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Terra Papers - I was there

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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Thank you kshaund for the response. Now then, where can I go to see these carvings? How do I get there? Who has or is stopping access?

Roper




posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Roper
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Thank you kshaund for the response. Now then, where can I go to see these carvings? How do I get there? Who has or is stopping access?

Roper


They are in the canyonlands - cannot be more specific because I wasn't the guide, only a participant from Canada and totally unfamiliar with the geography - the canyonlands are under the rules of the parks - it is they who cut off access to certain areas, usually under the excuse of visitors are causing erosion....



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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The next problem is the inability to disconnect the decisions of kings and leaders , from the actions of the people. For example, King Hot-in-Pot decides to go to war with King Cool-in-Pot. These two guys are actually fighting each other but they use their people to do the deed. Later, critics of the event blame the people, who were the unwitting pawns or unfortunate citizens of this event.

Furthermore, they blame the "gods" of these Kings because clearly, the Kings are acting in their stead. Although this may be true in some cases, it is highly unlikely it will always be the case, especially as it regards actions that are clearly outside the teachings of said "gods." For example, imagine this scenario:

Prince Love-n-Peace comes to the Earth from some other place, and ends up with a bunch of people deciding to follow him instead. This is a problem because the Kings currently in charge, have their own paradigms they've been following. So they kill Prince Love-n-Peace. This martyrdom engenders even more interest in his teachings. The Kings try to eradicate the idea by eradicating the followers, which results in the rest of the Kings people viewing the scenario rather dimly. The Kings begin losing popularity. It seems as if the people of Prince Love-n-Peace will change the face of the planet. The Kings, after having exhausted the other options:
1. killing the Prince
2. killing the followers of the Prince
Opt for a third possibility:
3. Usurp the belief of the followers, claim to believe it, insert the Kings own subjects in the positions of power, overrule the teachings by inserting the King as the voice of Prince of Love-n-Peace, and then make it the religion of the people by force (so they rebel). Then the Kings can go out and do whatever they want, to whomever they want and blame it on the followers of the belief. Be sure to protect the Kings own subjects though (et.al, the ones who don't believe it to begin with), but target the people who do believe it as it was originally taught. Take over the whole world in violent, bloody coups and make the Prince of Love-n-Peace look guilty by association. Be sure to pull verses out of context and use them as examples of how the Prince of Love-n-Peace is actually a god of war.. Game, set, match.



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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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And finally, (these are all examples of how surface noise can cause the issue to be muddled to the point where it appears to be one way when in fact, it is not or was not), after being indoctrinated by art and history, that the past looks like this and was the result of that, it's much easier to slip things by people's logic filters, such as the "son" of god being the same as the "sun" of god or "God's sun". The picture of the sun going threw the twelve signs of the zodiac is displayed as evidence. Have you ever looked up the words for son and sun in the original languages these "ideas" were supposedly created from? Not only are they not spelled the same, they are literally nothing alike. At all. But this idea slips right past the logic centers of people because they've been indoctrinated to believe the ancient past is one big metaphor with no actual reality in it, whatsoever. This works for them so well, that even IF people start believing in a god of some kind, it usually isn't Jesus. every effort you can possibly imagine, has been used to discredit him, including preying on the inability of people to read more than the surface noise.

(next up, the rest of my review of the Terra papers)

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by undo
if you've seen that video called zeitgeist, you might be aware of the attempt to prove jesus was a fiction based on the sun gods of egypt.
how they make this connection in one of their examples is "son of god" equals "sun god".

the silly thing is, sun and son in egyptian were spelled totally different and the hieroglyphs for them were different as well. also totally different in latin and greek. etc.


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they didn't use the words son and sun being phonetically similar in the english language as proof.

although it does add a synconicity value to it.

they used christian/catholic symbolism, dates and quotes to back what they thought.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by Shawn B.]



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 02:19 PM
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I am enjoying the Terra Papers. Some aspects of it ring very true to me. Others seem forced, contrived, as if somewhere along the line, Robert read something and decided to insert it because it might've sounded like a continuation or clarification of what the ET said. But since I can't prove that, I have to go with comparative analysis.

