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Is the USA the most EVIL nation on the planet

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posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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If your anti anything you would have to be anti-earth in general because there is good, bad, ugly and evil in every country, it's all around us.

You could never point a finger and blame the US alone or any other nation as being the cause of what is taking place on our planet.

Though I do agree that the powerhouse nations such as the US are being controlled in secrecy by elite groups and perhaps even ran by extraterrestrials at the very top. Nothing would surprise me at this point!

When people ever bring up the word extraterrestrial their minds are trained to think... "That's insane" "That's crazy" but they are here and have been here all along and have done a very well job in keeping it from the world!

Just my opinion on the subject.

Kindest Regards!



[edit on 24-6-2008 by ET_CONTACT]

[edit on 24-6-2008 by ET_CONTACT]




posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 04:48 AM
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Our corporations put out allot of things some people consider anti-cultural. Like McDonalds for instance...

But lol the truth is mostly we don't care for the stuff either, it comes in handy sometimes the format, drive through, fast as in fast - food and often you can fill up for very cheep... so that crud spreads by the nature of... when it is there people give in and buy it when they are in a rush.

But no one here thinks it defines our culture or food, I eat fantastic...

And Mc Donalds or Coca Cola basically sums up American Cultural export, we don't push our music or movies by force, people like allot of our stuff, as products go we make competitive products, some insdustries like cars slip to the Europeans and Asians on the higher end, but we have some good markets and...

No one has anything forced on them, I certainly don't hate China for the tons of crud and honestly cheeper inferior products walmart stocks, it's just business...

Saying Americans are pushing thier culture is like saying that Jews are pushing thier religion lol

Here's the Reality The only Culture forcing anyone is Islam, Convert or your an infidel, it's primitive thinking, it's barbaric and it's just plain wrong.

America has a government agenda of Democracy, but here is also hard cold truth, America has bent to Socialism... Somewhere over the Last 40 years, The Russians and Chinese have started to bend in terms of Capitalism, The rest of Europe and now America On Socialism...

What people call the NWO is the Leaders of the Modern world coming to terms with the start of a Universal system where we can trade and work and live in peace. That System is a mix of our debates this century, Limited Capitalist Economy, Socialist politics, Democratic voting process...

That's what is hated by these rouge states and hated about America, we have become the Military Arm of the entire Modern world, sure Russia takes Irans money to build a nuclear plant and China huffs at us and so does Europe, but really we are all cooperating fairly well at this time.

America is angering some by rushing things along here, but everyone knows the Alternate side, the opposition is Islam and frankly it's not even a choice for the rest of us, to follow religous lead in a modern world.

The Middle East stands in the way of progress for the whole world, maintains a vice grip on all our oil...which is running out anyway... The rest of us don't want to be Islamic. And frankly large numbers of middle easterners wish to be free of superstition and Theocratic rule... maybe Not by our hands... because they fear war, like any normal person would, are related to people who could die...

But the reality is the Middle East is way behind the rest of the world.

No one in the west has a problem with religious freedom, China and Russia are less tolerant than us, but mostly we all have learned that there are some things that are best left personal, to avoid strife.

Islam pushes it's culture, Islam will not accept other religions or beliefs, I have Islamic people in my neighborhood and they are free to live as they like. But in America we have Choice.

America isn't really pushing anything, us and the Europeans and Asians have all sort of come to terms, many people in all three arenas aren't fully happy, worry about conspiracies and the "Nwo" lol, but it's not a terrible thing...

The Middle East in essence is left out of everything, being left behind, and we just are the guys with the bombs, but really they are fighting the world...

Everybody screams Oil... Anti American sentiment says it's all about Oil. that is part of the truth, but again as oil reserves dry, America is destined via at the least Bio Diesel to assume the world oil throne (maybe by then we will have a superior alternative) but oil is needed for many things regardless and we supply the food, as oil tops 5.00 a gallon 5.50 a gallon, the US can grow oil and it's not that expensive to convert...

