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Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
reply to post by pepsi78
No, No, No... Wrong, Wrong, Wrong... Nice perversion of the truth tho!
If people are concerned about different philosophies within Buddhism such as; Anatta (No Self), Samsara (cycle of rebirth), Nirvana (ultimate peace and end of samsara), Karma (law of cause and effect), Emptiness, Meditation... then we can discuss that, but do not stand on the outside looking in and throw dirt into this house because you do not like what you see. Even for those who 'say' they have studied Buddhism, pick a topic and let's discuss. No more derailing the issue at hand by propagating your own belief systems or by recklessly characterizing what Buddhism is and means, when you obviously are struggling to grasp certain concepts about its intentions.
The assumption that Buddhism propagates suicide makes no sense. In fact, if we were to do a statistical analysis of the rate of suicide in Buddhism versus the three Abrahamic religions, Buddhism would trail behind so far that one might say they don't even register on the pie chart.
Buddhism deals with the problem of suffering directly, with no need of believing in a "higher power" or "God" to help you in doing so. It is reliant on your own power and will to transcend such a state. Buddhism merely points you in the right direction to figure out on your own how to do that. Once that is achieved, suicide is null and void as you have found true blissfulness and peace while your here on earth.
And that does give rise to morality! For the simple fact that we know all immoral things derive out of suffering, therefore once suffering is non-existent then immorality is also non-existent, meaning all that is left is morality. Very simple.
"The other Jews call me a heretic. Well, I am. And worse, an iconoclast too: my goal is nothing less than the breaking of all religious containers (and not just Judaism) for the sake of liberating God. In the words of my 18th century namesake and predecessor, Yakov Leib Frank, 'All the faiths and conducts and the books that have been written till today -- everyone who reads in them is like someone who has turned his head backwards and is looking at things already dead. All of it comes from the Gate of Death. But the wise man's eyes are ever in his head so he must look towards He-Who-Walks-In-Front.' Like Frank and the other radical antinomian Kabbalists who came before him, I worship God and not religion; I seek for His salvation and not my own.....or, even less-so, yours."
Why do you always make such simple things so complicated?
. And transcending that suffering is not ignoring it, or avoiding it as you stated.
Without addressing it as a reality, accepting it as real and facing it head on, it cannot be transcended.
Avoiding, ignoring, or suppressing suffering is not what Buddhists teach, or what Jung was speaking of.
And again, until you transcend your suffering you are of no use to anyone else, so you must focus on yourself to be able to truly help others. Sometimes doing nothing is better then doing something, especially if you are not an enlightened person. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
How can you be sure you are not causing more damage to them, unknowingly, if you have yet to realize your own condition? And if you have realized your own condition then you will not be focused on helping others, but instead you will be focused on helping yourself because you know without doing that you are of no use to them anyway. Simple, isn't it?
Originally posted by BillfromCovina
DontReally, you have tried to create a new version of Judaism ignoring all the bad parts. Judaism does not teach unity but separation. Judaism is about satisfying your wants and creating a religion around it. There is no morality inherent in it, that is why there are so many laws. I am glad you have learned something from your studies of eastern philosophy and that is non-duality and unity. You have tried to hijack this idea and apply it to Judaism. In Buddhism, the reason you don't kill is because of the connection of all living things. You will have empathy for them because of this understanding.
Jesus said, "The kingdom of god is within you"
Buddha said, “He who meditates attentively will attain abundant joy.”
Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by pepsi78
Who is going to indoctrinate you, yourself?
Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by dontreally
Ok we have established our terms of reference with me as a gnostic. I will not label for you as you can better do it for yourself should you need to. The key point however and the OP relates to Buddhism. In both cases Buddhism does have some significant overlaps with QBL. The point being is that both seek to practice life a contemplative life. What has happened is that Buddhism has given very simply teachings that will change the psychology of the practioner. The Buddhist exploration is the root causes of suffering is the key teaching and for Americans who have been programmed for rampant consumerism.
The extreme hostility of the OP is something that really reflects the puritanism that exists in the US.