Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Hopefully no one takes offense to this, but I've never been one to call a spade a club.
I bet this guy knows exactly what you do call a spade...
Originally posted by stfger
Who cares?
Let people be people, why is everyone always trying to find a genetic reason for every behavior and personality trait.
Who cares what causes people to be gay, just accept people for who they are and stop trying to find a reason.
To those people whom are concerned with gay rights the reason for being gay is of paramount importance.
The justification for flagrant prejudice against homosexuals is that homosexual behavior is a sin. If it is proven that homosexual behavior is not a
choice then we must conclude that the bible is wrong again. After all, God would not create people who's strongest desire would lead them straight
to hell, therefore homosexuality must either be a choice, or God must be an insufferable prick.
I've never understood why religious people cannot just conclude that the bible was written by people, and people are stupid.
It doesn't make the fundamental message any different.
The bottom line is that due to religion there is a societal stigma toward homosexuality. There is a lot of data I could post links to that would back
my position that homosexuality is not a choice. Here are two examples...
www.newscientist.com...
www.madsci.org...
I do like this one though...
Identical twins, as you probably know, share all of their genes. Non-identical, or fraternal twins share half their genes... the same rate as
other brothers and sisters. Finally, adopted kids share no genetic material, but are raised in the same environment from an early age. A common way of
looking for genetic link for any trait is to compare the concordance rate in such pairs of siblings...
Researchers found that the concordance rate for homosexuality is highest among identical twins, lower among fraternal and lowest in adopted siblings.
Such a pattern is evidence for a genetic basis to homosexuality... the closer you are genetically to your sibling, the more likely you both are to be
gay. If you are not genetically related, you are less likley to both be gay, even though you grew up in the same home.
www.madsci.org...
This points to genetics having a HUGE influence. While there may also be hormonal factors, I guarantee that choice doesn't factor into the
equation.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by I_AM_that_I_AM
Gay being a mental disorder was never proven by the APA at all.
In fact, it was a failure to actually prove that it was an actual mental disorder that caused the APA to listen to gay's and change the
classification.
That is just not true.
Ball's in your court papi. Evidence?
Why are you trying to be disingenuous?
That's cute, but, you don't "try" to be disingenuous. You either are, or you are not. It's a state of mind.
–adjective lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere: Her excuse was rather disingenuous.
dictionary.reference.com...
It was proven through scientific means that is was a mental disorder and the only reason they removed it was because of political pressure.
This is fact and has been well documented.
That's some high-falutin' jibber jabber to not be followed by evidence.
I posted a few links, did you read them. Just google and you will find much more.
Your links were opinion pieces with no substance. Also, googling the subject just turns up more opinion pieces.
Look, you're free to not like gays, it's cool dude, that's why this is America. But eventually you'll have to understand that hating gays isn't
like hating hippies, it's more like hating black people.
Still though, you're free to hate blacks too, so, enjoy that.
[edit on 6/23/2008 by Sunsetspawn]
And a background in pysch-anything akin to being a clergy person. i.e. PSUEDOSCIENCE
