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Can the government track me through ATS?

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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
The problem is for them of course, is that quite literally, some ATS'ers, don't give a hairy rat's behind, one way or another.


Count me among those...Well, I do avoid certain phrases & whatnot, but I still get my point across without regard to what the PTB think.


Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
They watch every keyword, sort for threat levels, cross-reference it with other data and intelligence, and file it away somewhere.

One of the bigger agencies that are most likely to "flag" you first is the National Security Agency (NSA)...They monitor stuff like newspapers, TV broadcasts, a whole bunch of different kinds of sources. They've had their ears into everything possible for quite a few years already. Of course, a lot of other agencies rely on the NSA for certain types of information, but certain other agencies wouldn't like to even let the NSA know that they've got their own ears in a lot of places either...




posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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Here in Australia, police monitor, and set up dummy sites to pusue
Pedophiles.

I have no problem with that, and lately they have nabbed more than 1500 of these deviates.

Good luck to them.

So therefore... yes
They are watching if they choose to.


Posting here is not criminal unless you make it so.


Mods will see to it that you dont make it so.

Cheers

Mungo



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Of course the United States Government can track you through ATS.

The problem is for them of course, is that quite literally, some ATS'ers, don't give a hairy rat's behind, one way or another.



I like the attitude. But let's be careful about phrasing... I guess what you're saying is more like: "Of course the United States Government can track you through your use of ATS."

Wouldn't want to accidentally slander the site owners; they've made fairly clear their statements in this regard.

Also, why would that be "a problem" for the government? Imagine if everyone just toed the line and never voiced an opinion! That would be against every expectation of human nature, and would really drive em crazy, wondering what they were missing!

Of course, they probably are anyway.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Quick Agent J,
get the neuraliser.

These ATSers are getting out of hand.





posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by schrodingers dog
 


Sometimes they don't just track IP's either. They also track Mac Addresses and Computer Names...


How are they tracking a MAC at some router on a different network than yours out on the internet?



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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MAC to IP resolution is done using the ARP protocol.

ARP is non-routable, any machines separated by a router will not see each other.

To track someone on the internet via their MAC address would therefore require some external mechanism ie software rn directly, as a worm, etc to feedback the IP address/MAC address relationship back to a central location. This approach would also need to ensure the information from devices that were behind firewalls or devices that were NATed could be captured as well.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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I think that yes, if they really wanted to they could easily track your IP through your ISP and even link you to specific posts. Tor and Privoxy make it more difficult but not impossible.
I also think you would have to be a major threat for them to do so.

How do you think they catch pedophiles?



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Yes, to the special case. I wanted people to be sure that under normal circumstances that it cannot be tracked.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Agreed, this is particularly worrisome in my case since they don't really have to drive that far.


I do have to wonder what you are saying in posts that has you so worried... Anyone here that knows me knows the stuff I talk about and actively dig into at .gov and .mil sites and while its true that I have had a 'visitor' directly through my work here at ATS... there are no black vans parked on my street...

I assume I am on many lists by now and I suppose if the USA ever becomes a total dictatorship they 'might' pull up those lists...

but I really do wonder what it is you think THEY would be interested in YOU for



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Considering you only revealed the name "schrodingers dog" and (hopefully) a web based email address, there is nothing that's worth anything they can get about you here.

Even with a court order the only thing they can get is your IP address and if you are using a proxy that's not worth much either. There's a reason we don't ask for any personal information, we can not divulge what we don't know.

All that being said, IF the "boys" want to talk to you, they'll find you and there are DOZENS of easier ways to find you than non existent info on ATS, like someone else mentioned, your ISP is where they would likely start.

The reality is what could you possibly post that they would remotely care about? Seriously, your theories, postulations or even accusations are not going to get you in trouble on the internet, the government fellows have much more important fish to fry than us.


Springer...

[edit on 6-23-2008 by Springer]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Yes of course, you would have to be really wanted for that to happen. But, for the regular Joe, no I would agree it can't happen.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Agreed, this is particularly worrisome in my case since they don't really have to drive that far.


I do have to wonder what you are saying in posts that has you so worried... Anyone here that knows me knows the stuff I talk about and actively dig into at .gov and .mil sites and while its true that I have had a 'visitor' directly through my work here at ATS... there are no black vans parked on my street...


but I really do wonder what it is you think THEY would be interested in YOU for


I don't know you and haven't really followed your threads but your statement seems arrogant and smacks of disinfo.

It's almost as though you are provoking the member to post more incriminating info.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:45 AM
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My .02c

I am 99.9999% sure "they" can figure out who you are in real life, IF they really want to.

Most members who just passively discuss stuff have nothing to worry about. But I think there IS a risk for those who are more activistic......



