Is the USA the most EVIL nation on the planet, page 3
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reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 12:24 AM by skyshow
reply to post by JesterMan





YOU SIR SOUND LIKE A THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY!


Assuming you weren't being facetious...come on, how in the world are we to understand other view points if we simply shut off the things we don't like to hear? National Security issue? Give me a break. While, I don't completely agree with the O.P. (I feel he was a bit overboard with the over generalizations and instigatorial language), he did however make his points.

Having read all the posts in this thread, I agree with ALL of you. This means however some give and take. More credit is needed for the good that the US does, but Americans need to also open the eyes to the bad done as well, and support positive change in direction that might lead to policy changes in the future that will address some of the grievances and ill will that some have towards the US. (I find it completely obsurd that formal talks with some of the nations are not going on...this is crazy, why the hell aren't people talking? Also find it odd that Congress is not in session at a time such as now with crisis in the mid east, falling dollar, floods in the mid west, and energy crisis, to name a few serious issues that need to be adressed now)

One of the major fundamental building blocks that this country (USA) has been founded on is on free speech. This man (I'm assuming it's a "he" based on avatar and the head dress suggests Eastern regions as well, but for all we know it is a woman blogging in Grand Cayman!) is simply stating his view point, and as Americans, we aught to trumpet that, rather than have the knee jerk reaction that he needs to be shut down.

I believe we all would have a much better understanding of things if we actually talked to people more who are from the middle east and from differing cultures. We need to understand that the population in terms of numbers, completely trumps ours here in the west, and that the culture is very vast, spread out and diverse. Yes there is the fundamentalists there as well pushing a radical agenda that is counterproductive in terms of liberty and freedoms, but that is not the whole mid east. From what I understand it's only a small percentage of it. There are vast areas, for example Du Bai UAE, where markets are thriving and many places are actually quite developed and modern. Many people are a bit surprised to learn how modern and sofisticated Iran is for example. I think we often dismiss the entire region as a bunch of nomads riding camels on sand...not only that but Persia is the cradle of civilization, and many folks don't think of these areas as being modern civilized societies but indeed they are.

Anyway, my point is, try and listen to people from other places and different cultures. Yes, they may express frustration and sometimes use the wrong words (and often there is a language barrier to deal with as well so be lenient and patient...really try to understand the person) but often there is some real legitimacy to what many have to say, and if we don't listen to them, how are we going to know how they actually feel? I mean we see the polls and know how unpopularthe US is (due mostly to policy no doubt), but how many of us actually understand why? Also, when we don't listen, we come off as arrogant and I hate to say it, but "stupid" for being such. I know there are some real cultural barriers there, but you can't let yourself get ticked off to the point you refuse to listen and try to understand them from their vantage point.

I think if we really do recognise these things and communicate with oneanother more maybe people can learn more peaceful ways to coexist.

Bravo on exercising free speach. The security problem, if any, is an attempt to impede free speach (infringment on Consititutional rights, and the spirit of it all), in my opinion, and we don't have to agree with everything someone says, but we should at least listen and try to understand.


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reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 01:18 AM by dogsofpeace
reply to post by LateApexer313



Can someone out there give me a reasonably accurate total of how many millions of Men Women and children that America has killed post WW2? Then could you tell me how many Jews the Germans killed.I guess America can at least say they are not racist as they will just about blow up and kill anyone in the world!!


reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 01:21 AM by mattifikation
The U.S. Government is made up of a bunch of crooked, treasonous criminals who should be in jail. It's chosen for us by the most wicked, wealth hording, power hungry scum bags on earth - and those people should be executed. Odds are though, those same scum bags probably hand picked *your* government also. That's hardly our fault. Maybe you should have gotten off your camel and done something for yourself, before hopping on ATS and acting like we're the only complacent ones.

But, to answer your question "Is the USA the most EVIL nation on the planet?"

If what the people of the USA believe in is evil...
If our lifestyle is evil, if our prosperity is evil, if our comfort is evil, if our freedom is evil...

Then may that "evil" be graciously spread to every corner of the globe, benefiting all mankind and withstanding all the tests of time from now until life has evolved beyond the human race.

BUT...

May that "evil" pass over those who reject it. May it skip those who denounce freedom, success, and happiness. I'm not saying this out of spite, either. I'm saying this because we Americans, unlike you, believe that every person has the right to chose!

Clearly, you have made a preemptive choice to demonize our way of life. So, while your Sharia rulers squirm in their last few strongholds of power and while the communist dictators close their fists tighter and tighter on water, may the "evil" people you hate ignore your plight at your request and save only those who welcome freedom and democracy into their lives.

That way, you brainwashed suicide bombers can continue to have your hands cut off for stealing food for your family when the government refuses to share its billions of dollars in oil profit with the people. You can continue working to destroy womens' rights, even if it means threatening them with execution just for being seen. You can continue to watch your leaders build elaborate, record breaking cities while the people who live in them suffer under an iron fist. You can continue being told who to hate and why to hate them so that you don't have to figure it out for yourself. Because all that beats being "evil" like the United States, right?


reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 01:38 AM by skyshow
reply to post by space cadet



Nice post cadet. Most Americans fit in this category I think. I would venture to guess that most people around the world fit as well and would do anything they could to help another fellow human being out in distress.