My analysis process:
Rule #1. Verification in other historical documents.
Rule #2 If verfied, but no agreement on premise, find out why even if you have to search every available ancient text and find the original meanings and alternate meanings of the words.
Rule #3 If verified and in agreement on premise, check other ancient texts to see if they also agree

The ASA. RRR is one of the sticky points for me, and I'll tell ya why. From my research and the research of others, including alternative egyptologists, mainstreamers and so on, ASAR was one of Osiris' names. Not just in Egypt, but also in Mesopotamia. He had several names, most of them due to cultural differences, location and time in history that the references are made (language variants). Problem is, ASAR was not an ancient in the sense of the ASA.RRR. He was Nimrod, Narmer, Enmerkar, all the same guy. There's even text that connects him to Gilgamesh. I had concluded that he was Enki's latest host body in that timeframe. So how do these two things end up connected... I dunno. Could the ASA.RRR be an example of the Goa'uld of Stargate SG-1? Perhaps.

The next problem is how EA is conveniently relocated from this planet to Uranus when he does the bulk of his genetic experiments, but this is not in agreement with the rest of the texts that came out of ancient sumer. That's worrisome.

The next has more to do with my interpretation of the events in Genesis and Enki and Ninmah. It's my belief that the Abzu was a stargate and that when we were kicked out of Eden, it was actually on another planet and our expulsion was more of a "we followed him threw the stargate under the pretense that he'd teach us to be like the "gods", who were basically a bunch of fallen angels who had taken up the use of technology to mimic acts of God. And this was the sum total of what he had to do with our creation - et.al, he brought us here as slaves, under false pretenses, and then claimed he created us because that's how people viewed the stargates - like gigantic wombs creating the gods and originally the slaves. Then the gates were recalibrated so we couldn't return to our homes. The 7 birth goddesses were 7 gates, located at various sites on this planet and other planets in and out of the solar system.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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CATHOLIC imagery, which was based on PAGAN imagery, not judaic imagery. The hebrews had a lunar calendar, with 12 and 13 month years. And yes, he's trying to say son of god is the same thing as sun god. not only are you not the sun, you are not the sun god, yet you are the son of your father and even more precisely, your heavenly father, which they are trying to say is the sun. How does your father end up being your son? It's just word play for the benefit of tricking those who don't wish to think past the english language or the catholic ecumenical attempts to absorb the entire planet.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Shawn B.
 


CATHOLIC imagery, which was based on PAGAN imagery, not judaic imagery. The hebrews had a lunar calendar, with 12 and 13 month years. And yes, he's trying to say son of god is the same thing as sun god. not only are you not the sun, you are not the sun god, yet you are the son of your father and even more precisely, your heavenly father, which they are trying to say is the sun. How does your father end up being your son? It's just word play for the benefit of tricking those who don't wish to think past the english language or the catholic ecumenical attempts to absorb the entire planet.




and christian, christian's ride around in cars with the fish stickers on the bumper, crosses and preform the same rituals/rites ect.

christians use the bible which quotes were taken from and celebrate the holidays that catholics do which were used to in the movie as well.

christians aren't exempt.

why do you think they say in the movie that because son and sun in the english langauge sound simliar it means son of god must mean sun of god?

i really don't remember them saying that.


[edit on 29-6-2008 by Shawn B.]



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 04:11 PM
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just because they followed some of the tradtions established by catholicim, doesn't mean they are textually accurate traditions. they were traditions, which are different than teachings. in other words, you're calling everything they did as an example of their religion, which is false.

jesus wasn't born on december 25th but sometime in september, based on the hebrew calendar events mentioned in the text at the time of his birth.

the christmas tree was based on a pagan tradition related to the death of nimrod, who was osiris. which was probably related to the story of isis finding
osris' body in a cedar tree in the palace of Byblos.

jesus' name is actually yehshua, which is translated into english as joshua and into latin, as jesus.

you are the temple of God. you are the church building. not a literal building. this is scriptural.

there are hundreds of examples where the actual calendar of the early christians was changed to incorporate pagan holidays in rome's bid to bring the religions of the world under its umbrella.

statues of the pagan gods were simply renamed. and although there is some foundation in comparison between the two (see the divine council), it was disengenious to name them after jesus, mary and the apostles.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 04:57 PM
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i'm not saying that, i'm saying the movie showed stuff that christians and catholics share in common to back up what they thought.

i don't agree with thier conclusions anyway.




