Seven pages with my morning coffee, and interesting reading. Normally, I do the old eye roll when these threads come up, and I did for this one as
well. But I often read on in hopes of a jewel or two amongst the dregs. For once I was rewarded with a bonanza.
I have starred and applauded more than once in this thread; more than normal. I've never been known for handing out applause like party favors, so
that says a lot. There are some valid points raised and met, and growth should result from that. I like growth, though it's often painful for all
Rosobasi420, I'll get back to you in a moment.
Donoso, you and I joined at around the same time, yet it seems we have taken divergent paths in our attitude about the value of ATS. Where you sound
as if ATS has failed you, I feel the opposit. Perhaps it's the glass half empty or half full problem.
LateApexer313, you have my star.
Thanks for keeping the laughter, and the strangely accurate view of ATS, in our minds. We need, IMO, to come here
for enjoyment, not to increase our stress, as some appear to do.
loam, you're right, it is the responsibility of members, not staff, to keep the quality high. To "blame" ATS for poor quality, when it is all
member generated material that we're about, is like blaming the water because you can't swim.
And last, but certainly not least, back to our OP. You lament the days of yore, but one has to wonder if what you really lament is the innocence you
came to ATS with as oppossed to the self you are now. Were you the polished urbane poster then, self confident and fact filled? Go back and read your
old posts with a critical eye, you may be surprised. And yet you would have that experience denied others just to satisfy the new and improved you?
And for those few who question the training and intentions of the staff. I can speak for no one but myself, but I assure you I want basically the same
thing most of you want; a better ATS. There isn't a training course for moderators, we just police ourselves and each other, the same as members
do. As a matter of fact, I still have no idea how I was even chosen to be asked to take the position, as I'm an outspoken, sometimes
harsh, critic of ignorance in all it's forms.
I can also be wrong, make errors, fail to notice, be blind, have shortcomings, make assumptions, have a bad day, and all the other things that we
humans are prone to be and do. The only remedy is to pick myself up, dust off, and go forward. I get no compensation for this job other than the self
satisfaction that I will leave the world a better place for having gave back.
And if you think there's nasty ignorance and hate on the boards, you should read some of the names I've been called in U2Us.
And the ironic
thing about being called a low down Natzi ******** is half the time it comes from people complaining about how they see so much hate and ignorance
posted in threads.
So maybe, in the final analysis, it's more about what you want from ATS; from yourself. If you come here to learn and grow as a person, and to assist
your fellow man in growing, then you stay in the good times and the bad. You assist where you can, and you deny ignorance without denying others, and
yourself, the right and chance to grow beyond ignorance.
But if you come here seeking a refuge for just your own brand of tinfoil, then you spend your time seeking converts and complaining that the porridge
is too hot or too cold. If your attitude is to sway others, because you already have all the answers, and complaining when they fail to be pursuaded,
you're unlikely to grow anything except an ever greater harvest of cynicism.
ATS, like life, gives you back only what you invest, and it gives you back exactly the fruit you plant the most.
Edit because I failed at spelling "porridge" correctly.
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