I think most people who dislike some of the policy around the world coming from the west, don't find much fault with the American people. It's the military industrial complex, the international bankers, and basically the NWO corporate fascists that appear to be where the bone of contention is at. I also suspect that there is some backlash towards the marketing culture a bit as well. I've heard it said more than once that Americans have a reputation for being arrogant and very Amero-centric, in that they feel they are superior in all things, and that really isn't the case. For example, if you look at studies of freedom of the press, for example (and I don't have the reference) we find we are not at the top of the list, or even near it. Another area is in health care...we spend more than most, and get less out of it. Take the work week...Americans work a lot more hours and have less holiday time than many countries...so we are not necessarily better than everyone else, and I suspect that because many Americans think that they are, it annoys people from other areas and it seems to stand to reason why they might roll their eyes and think or say "dumb Americans". I mean many understand our system and know that we have this unbelievable ability to vote and change things within our own system and relatively peacefully, but then only about half or so of the population actually participates, and probably half or so of that actually truley understands what they are doing because they have consumed so much freakin' propaganda from various interests...but then so many continue to support the crookedness that we see, and I can understand the sentament. Here we have this freedom, and pretty much let it slip through our fingers...I hope people in the USA are finally getting it and will vote these ones out because we need a return to universal human values and dignity again. We can raise those poll numbers!

As another side thought, and perhaps these are "dangerous" ideas for some, but can you imagine a world free from political, religious and social divisions? Imagine a world where all the money that is spent on war materials would otherwise go towards helping people grow food, clean up the planet, modernize where needed, and help folks have more leisure time to spend however they want it such as traveling and getting to know one another and appreciating different styles of music, or foods. Imagine a world where religion was no longer needed because humans are at peace with themselves and nature and there was no need for controlling the masses. And the beautiful country side here in North America is of course very picturesque, as it is in parts of Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, South America, Antarctica etc...

I bet ya' we (peoples from all over the world) are not all that different when it comes right down to it. Everyone, well most people anyway, want peace and to enjoy their lives and families, and to take in the beauty of the earth...people want health, to not be hungry, to have shelter, and basically Maslow's hierarchy of needs...I think it's really a few control freaks and really greedy people who are messing it all up for 95% of the world's population and causing so much grief. Do you think this will ever change? I try and be optimistic, but until people stop trying to manipulate and control for personal gain at the expense of others, I don't see it anytime soon...


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reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 02:03 AM by UnitedSatesofFreemasons
First off, ATS where are you?!?! This thread is simply to invite bashing on a country, there no knowledge being gained here, there will only be argueing about who hates america, who loves america, and the tweeners'.
Contradiction much?

And you put this on the front page as a good topic... come on guys, ATS isn't about bashing anyone or anything, its about getting the truth from everything. Opinions are like ass-holes, every one has one.

Like Kat williams said, there will always be haters, let them hate.

But really a whole thread on the horriable USA is something im not proud to see 3 pages worth of usless bantering. you sound like 55 year old retired vets from all over the world, shut your old and grumpy lips.


And mason, please stop starting these stupid threads that gain nothing, and only get flagged and messages out of Fustration of your ill advised knowledge of a country you no nothing more about then Wiki or History Channel provided you with.

America has done wonderful things, things that if it wasn't for america, your ability to speak out right would of never happened, we are the first to be free. Dispite all of our recent regulations on many diffrent things, were still free as whole. You can dress how you want, speak how you like, eat what you want, and persue what you want. no king and queens.

I'm not going to post the lengthy and CLEAR reasons why america is still a wonderful place. Maybe Change your thread to "Is the USA's Government the most EVIL government on the planet.

When a school is doing bad do you say the Student suck or the teachers??


I mean seriously, this is Embarresing, if you want to vent, go some where else, but im here for knowledge.



reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 02:18 AM by dismanrc
Originally posted by dogsofpeace
reply to
post by LateApexer313



Can someone out there give me a reasonably accurate total of how many millions of Men Women and children that America has killed post WW2? Then could you tell me how many Jews the Germans killed.I guess America can at least say they are not racist as they will just about blow up and kill anyone in the world!!


Can someone out there give me a reasonably accurate total of how many Trillions of dollars the US has sent to others in need? Or how many times we go to other countries to help after a flood or other problem?


Sometime I do wish that we would just stop all aid and help to others for just one year. Stop all aid, all food shipments, all money shipments. Pull back all of our people, military and otherwise, and let the world try to handle it's problems on it's own.


reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 02:49 AM by space cadet
reply to post by skyshow



Thanks Sky.

I would like to point out that with the exception of a couple of people on this thread, the majority of those who wish to claim the US is evil are cowards who will not allow their own country to be known for fear of being recognized as a true evil government, of course, in the opinion of others. I say if you are speaking from a country which is free of the evil, or any evil for that matter, that you are claiming on the US, at least have the kahuna's to say what country YOU come from.
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