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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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One of the problems I see with your position is the disconnects that have to be made for the entire picture to be an integrated whole. For example, you connect with the idea that the texts have been tampered with to the detriment of EA, then disconnect where it refers kindly to EA (by disconnect I mean you put your suspicions on a temporary hold when the text is kind to him), then connect again, where it doesn't refer kindly to him or rather where the perception is that it doesn't refer kindly to him. The overall result is you're willing to allow the text some leeway provided it's in the favor of EA, but no leeway when it is not.


Um... You said yourself that until the Bible, texts about EA were positive about him and that he became "evil" with the advent of the Bible. I "disconnect" from the Bible - with the exception of what Jesus (IESU) actually taught. I "connect" with the Terra Papers, and only remarked that the early texts support the Papers, and that the sudden, biblical demonization of him also corresponds to the Papers.

Why is this...wishy-washy, perhaps? What problem do you see with this?


In addition, you feel as if other texts not related to the sumerian texts or the Terra Papers, have been so highly tampered with they are no longer reliable and are full of lies,


I said that, as the Terra Papers suggest, many texts have been tampered with or, mostly destroyed. It's not that it has anything to do with the Sumerian texts - I suspect most were destroyed, and the rest are (have been) chalked up to "primitive, silly myths of people who were trying to make sense of the Universe." I was surprised by how supportive of the Papers the ancient texts actually are.

Oh, and please don't tell me what I feel. A better choice of phrasiology would be something like, "It appears to me that you feel..."

Thanks.


but you accept with some margin of error, the mainstream versions of the ancient past, not only written by Enki's priests but translated by the same system you claim is corrupt beyond measure (our modern institutions) as regards translations.


Huh??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.


The dichotomy of it is confusing and so selective, that it doesn't even notice it has went against its own paradigm to prove any points that might discredit even a bit.


What dichotomy? The Papers say that when the Old Testament was written, Ea was demonized. The link you offered with the translations from Sumer all support him as "the good guy" and the representation of him as Evil Serpent in the Bible seems to be the beginning of the efforts to denigrate him and his teachings.

Just as the Papers would suggest.

Please, do tell me what the dichotomy is.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by undo
I am enjoying the Terra Papers. Some aspects of it ring very true to me. Others seem forced, contrived, as if somewhere along the line, Robert read something and decided to insert it because it might've sounded like a continuation or clarification of what the ET said. But since I can't prove that, I have to go with comparative analysis.


I did not get this, but then I approached it with no preconceived notions as this thread is evidence that you did...


My analysis process:
Rule #1. Verification in other historical documents.


Well, we have Ea as the good guy until the Bible - just as the Papera suggest... There's a good start. I also know they have found Egyptian records that have been altered... Does that count? I look around at the illogical state the Universe is in - and by shifting paradigm to that of the Papers, it all makes sense... Might that work, as well?


Rule #2 If verfied, but no agreement on premise, find out why even if you have to search every available ancient text and find the original meanings and alternate meanings of the words.


And here you set yourself up for failure. In many instances there is no way to "find the original meanings and alternate meanings of the words." You just have to hope your best guess is good enough - unless you own a time machine...


Rule #3 If verified and in agreement on premise, check other ancient texts to see if they also agree


That is good practice. But in a case where documents are said to have been altered or destroyed, one has to be very careful.


The ASA. RRR is one of the sticky points for me, and I'll tell ya why. From my research and the research of others, including alternative egyptologists, mainstreamers and so on, ASAR was one of Osiris' names.


Could that be an interpretive error? Suppose it is presumed that a term for a group is interpreted as an individual - and maybe across cultures the misinterpretation happens as well - Like, say, The Arty-Farts are spoken of in the Uppity group by habit as though they are the being Arty-Fart - merely giving the group an individual presence. And a traveler from a relatively distant area, the Downity, comes and is taught that God = Arty-Fart. Well this traveler is not so good at pronouncing the language of the Uppities, and he goes home and teaches that Hartysarty equals God...

Could happen.

So I could make a case for why ASAR (ASA-RRR) came to be seen as an individual God, and not a group of Gods.


Problem is, ASAR was not an ancient in the sense of the ASA.RRR. He was Nimrod, Narmer, Enmerkar, all the same guy.


