Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Nope i sighed heavily because you missed what i was saying, creation does not have any evidence to support itself. All of the evidence is debunked by
scientists and when all these flaws are pointed out the creationists just say "Well it's true because god exists".
Oh sure it does IR, and THAT is why evolutionists don't want the competition but more than that, ATHEISTS don't want anyone else believing in God,
They hate it they call it child abuse they blame every ill that has ever occurred in history on something they themselves say has no power because it
doesn't exist. Well then what is it the are afraid of? If God doesn't really exist, then Christians are no different then Atheists because whether
we think God exists or not doesn't matter the fact would be that God is only as powerful as he is REAL and if he is NOT then we really have no deity
do we? So then maybe it is religion they hate?
Well if it is religion, what religion is creationism? The Bible talks a pretty good game about this and contrary to what Atheists say, that book
gets more impressive as time goes. We read it BECAUSE of its ancient texts not in spite of them. They happen to be correct about so many things
Science is just now starting to admit. If you have a problem with things that happened a long time ago then why do you not have a problem with the
subjective opinions of conjecture by Scientists who are also men writing books? Not only that but books about things they can ONLY SPECULATE that
happened not thousands of years ago but MILLIONS of years ago by having no eye witnesses, no corroborating texts that were predicting same events to
happen with the corroborating texts written hundreds of years later to prove they happened down to the last detail.
Because i say it, no. Because in schools facts are supposed to be taught, theories based on facts, not a very old book, written by men, without
any evidentiary support.
Yet that is exactly what you are getting with Darwinian Atheism, a religion wrapped in the guise of a Science the same way creationism used to be
taught. You wouldn't have a problem with Religions wanting evolution out of schools if they knew Atheism was not behind it, but they do know it and
Atheism IS behind it and have admitted they are using evolution to advance Atheism. Christians see this for what it is and the threat of a two or
three godless generations changing the moral fabric of America is happening before our eyes everyday.
The point of this thread was to say it's unfair teaching creationism when it's not based on any firm evidence. Even if god existed then god
seems to have setup evolution. So even if we accept god as a fact right this second, then we'd still have to teach evolution rather than creation.
No, you are wrong and insisting that evolution is the way God did it is no consolation to creationists because evolution isn't the way it was done
and the fossil record proves it. We don't show signs of a common ancestor we show signs of a common designer and that is OBVIOUS but it isn't to
them. So you see how evidence works or is in the eye of the beholder.
If god exists then god set up evolution, it's the best way for it to be done, makes perfect sense god wouldn't want to be hanging around
making everything all day. Like when humans set up virtual environments, we tend to make them so that they can regulate themselves without
Exactly what God has done guy, he doesn't interfere, even if you want to test him he doesn't show up to you just because you tell him to or you
won't believe in it. He laughs at that and calls those people fools.
What would you expect if you were God? You'd say "Hey I don't need you pal, YOU need me and if you want proof of my existence then you do what I
say to get it, I sent my only begotten son to die for you to stay connected so I think I have that much coming to me." I imagine you'd say
something like that. For a person who doesn't want God in Science, you sure seem to have an intimate knowledge for what you think he would do. How
the hell do YOU know he would use evolution when what we DO know is just what the Bible taught and can be tested and is observable in every hospital
with a pediatric Physician. As long as humans have been on this planet from the time they were created we have been giving birth of our own kind
just like Genesis says and we always will. If evolution wants to trace back ancestors then they better do it all the way back to how LIFE just
started from nothing but they won't go there because they don't have an answer and won't accept God did it as an answer but WHAT IF HE DID!
Wouldn't Science want to know how he did it? Just because we think he did doesn't mean we are stupid because we can't explain the same thing they
It only means we have a direction to go not a method to falsify and until we have the technology to test such a hypothesis we are at least honest in
saying we can't PROVE it but we have as much faith in it as Science MUST require to believe what they do and they have no IDEA about that.
Ironically, one of the reasons the anti Christ gets by fooling man in the end times is because he has the perfect excuse to reject the Scientists of
the day from being put to their scrutiny by saying hey you didn't want me in your class rooms and now you want a VIP pass to test and examine me like
a lab rat? They get rebuffed with the worlds approval who are taken in by miracles he performs that Science can't explain because Science didn't
want to have anything to do with such a thing, so they won't have access. When the REAL lord comes it will be too late for them and everyone else
that has taken the mark but their will be no doubt on that one.
He says every knee will bend every head will bow.
No sorry, whilst you should have the right to teach your children whatever you decide to, why do you need to drag it into schools? Schools
should be places where facts are learnt, not places to indoctrinate youngsters into religion. I don't see why you have such a big issue with keeping
it out of school and teaching your children on your own time.
would want religion forced on youngsters in schools where they should be learning things we can verify. No one forces evolution on children, they are
sat in a class, presented facts which can be backed up by evidence and then they choose to accept the facts or ignore them.
