Buddhist Conspiracy For World Perversion

reply to post by narin

You have been an eloquent defender of mindfulness. I suspect many of those attacking Buddhism are guilty of exactly the things they have accused Buddhists. Many people in the west owe their livelihoods or status to others falling into the pit of desire and craving. The idea of people disconnecting from an artificial reality without so much as asking permission is a threat.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by eradown]

reply to post by Yosimitie Sam


Maybe our takeover of western consumerism is for the better of our ailing planet.

Strange how Rileytardell's writing style has asian influence, in particular Chinese. I know because I am a Chinese living outside China. Much stanger is this tread is started about the same time when the Olympic Torch is passing Tibet.

I think it's pointless to engage in discussion with him, he is just incapable of reasoning. We should ignore him and discuss amongst ourselves why Rileytardell is doing this. To falsely link Buddhism to child rape is irresponsible, vile and sinful. Don't anyone agree he has an sinister agenda? That's the real conspiracy.

I have yet to see substantiating evidence as to the OP's claims. Moderators: please ask him to provide such evidence as to his extreme claims; or please close this thread. The OP has habitually posted items which bring little context or bearing on his claims. I would like to think that hate mongering is not allowed on a site for rational and critical thinking. Reason I sate this is because his statements are highly defamatory in substance. I do not mind a claim, but one without evidence which is hateful, should not be allowed.

- Maban

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Maban]

Funny how it anonymous posters accusing me of being Chinese. Why are you hiding?

And Narin the Buddhist agent just directly admited the conspiracy. He wants to overthrow capitalism for Buddhist sufferuing.

Can you say NOT going to let that happen!!~!!!!


STOP THE BWO

reply to post by rileytardell


Well, honestly, I was curious about that, too, but didn't want to ask such a personal question. I assumed you were from the East where Buddhism was dominant, which resulted in you seeing its influences first hand. I figured you lived over there (or did at one time) and had some negative history that had an impact on your current view.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Strange how Rileytardell's writing style has asian influence, in particular Chinese. I know because I am a Chinese living outside China. Much stanger is this tread is started about the same time when the Olympic Torch is passing Tibet.

I think it's pointless to engage in discussion with him, he is just incapable of reasoning. We should ignore him and discuss amongst ourselves why Rileytardell is doing this. To falsely link Buddhism to child rape is irresponsible, vile and sinful. Don't anyone agree he has an sinister agenda? That's the real conspiracy.

I'm a westerner who spend the last years reading the tripitaka. I think it's a wonderful read, has given me a lot to think about and I think I'm better off than how I would have been if I hadn't read it. But I've also got criticism on buddhism and don't agree with many of modern day buddhist practice. Although Tibetan buddhism looks good, I've never really delved into it mainly because there is so much emphasis on practicing under the guidance of a guru/lama which doesn't appeal to me.

But why only Tibetan and Thai buddhism? Why not for example the same attacks on other popular buddhist teacher like for example Thich Nhat Hanh? Or of Thai teachers like Ajahn Chah. Is it because they have no possible bad connections like the Dalai Lama or is it because Chinese anti-Tibet propaganda is mostly aimed at the Dalai Lama.

I agree Rileytardell does not offer very convincing in-depth criticism of buddhism, instead just a lot of shouting and pointing at some bad points without further information. For example one of the vids highlighted Aum Shinri Kyo's cult leader holding hands with the Dalai Lama (which also appears here, coincidentally: il.china-embassy.org...). But I guess he wants to be known as a Christian, doesn't matter much to me.
As I've read in paper once (can't find it on the internet again) if memory serves correct this encounter was before the cult became controversial in Japan. There is just one point though, if the Dalai Lama has such wisdom as attributed, surely he would have spotted they Aum shinri kyo leader was bad at the core, even though he had not yet commited the crimes when they met, how could he be so easily fooled?

I stopped watching after the vid suggested the Dalai Lama isn't celibate, then showing the sad story of a completely different Tibetan who had sex. When I saw the vid suggesting the Dalai Lama suggested Viagra as an answer to prostitution, I thought it's best to stop wasting my time by trying to listen to Rileyturdell. So much for dialogue.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Dragonfly79]

THIS IS WHY



Yeah you think they are celibate what a JOKE look into the Buddhist practice of Yab Yum

Riley, your rants are incredible. Name one religion / ideology that hasn't tried to become universal.