Or presumed to be, or, having transformed though the aeons from a group to a perceived single being, "he" was given different title preferred by the people, or people who knew the truth who wanted to spread confusion told us that all these dissimilar (from ASA-RRR/ASAR) names were the same as ASAR... Or who knows.


There's even text that connects him to Gilgamesh. I had concluded that he was Enki's latest host body in that timeframe. So how do these two things end up connected... I dunno. Could the ASA.RRR be an example of the Goa'uld of Stargate SG-1? Perhaps.


And I don't. [shrug] I wonder why you think Ea is taking over bodies and holds this planet. You seem emotionally invested in this. VERY emotionally invested. The Papers make far more sense to me than Ea suddenly going whacko and becoming evil, taking over people's bodies and wreaking havoc.

So what's your interest?


The next problem is how EA is conveniently relocated from this planet to Uranus when he does the bulk of his genetic experiments, but this is not in agreement with the rest of the texts that came out of ancient sumer. That's worrisome.


Dude, he could travel in space with ease, and went to all the planets where he had interests relatively often keeping tabs on what was happening. But he focused his energies on his favorite planet, and favorite creation. Eridu and Us. It never says he "relocated" there, but that he did work there.

Where's the issue?


The next has more to do with my interpretation of the events in Genesis and Enki and Ninmah. It's my belief that the Abzu was a stargate and that when we were kicked out of Eden, it was actually on another planet and our expulsion was more of a "we followed him threw the stargate under the pretense that he'd teach us to be like the "gods"...


Ahhhh. You have your paradigm set and THAT's your interest. At least you admit that it is in your interpretation.

I suggest that it may be that you are just like your average Joe out there that has the paradigm that we are so far alone in the Universe, that our solar system is pristine and untouched by intelligent hands (excluding any God they might believe in as creator of the Universe), and that UFO's are all natural phenomena that can be explained away if you look hard enough.

The Papers upset that paradigm, as much, it would seem, as they upset yours. Well, I will say you may have the correct paradigm, but I am not a believer. I believe the Terra Papers, because I believe this info was given by Bek'Ti to Robert Morning Sky's grandfather.

And given my acceptance of that, I must conclude the data are better than the texts which have translations that may or may not be correct, are incomplete, were written by people who clearly did not grasp the tech and ET origins, and might have tampering in content as well as interpretation.

I read it as it comes, through only two human minds and in its original language. It is not full of repetitions (suggesting a chant or song, perhaps) or emotional exclamations. It is straightforward and it culminates by being a logical explanation for what is around us.

But I will leave you to your paradigm. I haven't a need to convince anyone, but I surely hope many become convinced because we are set to be exterminated and we better do something about it soon or else.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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for the record, i'm not a dude.
just a housewife who has alot of time to study. (well, i went to college as well but that doesn't mean much these days).

next. what you see here, is a person who has went the extra mile to study every available piece of data on the subject, including the terra papers. i'm still working my way through them, there are points where it deviates so far from known history that i have to ask myself why it is so.

you're assuming that i don't believe in other lifeforms, elsewhere. this is not the case. i think there maybe an universal government, a sort of federation of planets. i think the topics on the subject, as related by the terra papers, may not be far off from truth as regards the topic of aliens and their governments.

however, i add another layer to it that the terra papers don't, and that is that i think the "Creator of the universe" is not just assigned to this dimension if you will and that the ones that are strictly stuck here, are fallen like we are, unable to travel interdimensionally without out of body experience. it's the fallen ones that use technology to mimic God. and it's pretty darn convincing from the sounds of it. I may be wrong, but I don't think so because here is another thing I've included in my research:

PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES. I refuse to call them delusional.

Next, let's consider the Epic of Gilgamesh. Alot of my discoveries as regards the ancient texts are not mainstream. In fact, hardly anyone has even come close to having the same position on the subject. Most bible scholars do not see the GATES OF EDEN as stargates. I do. No mainstreamers hold the same position I do because they think all of ancient history is a lie or a metaphor. I do not.