The Bigger Issue, the thing we get blamed for pushing stems from Socialism, Womens Rights, Sexuality, this is what has Islamic leaders terrified of our culture, America has allot of creative people, our music our movies are everywhere, the oil we sieze... that's for China and India. Mostly

But the "culture" is Percieved...I say again "Percieved" as American and often the fault of Jews who have made big business in Hollywood and it's BS... Europeans and Russians are far more sexually open minded than Americans they just don't float it out there as much, same goes for Japan and even in China the sexual revolution has begun and it's not a bad thing or anti G-d

What Islam hates about us, it's the sexy music, the modern clothing, the freedom of women.. this is the culture we "supposedly" push via the internet and via radio and tv.

But the reality is we really as a people have a very conservative heart land, just allot of entertainers and people all over the world buy it up and we get rich from it, but it's not some governemt agenda it's the freedom of sexuality and creative enjoyed across the entirety of the Northern Hemisphere, Most of South America, etc, etc I mean it's not US, Hindus? Tantra... it's Everyone But Islam...

So against all reality some Islamic leaders have decided out of fear of loosing control of thier daughters and wives to attempt a cultural fatwah, and in the end the whole world will repel it... Islam will not be accepted by China or Russia and despite Europeans and Americans opening the door, the anger will show if they try too hard to poush thier morales...

We all like the world better with women being free, we enjoy our sexuality and behind the entire islamic cultural perogative there is Fear and America with it's blatant descriptive ways embodies that Fear


And there is nothing wrong with, eating well, being a few lbs over, women being allowed to pleasure themselvs...this isn't 1340, it's no reason to hate us, it's the middle east refusing to adapt to the world... not anything being pushed on them. I see, entirely how it can be percieved that way, but the hatred of us leads to the way we are acting not vice versa...

We have a right to be free not under religous rule, to not live by a moral code that is restrictive, opressive and anti the rights of half the people on the planet, namely women...


[edit on 24-6-2008 by mopusvindictus]

[edit on 24-6-2008 by mopusvindictus]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 05:25 AM
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My end game response on the justification of this war and cultural conflict... lets just be honest in terms of what this is all really about okay.

When I was 17, I worked for a store in my nieghborhood and one of the cashiers was a beutiful girl from Turkey, she had to have been of course from a less then "fanatical" family because she didn't have to wear a viel and was allowed to work.

She loved me at first sight, she requested the manager hire me when she saw me, that's how I landed the job... we talked, we spent allot of time looking in each others eyes, I was fascinated by how beautiful she was... we were obviously in Love.

The day came when we were leaning to each other to kiss, we were centimeters from each other and then she pulled back, I said why, what's the matter... She said "my father and brothers would kill me" I suggested we run away soon and she replied "no you can't understand they would follow me where ever I go and find me they would kill me, they would kill you too"

With an apology she left and we never saw each other again...

I'm jewish and an American, I might have at worst gotten a lecture about the difficulties, but if I told my family I was in love, it wouldn't have mattered, the whole thing would have been approved...

These are the men of this culture, extremely fearful of thier women's freedom, this is why everything about our culture offends them.

frankly I want to live in the culture where I could have held that girl in my arms and shared our traditions and food... abnd love, not the one that demands i be something i'm not, not the culture that made that young woman say "no you can't understand they would follow me where ever I go and find me they would kill me, they would kill you too"

Some inncents have sadly died in this fight, many more shall live before all is said and done.

so before i'm accused of hate... or being some "evil" American anyone reading this should know this story... the Real of the culture clash not the oil and conspiracy bs... there might be some orthodox jewish families that behave the same way, they don't convert, they aren't expansionist and they don't go so far as to Kill thier daughters over love, they might disown them, other cultures could say the same... but they don't murder them or thier wives for falling in Love as religous law

I often think, how differnet my life could have been... but more often I think about her, I saw her once with the man she was being told to marry, older, hairy picked by her family... I think of her face when I saw her with him, the sadness... I think of her lying underneath him and I saw how he treated her and I know that she gets punished for misbehavior, I think of her face and I see her with her eyes closed waiting for it to be over... every single time. I know she was forced to hide her face when she married and that was probably a few months later when she turned 18 and I remember how she would enjoy me telling her my science fiction stories andall about history and how much she wanted knowledge and I know she never went to school...