Doesn't Christianity want all of us to be Christian?
Doesn't Islam want all of us to be Muslim?
Doesn't Capitialism strive to wipe out all other economic models?
Aren't wars being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan to install Democracy (along with other more nefarious reasons).

I imagine Buddhist would like all people to follow Buddhism as well. Is this evil? Hardly.

Also, your arguement has another flaw - you associate all Buddhists with the unfortunate events in one country. You can say that all morons are human, but it doesn't automatically make all humans morons.

Originally posted by narin
As I said before, read up on The Age of Aquarius and how important spirituality will be in the lives of humans.

Actually there's no age of aquarius in buddhism. It's from modern astrology amongst other things, meaning given to the stars existed in many religions for thousands of years. I personally think the Aquarius theory is because of feminism, inspiring and empowering mostly women afterall the concept of it promises a better position for women.

In Buddhism we're in a period of time where the teaching of a Buddha (being Gautama) is still in the world but it's meaning misunderstood. Soon people will be no longer able to attain any realizations at all and there will be a lot of corruption (everywhere). Then there's going to be a great war because of all the unhappiness and after that the survivers will make things better again after ages of suffering.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Dragonfly79]

reply to post by cannonfodder


One country Hardly!!! Try reading the thread before making ignorant statements.

Forced Buddhism at gunpoint in Sri Lanka. Conversions to other religions outlawed.

Forced Buddhism in parts of India. Conversions to other religions outlawed. Dali Lama now faces human rights charges in India.

Sex slavery In Thailand under the noses of Buddhist monks who not only do nothing to stop it. They participate in it.

Buddhist teachers in the USA are sexually engaging their students- I have presented a page with many many testimonies of western molestaions. Yab Yum baby

Hardly isolated...

Oppressive Buddhist Singhala SRI LANKAN STATE





[edit on 25-6-2008 by rileytardell]

Originally posted by rileytardell


THIS IS WHY

Yeah you think they are celibate what a JOKE look into the Buddhist practice of Yab Yum

This didn't show any evidence of buddhism causing prostitution.. only shots of missionaries reading from bibles and preaching, bible quote graphics, some sad looking kids and a couple of shots of statues..


[edit on 25-6-2008 by riley]

Originally posted by rileytardell
reply to post by riley

 

Nice try at Buddhist disinformation riley. It's an old symbol.

Where EXACTLY did I provide disinformation? The information I provided was objective, factual and definently NOT from a buddhist source.

Some of what you say is true - just enough to try to deflect -

Okay then.. here is my entire post again. Please show what wasn't true and where I tried to deflect the issue. You did not counter ANY of the points.. you just ignored it and brushed it off as buddhist disinformation. I gave conclusive proof that the germanic swastika [the hakenkreuz] came from gemanic culture.. not buddhist culture.

My entire post again since clearly you did not read it the first time:

[SNIP]

Now maybe you can actually respond to my post this time rather than dismissing it as disinformation. Seems like you only did that because the facts conflicted with your own biggotry.

but its historical fact the Nazis modeled themselves on TIBET.

No it isn't and you STILL have not proven it was. You call this vid you posted proof then?

Occult History Of The 3rd Reich : The Swastika

The Tibet connection is well established.

I watched the whole thing. It mentioned the germanic occult, germanic gods and ancient lost germanic priesthoods, mentions 'seven lost tribes' [which sounds like there could be judeo/christian gnostic connection], it mentions vallhala but

NO-WHERE does it even mention Tibet or buddhism

.. even though YOU posted it as evidence of such a connection. Where is this proof then? You can't just randomly post youtube vids hoping they'll back up your claims.
Since you were so keen to mention the T&C to me.. here is one which you continue to violate repetively. You kept saying 'deny ignorance' .. well that also includes not spreading it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by riley]

Removed excessive quoting.
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[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]

riley,riley riley....dude...

are you a debunking shill of a non-patriot who would slander any truth
that comes your way.....???? huh? huh?
but i still love ya......really i do...

I`m a ....um....hippie liberal tin foil hat wearing lunatic conspiracy guy..
and I have taken the non-F.D.A approved RED PILL.

so now I basically only feel love....

but you should really calm down and learn to love a little yourself..

hate and fear is what drives us lately... its time to stop.....

just try loving...
..AHHHHHH come on ..you know you wanna....I know you do too..
War is wrong and hating others is wrong.

if we would all just work together ,all this would be very simple to work out..

The buddhist ideal is to giveup concern for yourself and live a life of humble service to others. With a notion that in this way you will be graced with a life of abundance.