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Springer
All that being said, IF the "boys" want to talk to you, they'll find you and there are DOZENS of easier ways to find you than non existent info on ATS, like someone else mentioned, your ISP is where they would likely start.

The reality is what could you possibly post that they would remotely care about? Seriously, your theories, postulations or even accusations are not going to get you in trouble on the internet, the government fellows have much more important fish to fry than us.


Springer...


Ummm..... having a giant pile of potentially incriminating documents sitting in a vault might be cause for concern for "them"....

The ATS community figuring out how real Contact with benevolent ETs works, on a large scale, that might worry them too



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Sure... there are threads/posts on ATS which actually garner response(s) from .gov, etc. IP's but those are truly in the minority given the grand scheme/scale of things.


Really? I have heard more than once here on ATS Springer commenting about the sudden surge of IP hits from .gov and .mil sites generating peaks when certain topics or threads are created...

I personally would love to see the stats on that (for obvious reasons)... though I know its confidential... maybe there is a way just to do it by numbers like Thread 'X' had 2034 'official' hits this weekend


What I don't understand is why we are 'teased' with comments like that, yet cannot get any real data... all the while these threads about ATS being 'monitored' keep cropping up because it IS a concern of those that do not understand how easy it is for them to track you... IF they want to...

I KNOW there are NASA people watching threads... and I don't mean just the average Joe... because I have had emails directly related to issues... like the time when the directory of tiff files I found was removed while we were discussing them

I KNOW there are DoD people here that have an interest in what is being said because one of them came to visit several of the Pegasus team...

Are they involved with ATS? NO absolutely not... but they ARE here


And on the other side of the coin... I get some of my best leads because of this 'presence'






Me? I'd be Moar concerned with the last minute and sudden tag-along inclusion of this in the most Sure to pass Housing Bill!? Housing?



Yes that is certainly scary... but get used to it...

We have the Patriot Act
We have Homeland security which means they can kick in your door anytime they want

We have this....


Pentagon: The internet needs to be dealt with as if it were an enemy "weapons system".

The Pentagon's Information Operations Roadmap is blunt about the fact that an internet, with the potential for free speech, is in direct opposition to their goals. The internet needs to be dealt with as if it were an enemy "weapons system".


globalresearch.ca...

Information Operations Roadmap - DoD PDF

We have this...


Internet Presents Web of Security Issues

Internet Presents Web of Security Issues
By Paul Stone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Sept. 25, 1998 – In a briefing room deep in the Pentagon earlier this year, Air Force Lt. Col. Buzz Walsh and Maj. Brad Ashley presented a series of briefings to top DoD leaders that raised more than just a few eyebrows.

Selected leaders were shown how it was possible to obtain their individual social security numbers, unlisted home phone numbers, and a host of other personal information about themselves and their families simply by cruising the Internet.

Walsh and Ashley, members of the Pentagon's Joint Staff, were not playing a joke on the leaders. Nor were they trying to be clever. Rather they were dramatically, and effectively demonstrating the ease of accessing and gathering personal and military data on the information highway information which, in the wrong hands, could translate into a vulnerability.

"You don't need a Ph.D. to do this," Walsh said about the ability to gather the information. "There's no rocket science in this capability. What's amazing is the ease and speed and the minimal know-how needed. The tools (of the Net) are designed for you to do this."

The concern over personal information on key DoD leaders began with a simple inquiry from one particular flag officer who said he was receiving a large number of unsolicited calls at home. In addition to having the general's unlisted number, the callers knew specifically who he was.

Beginning with that one inquiry, the Joint Staff set out to discover just how easy it is to collect data not only on military personnel, but the military in general. They used personal computers at home, used no privileged information not even a DoD phone book and did not use any on-line services that perform investigative searches for a fee.

In less than five minutes on the Net Ashley, starting with only the general's name, was able to extract his complete address, unlisted phone number, and using a map search engine, build a map and driving directions to his house.

Using the same techniques and Internet search engines, they visited various military and military-related Web sites to see how much and the types of data they could gather. What they discovered was too much about too much, and seemingly too little concern about the free flow of information vs. what the public needs to know.


www.defenselink.mil...

We have this...


Eavesdropping 101: What Can The NSA Do?

The recent revelations about illegal eavesdropping on American citizens by the U.S. National Security Agency have raised many questions about just what the agency is doing. Although the facts are just beginning to emerge, information that has come to light about the NSA's activities and capabilities over the years, as well as the recent reporting by the New York Times and others, allows us to discern the outlines of what they are likely doing and how they are doing it.

The NSA is not only the world's largest spy agency (far larger than the CIA, for example), but it possesses the most advanced technology for intercepting communications. We know it has long had the ability to focus powerful surveillance capabilities on particular individuals or communications. But the current scandal has indicated two new and significant elements of the agency's eavesdropping:

1. The NSA has gained direct access to the telecommunications infrastructure through some of America's largest companies
2. The agency appears to be not only targeting individuals, but also using broad "data mining" systems that allow them to intercept and evaluate the communications of millions of people within the United States.