No you just don't want a science that has religious implications because your agnosticism isn't agnostic at all it is Atheist. At least to Religion
it is and to Atheists it is cowardice keeping one foot in each so to speak as if this keeps your options open. If you want to keep an open mind about
the possibility there is a God than why be so against the scientific avenues that may substantiate the fact and then you won't be agnostic
Creationists have no facts that are true, they have things they claim are true but unravel under scrutiny. Like saying that the eye is proof of
creation because it's so complex, well i'm sorry but that isn't proof, that's just an opinion. However they present that as a fact and that is why
creationism is unfair to teach to children, presenting them with lies isn't right.
saying it wasn't is an opinion. I guess we can remove some of the complexity of the eye and use it as a paper weight so that it will support
evolution huh? Everything we do that to becomes a perfect paper weight so that means nothing was made to do just what it happens to do by accident.
Tell that to any designer who uses their intellect to invent such items as say the airplane stolen intellectual property from the Bird but does God
get any credit? NOPE the Bird can fly because it just was lucky!
We make computers that we marvel at the genius behind the inventor but they can not compare to the human brain where the ideas for all invention take
place but does God get the credit? NOPE the Brain is is just an accident and but the creations it comes up with are not.
seems pretty academic if you ask me.
Ahh the classic creation arguement, it cannot be proven, yo ucannot prove god exists and so it should not be taught as a science.
How do you know? I mean something has to be behind all this. Don't you think science has an obligation to investigate such a thing or does
everything having to do with God a religion? I don't think God is a respecter of Religion but that's just me. God is NOT religion but Religion
makes many claims about God. Well Science makes claims about a God they say doesn't exist and any evidence supporting God is discarded as "Bad
evidence" because Science says "we can not allow a divine foot in the door"
Creationism is hollow, lots of fancy words, false arguments and once you wade through it, it comes down to belief in a god. Therefore it's not
a science and should not be taught in science classes.
See what I mean. You know NOTHING about it because but why would you when yu have a Bias so thick you can cut it with a chain saw.
to teach to children, presenting them with lies isn't right.
Yet 99% of the evolution they taught just ten years ago is all baloney now, all bunk,. like the lies they are teaching about it now will be. So who is
lieing. You don't see creationists getting caught manufacturing evidence like piltdown an or have Scientists like haekel fabricating phony embryos
to help Darwin's theory fro being falsified as they have done so many times again and again to protect it.
I am quick to throw out anything that doesn't have evidence to support it. You are quick to believe a book which was written and edited by
men. Nice to know the religious leaders were able to edit the word of god huh
Again,, aren't all books written that way? Why is it Science is allowed to change its theory continuously saying Science is self correcting LOL then
coming out with another model to explain away the lack of proof in the fossil record they invent some crap called punctuated equilibrium. C'mon guy
the whole idea is baseless and all speculation with Scientists of Evolution calling it a fact when facts used to have a truthful definition as being
that which needs no further explanation. Trouble is their so called facts are all the kind that wouldn't qualify as facts in a court of law.
I am not asking for evolution to be forced on children, i am asking that because evolution is fact based, that it be taught in schools. I am
asking that creation isn't taught until they can provide proof of their claims. If all it takes is something that cannot be disproven, then i want it
taught in schools about my hypothesis that theres a planet made of candyfloss. You cannot prove me wrong so i want it taught! How dare you force the
ignorant idea on children that my candfloss world doesn't exist!
yet that is exactly the way Darwinian Atheism is taught in Schools with just as much faith in there Dogmatic theology known as Darwin's Theory of
evolution and you are proving that point because you can't show me an IOTA of proof species evolve to new species.
350 million year old Bat looks like what today?
55 million year old cock roach fossil looks exactly the same as what today?
60 million year old hammerhead shark looks like what today?
You guessed it, hammerhead shark.
250 million year old alligator fossil looks just like what today
Horseshoe crab fossil 125 million years ago looked like what?
Bipedal man looks like what
Ya know what Bipedal man will look like 200 million years from now without blowing ourselves to kingdom come?
China the best place to get any fossilized transitional dinosaurs to birds forms. Trouble is they got busted numerous times having sold them to
Scientists who could not or did not make the distinction they were false.
25 years of e-coli experiments where they were starved with nothing but citrate , something they did not eat. One colony developed a taste for
citrate and the genes of that acquired taste went on to their offspring and they make a big deal out of it but ya know what,,,
it is still e-coli and the guy conducting the experiment quit there knowing he couldn't get a true macro evolutionary new species out of it and
settled for this surviving mutation celebrated as proof of evolution.
Java man a HOAX
Piltdown man a HOAX
Lucy a HOAX
the haekel embryos a HOAX
Darwin's finches, turned out to be nothing but micro evolution like getting a tan when laying in the sun.
Peppered Moths a HOAX
Colorado man a HOAX
Darwin's Theory of evolution a HOAX
and is still being taught as Science to this day and if anything is a tragedy in our public schools it is that people allow these crooks to get away
with this garbage this long and either they get rid of it or we want our own in there and THAT,,
is the crux of the matter.
[edit on 29-6-2008 by Conspiriology]