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reply posted on 23-8-2008 @ 10:22 AM by Ian McLean
Originally posted by WyrdeOne

Diebold indeed.


True that.

I've noticed that with many conspiracy theories, when you discuss them with people with a high level of expertise in a particular field, say high-energy physics or aeronautics, certain aspects are seen as obviously dismissable. Non-credible to anyone moderately schooled in the subject field. (Not to say not true, of course, just not mainstream acceptable by 'experts').

Scarily, this does not seem to be the case with computerized voting. The more 'expert' the person you talk to, the more it seems likely that they will outright laugh at the concept of creating 'secure' voting machines with the methodologies currently being attempted. In fact, even scarier, they seem more blasé about the idea of considering all electronic devices as practically insecure.

Personally, I feel that if electronic means are used to manipulate election results, on a broad scale, it will not be the benefit of a particular party. It seems more likely to me that manipulation would be used to add 'credibility' to the entire process of two-party elections. Creating a 'close race'. Not only would that bolster the illusion of Rep-vs-Dem 'competition', but analyzing the specifics of such motivation would be quite difficult, from within the assumed context of a 'two party fight'. Eg, why would that election official rig the voting machines? A Democrat won, and they're a Republican! The concept of mutualistic deception is considered an 'out there' conspiracy theory. Everything must be seen within a limited sphere of competition.


reply posted on 16-9-2008 @ 08:44 AM by takaris7
reply to post by jamie83



Get to know the real Obama? Has anyone actually gotten to know the real McCain? The McCain who supports radical racists perhaps? The McCain who voted down MLK holiday perhaps? The McCain who allowed Bush to vote down Civil rights legislation perhaps? The McCain who continually lies to your FACE about Palin's record perhaps? The McCain who has supported Bush on more stupid things then I can even list here perhaps?

have you guys forgotten about Bush? Ya, you have. Of course he was voted into office twice by someone.


reply posted on 16-9-2008 @ 02:59 PM by Anonymous ATS
hello everyone one

I live in New Jersey with my aging dad, and my neighbours and I started getting weird calls today about Obama.

Our neighbor across the street was talking about it after I cut the grass this mroning, and mentioned two others down the street were talking about it too so I dcided to keep a notepad and pen by the phone just in case they called me. I'm not jewsih, but everyone else getting calls has jewish names and ours sounds like it would be jewish.

thirty minutes ago, I got the call

The identified themselves as something that sounded like Unified News Polling Group, and said they were doing polls for all the major news networks. They started asking if I was going to vote and how long I lived here. They asked a couple questions about how I thought about Obama and McCain, basic stuff. I said I was still undecided. Then they asked if I attend church regularly, and I said I observe sabbath. From my quick notes and memory, these are then the questions I was asked about Obama, all where about Obama, no more about McCain.

Would it change your mind about Obama to learn he is calling for a summit of Muslim nations when he is elected president and is excluding Israel?

Would it change your mind about Obama if you learned he had a long relationship with a Palestinian activist group in Chicago?

Would it change your mind if you knew that Obama was on the board of a charity that funneled money to Palestinian terrorists?

Would it change your mind about Obama if you knew that leader of Hamas, a terrorist group, has endorsed senator Obama's campaign?

Would it change your mind if you knew that Obama's church is anti-american and supports muslim terrorists?

Would it matter to you if Barack Hussein Obama (they did say it that way) was our first muslim president?

They thanked my for my participation, and said my answers would be part of the latest poll data given to the news networks, and that I might be called again in 30 days.

Is this really the McCain campaign doing this or someone else?


reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 12:43 PM by argentus
www.barackobama.com... - Senator Obama's Economic Plan

www.johnmccain.com... - Senator McCain's Economic Plan.

www.ronpaul.com... - Congressman Ron Paul's Economic Plan.

To pull excerpts from either would be to put my own spin on it, as I could easily select factual quotes from either that, properly arranged, would infer something different from what the candidates actually say. This is a tactic employed by MSM, by individuals, by the candidates and their supporters. I won't resort to it, but the temptation is great.

Read. Decide who, if any, you believe. Then, tackle the other issues yourself, apart from the novelty of feeling part of a concensus. This is my suggestion for everyone who enjoys the priviledge of casting a vote in the Presidential election of the United States of America.
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