AT&T’s Implementation of NSA Spying on American Citizens PDF

NSA cooperation: OK for e-mail, IM companies?


NSA electronic surveillance program

An electronic surveillance program was implemented by the National Security Agency (NSA) of the United States in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks as part of the broader War on Terrorism. The NSA, a signals intelligence agency, implemented the program to intercept al Qaeda communications overseas where at least one party is not a US person. It was later disclosed that some of the intercepts included communications were "purely domestic" in nature, igniting the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy. [1] The technical details of the program are still classified, and it is unknown how many domestic communications were intercepted.


en.wikipedia.org...

Awesome collection of info here in the references...

Everyone has heard of the CIA, DIA and NSA... and now we have the NGA National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency


SPACE SPOOKS

But do you know just how much of your tax dollars go to SPY ON YOU and everyone else?

We made a collection of intel agencies... not complete yet and if anyone has one we missed let me know


Information Awareness Office (IAO)


Information Gatherers Page 01 - Pegasus Collection


Information Gatherers Page 02 - Pegasus Collection

We have all heard of Pine Gap... but do you all know just how many ECHELON listening posts there are in the world? I do...


In closing I can only add THIS
www.newsday.com...

And if you look at all the source info links I have provides\d... hehehehe you can be sure you will be 'of interest' to someone


Our DoD visitors last words were "You only have the tip of the Cat's tail" Maybe, but the cat feels me tugging and has looked back to take notice

Welcome to the Brave New World Order



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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I haven't read any of the other posts so I really don't know if they can or not, though I assume that they can...

... I can say this though asking that type of question is a sure fired way of attracting attention to yourself.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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I'm amazed that you feel a need to ask that question; the government and others can and do track everything on the internet and phone systems globally, including you.
The ip address on the computer you are using is known, and it is cross-ref'd with previous computers you have been linked to.
If you have used a telephone in the last 20 years or so, then you have been voice-printed, and every call you make can go reliably into your file.
Is your cell phone in your pocket, as you use your top-secret coffee shop computer... too bad!
Yor location is known, and on these premises someone has hooked up the gas and electric cable and phone.
The internet was created for a good reason and it was not so that you could look at porn, or email your grandma. It was created in the knowledge that the sort of people who would work on bio-weapons would reveal themselves by using the net ( everything in your computer can be accessed if you are online). But all corrupt systems will be used by the corrupt and the internet is one giant fishing net now. If you've clicked on the word 'Sighonisht', for example, I suggest that you look at alot of Mormon sites now ( visit Shyon national park's site alot)... in other words- bury it.
And so on.
I prefer to be known, and to die trying so, here goes:
Zionist Scum
Israel Sucks
Sharon is the Antichrist
Genome Terror
Jihad
Bush
Obama
Terror
Pentagon
Child Sacrifice
etc.,etc.,etc.,
Ayway, you are already completely known and have a file that JEHoover could never imagine.
The question is, does anyone care?



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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It's all a matter of what they want to know, and just what "subjects are important enough to to require attention. And RL agents looking over one's vitual shoulder isn't even the half of it.

www.kurzweilai.net.../news/news_single.html?id%3D8911

The success of a free society is in the fact that we really don't care what information they get. I want them to be transparent in their actions, and I have nothing to hide about my own. They have more hardware resources, but we outnumber them, so it's really pretty even. We find their secrets, and they know all about us.

Personally, I just don't care what they know.

Edit to add: For some reason the whole URL to the exact page doesn't show. But in their search function type in "petaflop" or "supercomputer" and you'll find it.

[edit on 22-6-2008 by NGC2736]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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I think people are thinking way to much of themselves when they consider this sort of question. Why would the government care what you post on ATS? If people really knew something they weren't supposed to know, you'd already be dead or bribed.

About the only thing the government would be interested in on ATS is the sheer comedy value of the posts decrying everything to be a government conspiracy.

[edit on 22-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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Ok, first of all let me say how sad I am that some of you don't think I'm interesting enough to be tracked. If you wanted to hurt SDog's feelings, mission accomplished!

Second, I was only asking the question in the OP to find out what specific technologies or programs they would use "should" they choose to try to extract a real name from a specific post.
I said in the OP that I am aware that the mods remove any menacing posts.
Hypothetical: An unsuspecting member sees lights from an unidentifiable craft land near an army base near his house. He posts pics and a description on ATS. For whatever reason the army decides to keep this incident secret. Can they track the poster and how?

[edit on 22-6-2008 by schrodingers dog]



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