Anyway, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, it says he goes to the Gates of Paradise and finds it guarded by 2 beings that sorta resemble of the "seraphim" or cherubim that blocked the Gates of Eden, so that humans couldn't go back threw. They check him out and realize he's not human... he's a hybrid, 2/3rds "god" it says in the text. The two beings protecting it have eyes that can kill with a glance, like beams of energy come out of them. The whole area is covered in a dome of some kind, like a forcefield. Anyway, they let him pass and enter the gate. He travels through a dark tunnel to arrive in paradise, where the "trees" grow crystals instead of fruits. He's making this journey to talk to the nephilim king of sumer, who was saved from the flood by Enki.

Now mind you, Gilgamesh is a fan of Enki's. He is one of Enki's hybrids. Not his enemy. He goes to talk to the nephilim king to find out how to gain immortality because he knows the body he is in is going to die eventually. Have you read the story?

There are details in these texts that should NOT be swept under the rug simply because they were written down.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by undo
for the record, i'm not a dude.
just a housewife who has alot of time to study. (well, i went to college as well but that doesn't mean much these days).


Heh. Sorry. [grin] But I do tend to call most everybody "Dude," male of female.


next. what you see here, is a person who has went the extra mile to study every available piece of data on the subject, including the terra papers. i'm still working my way through them, there are points where it deviates so far from known history that i have to ask myself why it is so.


This has become clear, and I do not denigrate your efforts. In fact, I appreciate them for the opportunity to discourse and for the additional information I am receiving. I would love to hear where, specifically, things deviate, and the opportunity to read the texts illustrating that deviation.


you're assuming that i don't believe in other lifeforms, elsewhere. this is not the case. i think there maybe an universal government, a sort of federation of planets. i think the topics on the subject, as related by the terra papers, may not be far off from truth as regards the topic of aliens and their governments.


Actually, I presumed that you DID believe in ET's. I am only questioning the conclusions you have come to. I doubt a "universal government" per se, but the Sirius treaty, between the ASA-RRR and the SSS-T sounds rather like a federation of planets... So at least we are pretty much on the same page as far as that goes. [smile]


however, i add another layer to it that the terra papers don't, and that is that i think the "Creator of the universe" is not just assigned to this dimension if you will and that the ones that are strictly stuck here, are fallen like we are, unable to travel interdimensionally without out of body experience. it's the fallen ones that use technology to mimic God. and it's pretty darn convincing from the sounds of it.


Even as I read the Papers, I knew that it was just a scaffolding of the story - that what was given was enough to assist in breaking that "we are all alone and there are no aliens" paradigm. Yes, there is more, dealing with the spiritual, but, like levels in secret societies, the bulk of us need the basic info before we are ready to move to the teachings of the next level.

Unlike the secret societies, of course, is that anyone who will open their mind to the teachings is welcome. So again, our pages are very close, if not identical.


I may be wrong, but I don't think so because here is another thing I've included in my research:

PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES. I refuse to call them delusional.


Are we speaking of people today? Or people's accounts of their experiences in the past? If of those of today, what experiences are you referring to?


Next, let's consider the Epic of Gilgamesh. Alot of my discoveries as regards the ancient texts are not mainstream. In fact, hardly anyone has even come close to having the same position on the subject. Most bible scholars do not see the GATES OF EDEN as stargates. I do. No mainstreamers hold the same position I do because they think all of ancient history is a lie or a metaphor. I do not.


Fair enough. Neither do I. But without firsthand knowledge of the specifics, we can read into things something very different sometimes for lack of understanding of things like idiom.

An example I offer frequently is, let's say some long future race comes upon the Earth which (we will suppose) clearly underwent some catastrophic event that demolished most everything. Humans and all other intelligent life are gone. But they find enough English text to piece together a rough translation of the few books they manage to find.

In one book, it starts out with the line, "Sheila was blue that day." Reading this, they conclude that we humans had the power to change color, maybe like a chameleon, and Sheila, for whatever reason found herself or chose to be blue.

So... Of course, we know Sheila was sad, depressed, unhappy. But without the knowledge of the idiom, it tells a very different story.

I'm just sayin'

And we do not have any of the translational issues with the Papers.


Anyway, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, ...


I can understand from what you have given me of the story that clearly we were dealing with ET and tech as written by someone who did not grasp what they were. As to the specifics, I would not venture too many guesses (though the crystals are likely energy creation/manipulation items...computers, or piezoelectric generators, or something like that).


Have you read the story?


Only a few paragraphs here and there - and a decade or more ago. I'll have to read it, and if you have a favored link, I would love to have it.


