please.
Yeah, that's a really good question. First, about the old testament: The old testament contains Genesis(describes through narrative the creation,
and the early history of humans), Exodus and a few other books(these talk about how Moses and the Hebrews and how they escaped Egypt and established
their own land "promised land"), then a few books of laws and guidelines of how to live a holy life, a few others that demonstrate God's judgment
and His forgiveness for those who repent, some books that follow the history of Israeal and its kings(for example king David) and then many books of
the prophets. (like the book of Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, etc.) These books of prophets all are accounts of these different men who tell of the
Messiah to come, in other words, Jesus. (see my signature btw from Isaiah) They wrote the prophecies they received through God. The cool thing
about all these different men and authors is that they lived at various time periods, yet they all fit together and support each other.
So this was basically the books the Jews had at the time of Jesus. And yes, you are right when you say Jesus told them to revert back and do what the
old testament told them (basically the books that addressed the laws and guidelines to live) Jesus did this because the high priests and leaders of
the Jews would yes, follow some of the laws, BUT overttime they had added A TON of stuff to it like really unnecessary practices, and some parts from
the old testament they ignored them altogether. So basically, the Jews had turned themselves obsessive about doing certain acts and following rules
for the SAKE of just DOING them, and they had lost sight of some of the important ones, and more crucially, they lost sight of how God really wanted
them to be. You could say they became OVERLY religious.
So yes, Jesus tried to renew in a sense the laws as they were written and emphacized why these laws are important, which was the fact that they were
for God, and not important for the sake of just doing them in a robotic manner of sorts. And yes, you're right that these leaders were selfish and
more worried about their positions and used and followed the laws just to impress people of how "obediant" and "holy" they could be. So this was
part of Jesus mission. It was important, but His primary purpose was to show Himself to be the Messiah that the other parts of the old testament
(like the books and parts that foretell who and what the Messiah will do), and to then die. He died to recieve all the punishment that was earned by
mankind, and so took the judgment of God that HAD to be implemented to pay for the sin (instead of just sweeping it all under the rug) so that we
could be pure of it and once again be clean in order to make it to heaven.
So you ARE right that Jesus did what He did. He WAS a Jew. But He came not only to redirect the Jews back to following the laws appropriately, but
to fulfill what was foretold of Him, and because He did, some things of the old testament (not all) but some were no longer needed. Such as animal
sacrifices, because He became the sacrifice from that point onward, and a few other things. Obviously, some of the Jews, especially many of the
leaders and high priests either didn't believe He was the Messiah because they failed to see that He fulfilled what the old testament said, or they
were jealous of Him because they were no longer as important as before. So they tried to hinder Him, discredit Him, and eventually had Him crucified.
(which ironically, fulfilled the last part to prove that Jesus was the Messiah) Of course, many Jews saw Him for what He was and became Christians.
So they were Jews by heritage, and Christians because they believed in Jesus. So the Jews split in this way and the ones who didn't believe, are
still waiting for the Messiah to come the first time to this day. Did that clear it up?
[Edited on 8-3-2004 by SimpleTruth]