Agent's 'kinda wild' U.K sit-x/survival...on a budget thread.

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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:34 PM
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Excelleant thread. I'm strting to gather survival resources and this is what I was looking for.

I have one question.

Which is better? boiling or W/P...

If I boil then all I will need is a pot and a heat source. If I use W/P then ill need to spend around $41 for every month that I plan to..erhm.. survive.

I'm kinda stuck on this one.




posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Dan Tanna
You sir are a freaking nutter!


thanks for the compliment



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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Well post apocalypse/sit x I'll be building cannons out of tree trunks,looking for sulphur and charcoal...and of course a few diamonds scattered about the place..

Ahh.. James T Kirk.. He was the original A-team..all of them rolled into one



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Webtex hand powered chainsaw..
www.surplusandoutdoors.com...

Advantages in smaller packing over the plastic handles..but I dunno about leverage and wear and tear on the straps..

It looks as though you could get some cordage through the 'strap slots' if they did break..
Gut feeling says DAN TANNA's is better.. anyone elses thought?



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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I'd say Dan Tanna's is the one to get it looks so much more..."industrial strength" than the others I looked at.

Also that site is excellent for buying stuff...I order my IPK and some other supplies from there and they arrived in 24 hours no problem...still waiting on my sling strap though they didnt have it in stock


Shut up fool!
BA was ace compared to kirk! the only thing kirk had going for him was that tight shirt...he got all the ladies in it haha!

[edit on 21-6-2008 by fred3110]



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:11 PM
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I'd go for the boiling method for long term..You will run out of tablets eventually..
As long as you have a solid knife,you won't go thirsty..How??

Knife chops wood,carves pots,makes firetools, makes fire,boils yukky water to make yummy water.

Of course it's easier with a cup,a kettle and a box of matches..But all is not lost if you have neither.

The likes of the water purifier bottle are really for fallbacks or storing if you have to move or take from dodgy looking supplies in a hurry.

Once you're set up in a camping area,you should be near a water supply and have a fire running most of the time for heat,light,cooking food and general sense of well-being anyway.



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T
DON'T be shy on getting a large one too..A big knife will do everything a small one can..and a lot more.
Don't get one with protruding rivets in the handle..they hurt..a lot..

'IF' I had already bought one.. I would have made sure it was something like this..
knife

Sorry to say the Yankie Seals Beat the S.A.S in this department ..yaboooo...

It has a finer tip for filleting/skinning,decent balanced weight for chopping.. and staggered serrations for carving your woggle or whatever..


Got to disagree on your choice of knife for a few reasons. Firstly the handle has those nobbly fits that are meant to fit your fingers. Whist this sounds like a good idea i've often found with extended use it actually causes blisters and sores. Also if you hold the knife a different way, say to draw towards you on something (and yes somtimes that is necessary) then they get in the way.

The serrations are pointless, honestly i can't think of a time when serrations like that have been needed whislt out and about camping. If you need to cut something a saw is needed, or an axe, not a small serrated part of a blade.

Just my views.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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i actually did this once when i was younger, though not to the extreme.
i new a guy who owned some undeveloped land and i lived on it in a 6 person tent by my self. i actually had a job and a vehicle.

every morning i would get up and shower in a camp shower bag and do the normal hygiene thing. after which i would go to get some breakfast at
whatever early morning place i could go. i usually kept my groceries either in my tent ina corner or in the trunk of my car. nonperishable.
washed my clothes in the pond that had a creek connected to it... shhhhhhhhh thats bad for the enviroment..but you know it was just me. wow i felt rich, after about a year of that and one really really cold winter, yeah i had to get real. but i would have no problems doing it again, and it was partly in doing that that my 7 years i spent in a 3rd world country was fairly easy to adapt to as i had already done many of the daily tasks required before.
one luxury however,... jungles dont have cold winters thank the lord!



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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You also need to bone up on some survival skills as well as choosing the right equipment: I was a Boy Scout a long time ago...So long that I've let what I've learned go rusty. So pick up some books about natural foodstuffs ("I don't think that was a blackberry bush!"
), hunting & trapping techniques (Damn! I saw a 12-point buck but I couldn't run fast enough to catch the damn thing!)...That sort of stuff.

Also a few other skills will come in handy too, such as primitive leather tanning (You're clothes will eventually wear out & be useless for anything but rags).

Be sure to study your books thoroughly, because you wouldn't want to be lugging that extra weight with the rest of your gear! (Ugh! Hernia!
)

As climate was mentioned earlier, if you happen to be starting in a temperate (or colder) area, be prepared for a long hike...Follow the south-bound birds!

[edit on 22-6-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
knife
Got to disagree on your choice of knife for a few reasons. Firstly the handle has those nobbly fits.