There are details in these texts that should NOT be swept under the rug simply because they were written down.


Oh, absolutely. But often what we think the details are differs greatly from what they actually are. I know there have been cases where, for years it was assumed an ancient text was referring to one thing, and then some new piece puts things into a different light - a new "rosetta stone" or some such, and everyone says, Duh! Ok. THAT's what they're talking about!

Still, I appreciate your drive to understand. Just don't throw too much away because it doesn't fit perfectly with what you had pried from the texts as your interpretation.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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Well i think it was you who said the ancient texts were pretty much worthless. So I'm thinking you may have to take your own advice about not throwing away data. You admit you haven't read but a chapter or 2 of the Epic of Gilgamesh but were pretty sure I didn't know what I was talking about as far as EA is concerned and/or was basing it solely on christian texts. Nope. I studied everything i could get my hands on. Not just christian texts. I'd tell you if I thought they'd been tampered with but I don't see it. I also don't know why so many people are afraid of the biblical texts, often tossing out the history they contain without having actually read it and learned it for themselves.

For example, what lead me to study the ancient texts of sumer was an odd chapter in Revelation (the last book in the bible). In chapter 9 it describes what it calls the bottomless pit. It describes a star falling to earth with a key to the bottomless pit, which it then opens. a falling star in revelation is revealed in the same text to be interpreted as a fallen angel, not an actual star but a masculine entity who has a key that he's going to use to open the bottomless pit. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it was a literal event and that meant a literal location -- area of Euphrates on this planet (I think, unless it's a reference to the Euphrates of an offplanet Eden --wherever that is).

So off I went to the ancient texts of the area to see if I could find its equivalent and I think I did. It really looks as if the Abzu is the Bottomless Pit. The Nun. The Abyss. The Void. The 7 Birth Goddesses of Enki and Ninmah (one of which is Hathor and another which is Sekhmet)

If you read the Enki and Ninmah story at the link I provided you, it explains that Enki commands Ninmah to recite.. something about the way it is written makes me think Ninmah was the device that operated the gate system. In the story she is the midwife of the 7 Birth Goddesses but there's something odd about it that just ...i dunno how to put it, but it seems as if there's alot mroe going on than the translators knew what to do with. Like Enki pinching CLAY off the TOP of the Abzu (bringing humans here threw the gate), there's always that underlying interpretation. I could be wrong, but wow....This is just a tiny fraction of the data i found.

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posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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All of you who are interested in the Sumerian cuneiform texts may find Christian O'Brien and Barbara Joy O'Brien's translation work very edifying. The book "The Genius of the Few" by Christian O'Brien is an excellent place to start with a secular reconstruction of the clay tablet data.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 10:42 PM
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(addendum: john, the guy having the vision that is the content of the book of revelation, was in a prison on the isle of patmos when he had the vision, a prisoner of rome. he was a jew by birth but a christian at the time of the vision. i'm not sure if he ever saw the euphrates river in his lifetime... people didn't have mass transist ya know, so something must have told him that what he was looking at was the Euphrates. some time in the future, this "bottomless pit" which has a lock of some kind on it that requires a key, will be opened. first thing that comes to mind is a door with a lock. but what if it's a piece of technology,that has a locking system on it, that requires you know the code to open it? then when the thing is open, these horrific things come out that have one feature they share in common with the things guarding the gate in the Epic of gilgamesh... they both are described with some feature of a scorpion.

the folks that translate the ancient texts as nothing but metaphors for the stars, automatically say that's a reference to scorpio, but i think if that's true, it's alot more than just that. teeth like a lion (leo), hair like a woman (virgo), tail like a scorpion (scorpio), etc. what's it saying? these are stars that are opened with a key ? see the dilemma that's created? no logic, just throw stuff at a wall and see if it sticks.



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posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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First off, thank you very much, Kshaund, for taking the time to get that transcript posted. To everyone here that had the same "Ah ha!" response to the Terra Papers, and to the skeptics alike, I am glad I found this forum. I am impressed to no end with the efforts you all make here to stay open minded yet objective, with civility being paramount. I like to think that the subject matter here attracts a more thoughtful and kind (dare I say, meek) type of individual.
... a little bit of a "insiders" joke, but probably quite accurate. Meek has never meant weak though for some reason it has always been equated with it. It's a hell of a compliment actually. I digress. I do that. A lot. Sorry.
Just wanted to say hello and thanks to everyone posting here for all the research and interest. I find it all very inspiring.