I should have respect for this culture?



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:40 AM
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Yes you should, because your culture has done the same. You cannot destroy turkey to turn it into your own culture, look at what is happening in iraq and isreal. All you can do is coexist and let time take it's course. If there are enough good, democratic people their society will eventually open up.

While you have a subjective bad experience with the turkish culture, what about the other side of the coin, the countless bad experiences that they have had with ours? People are people and all cultures have their dark sides. What about the countless cases of wife battering in western cultures, what about the countless crimes of passion, what about the human traffic and the child abuse? We share our fair part of social failure.

Respect everyone.

PS: If you loved her that much and she you, why didn't you run away and face all odds? That's what love is, an absolute. I think what really hurts you in that story is not the turks, it's your own lack of courage to go after what you wanted, consequence be damned. Sorry if I ofend here, it's not my intention, just trying to give another perspective.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 07:05 AM
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There are none so blind as those that will not see!
America is cleaner simply because it exports its polluting industries to China along with jobs.
America did not sign the Kyoto Accord and is the biggest contributer to global warming with most of the worlds cars. Do not blame others for being polluters as an excuse to do the same, China's dirt is no excuse to do nothing in America. America consumes 80% of the worlds resources not China, America does not like competitors. History is written by the victor and nuclear bombs in Japan could have been dropped in isolated areas to make a point no need to crisp civilians, you now live humans. If we except that its ok to kill non combatants then we can expect it of our foes. Two wrongs do not make it right.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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mopusvindictus, that was one of the most honest and truthful responses I think I have read hear at ATS is a long time.It was very well composed and written.I applaud you for your astute post.I give you a big star for that post.I think everyone should read it as well.



[edit on 6/24/2008 by CaptGizmo]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 08:11 AM
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Sorry to come to late into his thread, but I have to post my view of the OP.

I do not consider the American nation evil, as us the regular American citizens are good hearted, giving and most of the time companioned people.

But the problem with the evilness in America resides with the corruption that has taken over our system of government.

Our own government is portraying America as an evil nation.

And that is my take of the issue.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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With a heavy heart, as I am currently traveling overseas, I have to admit that the image the organized crime outfit illegally in control of our nation has projected to the world is one of the evil empire reborn. While we do bare some collective responsibility for this - one has to question our national sanity for believing our government's lies about 9/11 - we are NOT Nazis and we WILL not go quietly into the dark of despotism.

Whatever we have done, while no excuse, we have done believing our government's lies that we were ridding the world of some evil. No American would fight a war for oil if clearly told that this was the real reason for sending in the Marines; this is exactly WHY our political leaders have become such experts at false-flag operations. The American people awake, and their collective wrath will save the Republic.

For your consideration:

The American Resistance Movement

The American Resistance Movement

The American Resistance Movement



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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The day came when we were leaning to each other to kiss, we were centimeters from each other and then she pulled back, I said why, what's the matter... She said "my father and brothers would kill me" I suggested we run away soon and she replied "no you can't understand they would follow me where ever I go and find me they would kill me, they would kill you too"


lol, sounds like a concocted story , and if this was true , it exposes the fact that you were a Coward.....

even my cousin(who was a non-muslim, like me whos a hindu ) whos married to a muslim girl from very orthodox muslim family , and to win her family's approval to marry her , he converted to Sunni Islam ,.....

