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Originally posted by amitheone
Isaiah 44 - 6.....Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
1 Corinthians 10:4 - ....that rock was Christ.
Who is the Lord Almighty? Jesus. Who is the Rock? Jesus Christ. Who is the first and the last? Jesus.
Revelation 1- 17 ....."Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. ......I was dead, ......
..... Who is the First and the Last? Who is the Lord Almighty? What is His name?
John 17:11 - I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.
So, what is the name of God the Father? What is the name He gave His Son?
Who is praying here? What is HIS name according to this verse?
What is the name of God the Father?
It is non other than the name of “JESUS CHRIST” in which He gave to the Son. Surprised? Confused? Not sure? Read again.
”I and the Father are one. Apart from me there is no God. No, there is no other Rock. I know not one. I am the Lord Almighty. I am the First and the Last. I AM”
C) God the Father calls His Son “God”
Hebrews 1: 8 - .....
that arguement doesnt prove they are the same, after all if "God" is just a title (which it is) the scripture would not be in conflict
If this is so, then care to explain to me all of my previous explanation that the name Jesus is the Creator? The Everlasting Father? The Rock? The First and the Last? The Lord Almighty? The Savior? Apart from Him there is no God?
If you say this is only a mere title it becomes vague and you are not comprehending the scriptures well. You are confused between the word “title” and the very attributes and nature of God, who is – Almighty, Omnipotent, Eternal, Great, Savior, and Creator. These describe His very being and nature and not “title”. If this is just a mere title, then anyone can just attach “God” to his name without having any real powers at all.
Its like describing a sportsman – He is fast, strong, and agile. You don’t say fast is his title or strong is his title or agile is his title. This is not talking about titles but talks about his power and ability. If this is just a mere title, then anyone can have the title fast, strong, and agile, without even having these abilities.
If you say these are just mere titles then, it becomes vague and skewed because what you are attempting to do here is to claim “Jesus is *not* God” and when every time Jesus say, “I am God, the Lord Almighty, there is no other, there is no other Rock I know. I AM” in the scriptures, you are quick to say, “oh, its just a title that he claims, he is not god. He is just flesh. ho hum”.
Blatant ignorance of the scriptures and your whole theology crumbles. You are just trying to squeeze a camel in the eye of a needle.
You’ve got a serious problem there friend! I just have no idea what kind of Bible you are carrying or where you get sources from. Watchtower, perhaps by any chance?
Your answers are all so vague and without full context and understanding. It looks like John is the only verse that you are so much stressing and focusing on while clearly ignoring and neglecting the relevant and parallel verses of the OT and the NT *combined.* Let the scriptures test the scriptures. Let the scriptures interpret the scriptures by itself and not some group who interpret the scriptures according to what fits their own homemade theology. Might as well make your own Bible, just exactly like what the JW did, they made the NWT, the Bible which has the erroneous doctrine of “the word was a god”.
Are you really sure you are not Jehovah’s Witnesses? I swear this type of Bible understanding comes from JW. Its so typical – questioning the worship of Christ, the deity of Christ, etc. I can list all of them – 101 to be exact.
I once debated with JW members. I exposed everything about the institution. They were outright mad, but did not even say they were a member and yet defending the teachings of JW. Very contradictory.
What Jesus said was true then. Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit.
Originally posted by GJIML
reply to post by miriam0566
Well, u said that we should worship the father....."I and the Father are ONE, who has seen me has seen the Father ! ! ! !..... Jesus is the father's spirit..They're one ! !...
"Fear not those who kill you, and after can do no more; fear Him who after death is able to cast both body and soul into hell"
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
No it doesn't matter. All authority has been given to Christ. All of it. .....
Bible verses can have multiple meanings and if you limit yourself to only one meaning per verse - you take away from knowledge you are capable of receiving.
All that really matters is that Yeshua is "the one."
So wheather he is God incarnate or the Spirit of God only dwells in him is a mute point, this late in the game.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
Basic Bible doctrine isn't about nitpicking the words to death. Basic Bible doctrine is an understanding that this wonderful God Spirit is a real and tangible presense.
You dismiss writings from the 3rd & 4th century, as if they are all inspired by pagans, but how do you know for certain that some of them were not inspired, by the Holy Spirit?
Regarding how the Lord will return to the earth: Yes, only a handful of people witnessed him leaving but he's very clear on his manner of return. Just at the appearance, of the sign of his coming, he says all the inhabitants of the earth will mourn. It's not a small event - it will be huge.....
You said "what does it mean to be ready?"
You can ask ten people this question and you will get ten different answers, but in my opinion to start preparations, for being ready for the Lord in any way would be to repent & get baptized. And I'm talking water baptism. You wash the outside and he'll make the inside clean, keep his commands and that will take you down the narrow path.
Originally posted by GJIML
1st : Who died on that cross for u? (Jesus or God)
2nd: Who will judge u? (Jesus or God)
3rd: To whom will u Bow? (Jesus or God)
4th: Whose the bread of life ? (Jesus or God)
Do u realize the pattern here...If Jesus was not God....Than God is nthn !!!!
Now don't tell me that God, gave all of his powers to Jesus....If he did...Then he's pleased with that....But the same fact that Jesus is God states everything....
Ex: He's the one that will judge u, he's the alpha and the omega, he's the one that was is and will always be....He's everything....For an instance, if u're taking the bible word by word...Then let us see this statement..."Anyone who speaks a word against the Father will be forgiven, and anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.....mmmmmm..i guess that the holy spirit is much important than God...So, God=Father Son Holy spirit
He was known as the Father on the days of Moses and all the Aged-Prophets, and as the Son on the days of Jesus(himself), and as the Holy Spirit after Jesus died and then resurrected, so we are now living in the age of the holy spirit........ Is it too Hard to see the Obvious(truth)....
Originally posted by Zaimless
To me Miriam it seems simple, but it took awhile for me to figure out. Jesus taught God, not about himself. Jesus said, over and over, and over, that he is the son of God. In fact, there is 129 verses in the New Test. where Jesus refers to himself as the son of God. There are 8 verses in the New Test. that a reference is made to him possibly being God. Jesus never said in these word "I am God". So I would take Jesus for his word. Jesus is the son of God.
Then there is the weird thoughts, like, if Jesus was God and he could have stopped the crusifiction does that mean God was suicidal??
Somethings will never make sense.