- Adam



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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Hi Undo - I wish to 'suggest' there might be some alternatives here in interpretations... What is not in the Terra Papers but is in much more detail in his workshop, Robert Morning Sky explains that the lizards (Shet-I) are the ones in charge at this time after yet another historical coup, not Ea, not Ra, that they have usurped everything which is another confounding explanation for this entire global mess we're in. Ea's 'beasts' were not told by Ea to not do anything - they were 'taught' by Ea to become independent (not remain slaves) therefore Ea became the fallen one for going against a billions of years of order. It was Ea's beasts, once freed, who were left here to keep the records so it would make sense Ea was favored in the writings. Enlil was the Lord of Command, Lord of the Word, the administrator on Earth - Enki was the Lord of Creation, the genetic scientist. These two became one 'god' in the bible. That we (humans) have passion, sex for pleasure, spontaneity makes us 'not' good slaves - therefore.... here we are.... waiting for the return of the 'gods' to see what their judgment deems.


That's working from the premise that sex is bad because it's a free will decision, which is not true. The NT texts claim where the issue lies is the flesh reaction to anything. You're encouraged to rise above the demands of your flesh body, like the buddhists teach. You're encouraged to have control over your body and not the other way around. The things of the spirit are documented as faith, hope and love (not to be confused with sex). It's just really good advice for living comfortably and healthfully as possible in a community with others. But nowhere does it say you MUST do these things. It just shows that not following these things leads to discomfort, stress, sickness, etc.

Jehovah sounds like a real bad guy, but from my research it seems to indicate that he was concerned about the plight of the slaves, who apparently were the humans brought here from somewhere else. These would've been his people, thusly why the text calls them ENLIL'S BLACK HEADED PEOPLE. Now if someone could prove that ENLIL was not Jehovah, then we have something to discuss, but until that can be proven, I'm guessing this is more supported by the events on this planet than anything else I've encountered in my studies. In fact, this planet is riddled with similar examples of ENLIL'S BLACK HEADED PEOPLE being used as slaves and treated like crapola. Just look at Darwin and his associates, who thought black people were only 70% human, when in fact, they were the first humans on the planet..

My theory suggests that the Tower of Babel event, also known as the Namshub of Enki, was when the rest of the races currently on the planet, were brought here. Enki, while inhabiting the body of Nimrod/Narmer/Enmerkar/Asar (Osiris), reopened the Abzu gate and brought more races here, from elsewhere, causing the event to be called "the confusion of the tongues". This is also why the gate was closed by Enlil (Jehovah) and buried. It's also why the Divine Council was assigned to the new resulting nations, because the people were from all over the universe (or at least the solar system) and had their own "Watchers."

These things are not described in the texts in the detail necessary to find them without alot of research. So I don't believe it could be said they are lies...as the texts just don't give up this data easily. There's alot of connecting the dots involved, but at least we have a paper trail to work from.



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 09:47 AM
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Undo wrote:
Like Enki pinching CLAY off the TOP of the Abzu (bringing humans here threw the gate), there's always that underlying interpretation. I could be wrong, but wow....This is just a tiny fraction of the data i found.


I went to the link you provided ( Translated Sumerian Literature) and I read 5 or six of the texts. I don't see how you interpret this as bringing people through a stargate. When I read these two sentences, I see the words Bring into existance, and fashion. Can you please tell me how you interpret those sentences to mean bringing humans through a gate? Did I miss something or are you taking those two sentences to make your point of stargates?




Also, if you interpret the word abzu to mean stargate, please tell me how stargate fits into this. She went through the stargate to Eridug to get buttercake?

After Enki had spoken thus to him, Isimud the minister followed his master's instructions closely. He let the maiden into the abzu and Eridug. He let Inana into the abzu and Eridug. When the maiden had entered the abzu and Eridug, when Inana had entered the abzu and Eridug, she got butter cake to eat.

I also noticed that the word abzu is used in lowercase, and upper case. Different meanings?

I have a bad case of add, and I'm trying real hard to understand your theories along with the Terra papers. Trying not to let my add get in the way of my understanding.





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