he stood up for love , unlike you, who ran off or was just interested in sex with that girl , in fact he had been injured badly by her family members who were initially against him , but strived again and again and promised to convert to Islam for the sake of his beloved , some members of the family agreed and convinced the other members for the marriage after he converted to Islam... and today they are very happy couple ...
he was very brave , as he knew it could get him killed , but he stood for love , unlike you who fled like a coward, so i can't believe you EVEN WERE IN LOVE WITH HER , as because if it was true love ,you would have willing to stand up for her love and even get killed bec of it ....

even , the girl he loved was fearful of her uncles and cousin brothers , and so he went and stood up and went to her father and mother and told them that he loved her and was willing to convert to Islam for her ,he knew that it could get him killed , for such , BUT HE WAS BRAVE UNLIKE A COWARD LIKE YOU , WHO CANNOT STAND UP FOR LOVE ,




I should have respect for this culture?


LOL, why should i have respect for a coward like you ...




Here's the Reality The only Culture forcing anyone is Islam, Convert or your an infidel, it's primitive thinking, it's barbaric and it's just plain wrong.

sounds like spoon fed AMERICAN propaganda to me .... this type of Islam is Saudi Arabia , your ally , and not in India
yes muslims do not agree to marry their daughters to non-muslims , but if they(non-muslims) willing to convert to islam , then mostly the families agree ....

[edit on 24-6-2008 by manson_322]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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Manson you don't respond to any of the posts by other members after 9 pages and when you finally do,you give a lame ass response to another member by calling them a coward.LOL, I laugh at your lame response...which is just as lame as this thread you have started merely to inflame people...you are doing nothing but trolling.Everytime you seem to post anything it simply highlights what a pitiful excuse for a member you are.


[edit on 6/24/2008 by CaptGizmo]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Manson you don't respond to any of the posts by other members after 9 pages and when you finally do,you give a lame ass response to another member by calling them a coward.LOL, I laugh at your lame response...which is just as lame as this thread you have started merely to inflame people...you are doing nothing but trolling.Everytime you seem to post anything it simply highlights what a pitiful excuse for a member you are.


[edit on 6/24/2008 by CaptGizmo]


Well this is a flame to isent it? That means we are all just as weak as the others.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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Very well said. I dated a Turkish girl for a short while when I was younger. Her family looked at me like I was the antichrist. Wouldn't acknowledge my existance or ever speak to me, pretty funny how untolerant people can be.

Manson, you are an ass. Sure mopusvindictus could potentially have tried to run away with the girl, sounds great in Hollywood anyway. You call him a coward, it's more cowardly to renounce everything you believe in to be accepted by people you can't respect.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Being good or bad is a matter of interpretation it all depends on the person who is defining the object/person or in this case a country. So really all nations can be good and bad, it’s all a matter of personal opinion. Personally, I don’t believe any nation can be “evil” or “good” this isn’t Star Trek were you can simply point the finger and say “The borg…their flippin evil.” There’s a reason behind it, past history and what not, but what can we say about America or Mexico or any other country. It all falls back to personal opinion. I for one think is the government and media that can portray a country to be GENERALLY “EVIL” or “GOOD.” The United States is simply going through a phase of “stupidity” at the moment lol….



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 02:30 PM
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Oh good, Manson is back! Just in time for me to tell him that I'm about to go down to McDonald's and support their pocketbooks by buying a good five or six dollars worth of food. Hopefully that money can be put to good use helping to erect a McDonald's near his house, so that our evil American filth can pollute his neighborhood with trans fat and culturally destructive architecture and marketing schemes!

Yumm yummm.

Is America evil? Heck no. At times, we're sarcastic, facetious, aggressive, stubborn, and arrogant, and boy do we bite when we're mad, but evil? Not any more so than anyone else would be if they had the greatest culture on earth and were willing to do anything to keep it alive!



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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And you claim this cultural superiority on the basis of McDonalds? We could debate your post but chances are you'll have a coronary before we come to any conclusion.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Indeed, that's what I've been saying this whole thread. America is awesome because we have McDonald's. Clearly, that's my entire point, and clearly, this forum is overrun with people who can't read, think, or speak with any degree of intelligence, insight, or comprehensive skill.