Yes this is a definate threat to the American way of life.

My personal experience of California Buddhists was overall a positive one.
I did meet with a couple who were practicing spiritual vampirism. I hope this was not a sanctioned practice.

Perhaps they thought that tampering with the spirit of another uninvited was OK if it was well intentioned. But I don't think so. It almost killed one of them who had a heart condition, when their energy dissipated itself exploding a drinking glass. You should not take the intentioned energy of another uninvited.

If they are a threat it is not a social/political one. They are either genuinely spiritual, or genuinely spiritually parasitic. I do not know, but I gave them the opportunity to explain, and no discussion was forthcoming.

They have very real, very powerful practices, which they are unwilling to discuss, even with those who are not unaware.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Cyberbian]

reply to post by rileytardell


well of course Buddhists aren't celibate - how else would you get more Buddhists? It's not a philosophy or religion that requires celibacy - but balance and compassion

but - that's what all the major world religions teach - or mean to teach

if you want to make the argument that the monks are hypocritical for having sex - well - they are also human - name your faith - that's just the way it is

but it's not an absolute

so, about compassion...

my mind has changed direction on this one - in one way

you've stuck this out for few days now - and stood your ground

almost without any backup - so - something is going on here besides just what it looks like

I'm guessing this is personal for you - not political

it's much harder to be objective when you've been put through the mill

and harder to be philosophical when you're wounded

I can't know you - or what your motives are for sure

but your anger is for real - that's all I need to know for now

reply to post by riley


Your post about the swastika was irrelvant to the topic riley. I know its an old symbol used by many. So what? Hitler modeled his Government on Tibetian theocracy.

NO-WHERE does it even mention Tibet or buddhism

Up to your dishonesty again I see riley? At :28 seconds into the Swastika video (above) you claimed you watched it talks about Tibet and the connection. Ooops OWNED. Yes it was German Occultists who pickedf the symbol. The thing that goes over your head poor riley is is not the symbol that is important. Hitler modeled his government on ther Tibetan Theocracy of the Dali Lama --its a historical fact.

Now watch this about the Nazis in Tibet in the 1930s and hang your head.

National Geographic Video:

Himmler's fascination with the occult led him to send envoys to Dalai's court in the 30s. The Nazi swastika was adopted from Tibetan Buddhism. Heinrich Harrer, the tutor of the current Dalai Lama of 7 years in Tibet fame, was a SS-Nazi. The SS was modeled on the Tibetan horsemen and the ruling Nazi elites were based on the cruel Tibetan aristocrats, who fled with the Dalai Lama to India after the 1959 rebellion. Many of these exiles and their descendants live in Dharamsala and the West and they form the back bone of the Free Tibet movement.
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 25-6-2008 by rileytardell]

Originally posted by rileytardell

reply to post by riley

 

Your post about the swastika was irrelvant to the topic riley. I know its an old symbol used by many. So what?

YOU are the one who keeps insisting that the symbol proved a nazi/buddhist connection.

Hitler modeled his Government on Tibetian theocracy.

This you are yet to prove.

NO-WHERE does it even mention Tibet or buddhism

Up to your dishonesty again I see riley? At :28 seconds into the Swastika video (above) you claimed you watched it talks about Tibet and the connection. Ooops OWNED.

I have not been dishonest. I was specifically looking for something that proved that germany modelled nazism on tibeten culture.. you assured me it did but it said no such thing. Sharing a symbol is not proof.

Besides which the buddhist main ethic is to NOT cause suffering.. the nazis obviously did NOT follow this ethic.

Yes it was German Occultists who pickedf the symbol. The thing that goes over your head poor riley is is not the symbol that is important.

yet you are the one who kept saying it was proof..

Hitler modeled his government on ther Tibetan Theocracy of the Dali Lama --its a historical fact.

Now watch this about the Nazis in Tibet in the 1930s and hang your head.

National Geographic Video:

The video even says they showed interest in tibet because they shared a similar symbol.. it does not say they adopted it from tibeten culture as it was already in the culture.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by riley]

edited to fix code.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by riley]

Co conspirators Nazi SS officer Heinrich Harrer with the Dali Lama today. They had a relationship since WW2.

reply to post by riley

NO-WHERE does it even mention Tibet or buddhism

That was a direct lie. At 28 secs in it mentioned Tibet. [SNIP]

Mod Edit: Civility and Decorum are Required

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gemwolf]