Also if you hold the knife a different way, say to draw towards you on something (and yes somtimes that is necessary) then they get in the way.

The serrations are pointless,


VERY valid points
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Choosing a knife is like choosing your underpants..very personal.

The finger grooves are VERY slight.
No where near enough to be a burden and when drawing toward you the pressure is against the inside of your fingers anyway.You don't feel them against the heel of your thumb.

I find the serrations useful.
When you have delicate work,it's much safer using the point of a serration than the point of the knife as it IS a large blade.
( nice pun on 'pointless' too..they are blummin sharp.
)

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reply to post by snowen20
 


You are a perfect example of what people should try..It takes the fear out of getting used to life without all the home luxuries..
Just the smallest of trips on non-commercialised camping parks will get you in a routine..
Washing in fresh running water feels so natural.

(I would try not to use soap/detergent though.

Just rubbing the skin by hand is enough to clear the dead layer.)
Fish blowing soap bubbles is just plain wrong,and makes them taste funny..


We have very modest winters here I admit, but I prefer the cold to the heat.. You can build fires/add layers/take shelter to kill the cold..but when your hot..once to strip down to nothing,you're kinda stuck to cool off without LOTS of water..AND when it's humid too..ouch..
The M.E had it all dry heat,wet heat,freezing at night..even the sea doesn't cool you off as it's like a hot bath in the gulf.

(Was worth it for the midnight dip with two Samoan belly dancers

Emily was the one that taught me that Stingrays "DO sting yeah"
)

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reply to post by MidnightDStroyer
 


Aaahh books yeah.. The lost art form..
This will come under my 'knowledge' section

Currently I have books on..

wild plants as medicine/food
Food for free.
Shellfish/coastal food
Mushroom I.D
Bushcraft
Animal tracks and trails.
Plant I.D
Butchery
Preserving/curing meat.

and of course the ultimate.. Lofty Wisemans survival guide (in two sizes)

Buying a book is a weird feeling considering the huge amount of info on the net.. but when that's gone..


Little tip.. Remembering all that info is mind boggling.. so buy a concise 'collins gem' style to take with you for each of the essential topics.
they're about £5 each but totally priceless.


Your 'plant use' guide will not necessarily be a good 'field guide' though.
I've yet to find that perfect 'all in one' book for the UK.

WARNING.. Mushrooms are a SCARY topic..
Unless you are 100% positive of what you are picking.DON'T ..
A mistake can be fatal.. then all your camping stuff will be kinda useless.
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Edit to add..
Would a MOD please also verify that this isn't breaking any t&c's ..
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Thinking further on Snowen20's initiative and an opportunity to put into practise some of your skills in a controlled environment..

UK's best natural info resource..
PFAF (Plants For A Future) have some land in Cornwall and they always require volunteers to work the land.
They had to sell the Devon site recently due to financial problems(to a nature reserve)
It's a registered charity so it's not a 'scam' for free labour.
It's a good way to glean some farming/crop rotation/plantation info for free and practise your skills if you are not tied to work etc..
There's not many free things left in this world today.

www.pfaf.org...

There is water on tap, cooking facilities and a compost toilet, but no warm water showers, no electricity and no flush toilet.

You will also need to be self-catering in food. Cooking facilities are available and there is usually salad stuff and fruit available from the land. I also provide basic foodstuffs such as oats, rice, lentils etc. However, if you want anything fancy, you may need to bring it yourself.

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I won't post the contact details as I don't want to look like I'm 'recruiting'

If you want them ..they're on the site/link.


[edit on 22-6-2008 by AGENT_T]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
knife
Got to disagree on your choice of knife for a few reasons. Firstly the handle has those nobbly fits.

Also if you hold the knife a different way, say to draw towards you on something (and yes somtimes that is necessary) then they get in the way.

The serrations are pointless,


VERY valid points
.
Choosing a knife is like choosing your underpants..very personal.

The finger grooves are VERY slight.
No where near enough to be a burden and when drawing toward you the pressure is against the inside of your fingers anyway.You don't feel them against the heel of your thumb.

I find the serrations useful.
When you have delicate work,it's much safer using the point of a serration than the point of the knife as it IS a large blade.
( nice pun on 'pointless' too..they are blummin sharp.
)


Glad you liked the pun


When do small serrations come in handy for you? I've spent a lot of time out in the wilds as it were and i havn't yet found a use for such small serrations. I have used a saw on a multitool (also have a laplander), but not something as small as those.

I'm not sure about them being safer, i have never cut yself with a knife whilst out and about (yet). I think i'm so paranoid about it i always take extra care, last thing you want is a deep cut when you're out alone in the middle of nowhere.