Edit: What I mean by that last statement is that I'm constantly having to respond to posts like Zepherian's. Such posts always seem to display an astounding ability to miss the point entirely, and respond to some other point altogether. It gets old, fast. I wasn't calling everyone here stupid or anything, and I wanted to clarify this.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by mattifikation]



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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I never did hear what country the OP is from? I'd like to hear how great that country is. How's the free speech there? He likes to stir the pot with posts like this but bring nothing to the table.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Why America is the best Nation on Earth.
(Albeit, the current Regime since 911-2001, is the most Criminal In Our Nations History that I'm aware of (bite my tongue). Its a Death Cult of some kind).

However, that being said. America is the best Nation on Earth. Even without counting the last 10 or so years. America has always strived to be the leader, on both Honesty and Integrity. Yet, unbenouced to the Citizens of the USA there has always been this Jewish Mafia running the the Show through the banking system ever since its founding, Rothschild and later the Rockefeller's control our Banks that control our country. like a mathematical formula. So with the right to print Money came Corruption and that started in 1775 or so... Basically it was a Govt - Corporation merger to take care of the People, and expand westward, We had Indian Problems the further west we went, by absence of Law, The Gun became the Law, No other place on earth experienced a land without Law. And Weapons were used and a man with a weapon is one that might come home that night. was the mentality. The new settlers would learn to live by the Gun since Law and Order were up to each citizen. and thus in 1775 that was a guarantee we the people had to exercise any time we felt our Constitution was in jeopardy from a Government Not by the People. This independent ownership was something new and we Americans Loved our Liberty and demanded and would accept nothing less than to be free of Government for as much as possible. Our Founders loved Freedom and Liberty in America too, and did not want to see oppressed like it was in Europe. Let it be known, ever since the mapping of America - those thoughts have died and have been resurrected numerous times throughout our history. Once we were very Independent, and would fight or kill with little regard to ones being injured - you could say they were fearless. or the books would lead you to feel people like Daniel Boone seems almost invincible, So the average American became this as well. Dont get me wrong - there have always been more workers than jobs, and this dream and high standard of living are not justly ours. because we are no longer hard Americans but we all fear our government and the courts - Why>?
are the scales really equal..? I have observed this thing called court and fair has a price tag - so therefore, they are not equal. therefore, they are not just.
Once in a while they the bankers would put a president in to office to appease the people and bring the country back together for a common cause like 1812 - 1861 - 1914 - 1940 ... etc

Since the local areas were basically policing themselves for the most part of the early years. came government - that had all of these different places laws, so they formed counties to mix and spread the law, the counties formed the State Senate and so on. and that was before 1770. So in a since we were all peoples of the earths Law, when America was discovered - everyone and I mean everyone came here any which way they could. Many Perished many did not. So America is basically all
types of the Worlds Govt's all wrapped into one we call a Democratic Republic, were Rule of Law applies equally to all citizens without regard to Class or Position. THIS HAS BEEN CORRUPTED. and it appears this corruption has been with us since the beginning. and this is why America is the Best Nation on Earth... I'm Sovereign unto myself - I'm a Free Man .. I do not owe the BANK ... if you do - well then your a slave.. tough cow patties ...



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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I missed the point because you didn't make it, the sarcasm wasn't apparent enough in the way you worded the post and it was easy to assume you were being serious. I don't follow your posting, I have no idea where you're coming from.

So, if you're constantly responding to posts like mine, perhaps you should reconsider your posting style and throw up the hypothesis that the problem might be on your side



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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I agree with most of your post, but one thing I would add is that it's a mystake to categorize the people at the top of the conspiracies as zionists, or christians or whatever, as those labels tend to polarize whole populations against each other, when the reality is at the top we have elites on both sides and both of them are basically loyal only to themselves, as far as I can see, not judaism, christianism, or any other ism. It's about them, selfishness and greed and probably bloodlines.



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