[edit on 22-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Sharpening wooden arrow tips,prising clams,sharpen pencils.Opening nuts.filing grooves in wood,gripping bark,small sawing jobs,extracting splinters.Roughing wood surfaces for gluing..
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(the shavings are great size for tinder off these groves)
Rubbing knife flatways across almost any wood works great.
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Basically anything you would do with the tip of the knife but with the advantage of having your hand closer to the lever point and less chance of slipping.

The S.O.G is a pointer blighter and I wouldn't like it to slip during a delicate job.. Oweee..


You can do less damage to yourself with the serration if your hand slips.They dig in the skin and grip it.. I've had slips along the full length of a flat blade before..
Then you get to use your survival medical kit.. hehe


[edit on 22-6-2008 by AGENT_T]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
 

You can do less damage to yourself with the serration if your hand slips.They dig in the skin and grip it.. I've had slips along the full length of a flat blade before..
Then you get to use your survival medical kit.. hehe


Well i guess it means you get some practice in cleaning a wound, bandaging and generally yelling like a madman right? I've never cut myself out in the wild, but i have at home buried a scalpel full into the pad of my thumb down to the bone, yeah that was a fun day


I see what you mean abut being useful however i've always just used my knife, also you shouldn't use the tip of the knife for things like sharpening arrow heads. You should use the "heel" or "return" for the really intricate stuff. It compeltely removes the chances of cutting yourself and gives you a far finer shave if we're talking about wood.

[edit on 22-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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Everything u need in this time is within you.Its enlightening to understand ur more then ur body,and u are forever.Give in kindness,if u are murdered by evil men so be it.Its just a faster ticket home,treasure is love,generosity,and man knowing each others and all lifes heart.
Truth is the currency of the divine,and it will free u,no need for tents.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! NO MEAT ????!!!!???



Does that include fish and poultry ?? Please sir... say nay and i shalt perish of malnutrition.


As for knives... I just got a wish list handed to the wife



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
never cut myself out in the wild, but i have at home buried a scalpel full into the pad of my thumb down to the bone, yeah that was a fun day



Whoops..


Before..




After.. Yayyy..
.

No that wasn't a knife slip..from an op in jan..I think the surgeon was drunk..


The hospital was disgusting..
Was hit by a bug and people were dropping like flies..
So when I got home I stripped off the dressing and cleaned it up myself and took the stitches out about a week later..
21 days between those shots..



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicstorm
Oh deary me.....
Ok, we have a tent, but its like an 8-10 man tent,..

and how do you get a clue when you just dont have the time to spend weeks practicing?........

I think the only plan we would have is to just pack up the car and find somewhere remote.....

AGENT-T.......absolutely great thread, and please post some pics of you in action!!!


OK..Are you really Billy Smart?? 10?? wow..
My parents had a 6 man ..two parents four boys lol..THAT was large.

You can get a much smaller one to fit in a backpack..You'll only be sleeping in it.

If you can't practise.. Watch documentaries.read up on the topics.
Knowledge is the biggest tool and most important after will to survive.

Packing up and heading for the hills is fine..Just keep an eye on the news and do it in plenty of time.You should be at your refuge WTSHTF.

Thank's but I said.. NO naughty ones. hehe


Hoping to get a 'meet' this week with my partners in crime.. pics may well be forthcoming if they're not shy..
(So bring the balaclavas boys.


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Originally posted by devareous.
Truth is the currency of the divine,and it will free u,no need for tents.


Ermmm OK.. but I'll still need a place to hang my undies..
Please refrain..valid your point may be but this is a 'Survival' thread..Not a lay down and die one.
I'm not afraid of death but it'll be fun trying to live..



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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What am i preparing for? Planet X, alien invasion, Codex, NWO?

Come on throw me a bone here.

There is so many people claiming the end is near, no one has given proof, now your here, fanning the hysteria.

You don't happen to be from Birmingham do you?



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Teki187
What am i preparing for?.


Whatever you fancy..

Read the everyday news and see if anything pops into your mind.
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OBTW could you point out the 'hysteria' in the thread?

It could get hysterical when I test out my new boomerang..
Just in case of zombie kangaroo invasion.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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OK, so now we have our knives, but not only are they good for making pointed sticks but they can also be used for protection from wild beasts. OK, perhaps not wilder beasts but how do you know that you are in danger in the first place.
I must take the credit for this article.

Follow my link for expert tuition in animal behaviour.

www.outdooridiots.com...

If you want a few tips on looking after your knife then Don't follow this link.
www.outdooridiots.com...

Of course you will need a shelter when living outdoors. perhaps this article will convince you buy a tent instead of trying to be like Ray Mears.
www.outdooridiots.com...

Hope these articles help.

[edit on 22-6-2008 by jon1]





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